Kaine vs. Pence: A draw?

[Bugsy McGurk]

Neither one scored a knockout blow, that's for sure. It was kind of boring actually - I bet many people tuned out well before it was over.

Kaine was too strident - he interrupted a lot and his likable personality didn't come through. He did bash the daylights out of Trump, so he met his goal in that regard. Pence, needless to say, lied his ass off, especially when denying that Trump said things Trump clearly did say. Trump is indefensible - the only way to cope with it is to lie, dodge, and dissemble. Pence is skilled at that, as are most wingers. Pence's sanctimonious, smarmy persona is off-putting to most people.

The format was loosey-goosey, and the moderator was disengaged, leading to the unstructured nature of the debate, including the many interruptions by both candidates.

Pretty much a snoozer that helps neither prez candidates much.

Agreed?

 

[PhilFish]

Neither one scored a knockout blow, that's for sure. It was kind of boring actually - I bet many people tuned out well before it was over.

Kaine was too strident - he interrupted a lot and his likable personality didn't come through. He did bash the daylights out of Trump, so he met his goal in that regard. Pence, needless to say, lied his ass off, especially when denying that Trump said things Trump clearly did say. Trump is indefensible - the only way to cope with it is to lie, dodge, and dissemble. Pence is skilled at that, as are most wingers. Pence's sanctimonious, smarmy persona is off-putting to most people.

The format was loosey-goosey, and the moderator was disengaged, leading to the unstructured nature of the debate, including the many interruptions by both candidates.

Pretty much a snoozer that helps neither prez candidates much.

Agreed?

more or less. though pence clearly kept it together better (i.e it was Kaine, like some hopped up Woody Allen..interrupting all the time..)

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

more or less. though pence clearly kept it together better (i.e it was Kaine, like some hopped up Woody Allen..interrupting all the time..)

Kaine did interrupt more than Pence, but they both did their share. Much of it was the fault of the format and the moderator - she was far too laid back. She shudda told them both to shut their yaps when they tried to interrupt.

Pence was Pence - his usual smarmy personality came through. Kaine was more hopped up than he should have been. He's actually quite chilled out and likable, and that did not come through tonight.

All in all, quite the snoozer, methinks.

 

[Jen]

Neither one scored a knockout blow, that's for sure. It was kind of boring actually - I bet many people tuned out well before it was over.

Kaine was too strident - he interrupted a lot and his likable personality didn't come through. He did bash the daylights out of Trump, so he met his goal in that regard. Pence, needless to say, lied his ass off, especially when denying that Trump said things Trump clearly did say. Trump is indefensible - the only way to cope with it is to lie, dodge, and dissemble. Pence is skilled at that, as are most wingers. Pence's sanctimonious, smarmy persona is off-putting to most people.

The format was loosey-goosey, and the moderator was disengaged, leading to the unstructured nature of the debate, including the many interruptions by both candidates.

Pretty much a snoozer that helps neither prez candidates much.

Agreed?

Pence won.
Kaine came across as a man with a thousand canned speeches some of which were relevant, some not so much.

 

[Charcat]

Pence won.
Kaine came across as a man with a thousand canned speeches some of which were relevant, some not so much.

At least Pence came across as much more likable. I think we saw a side of Kaine that they didn't want the public to see.

 

[Jen]

At least Pence came across as much more likable. I think we saw a side of Kaine that they didn't want the public to see.

Yep.
We did see that.

 

[Drumcollie]

Neither one scored a knockout blow, that's for sure. It was kind of boring actually - I bet many people tuned out well before it was over.

Kaine was too strident - he interrupted a lot and his likable personality didn't come through. He did bash the daylights out of Trump, so he met his goal in that regard. Pence, needless to say, lied his ass off, especially when denying that Trump said things Trump clearly did say. Trump is indefensible - the only way to cope with it is to lie, dodge, and dissemble. Pence is skilled at that, as are most wingers. Pence's sanctimonious, smarmy persona is off-putting to most people.

The format was loosey-goosey, and the moderator was disengaged, leading to the unstructured nature of the debate, including the many interruptions by both candidates.

Pretty much a snoozer that helps neither prez candidates much.

Agreed?

Not agreed



vs



There was a clear winner.

 

[Drumcollie]

No buddy you got rejected.

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

When a lefty calls it a draw it means Pence won.

 

[PhilFish]

Kaine did interrupt more than Pence, but they both did their share. Much of it was the fault of the format and the moderator - she was far too laid back. She shudda told them both to shut their yaps when they tried to interrupt.

Pence was Pence - his usual smarmy personality came through. Kaine was more hopped up than he should have been. He's actually quite chilled out and likable, and that did not come through tonight.

All in all, quite the snoozer, methinks.

none the less.. Pence stood out for his demeanor, and quite frankly dismissive approach to Kaines incessant chirping..

 

[as seen on tv]

 

[Drumcollie]

"Feel The Lukewarm"...how funny!

 

[Sickofleft]

I think Pence clearly won this debate, I think it's as clear as Hillary winning the first debate between her and Donald.

Kaine was simply awful, even with the good points he made he just came across as a sneering impatient child. Also his repeated assertions that the Iran Nuclear deal has prevented Iran from doing anything is [Unwelcome language removed] ridiculous.

 

[PhilFish]

I think Pence clearly won this debate, I think it's as clear as Hillary winning the first debate between her and Donald.

Kaine was simply awful, even with the good points he made he just came across as a sneering impatient child. Also his repeated assertions that the Iran Nuclear deal has prevented Iran from doing anything is [Unwelcome language removed] ridiculous.

i think the intention was to appear tough.. instead, it would appear Pence pulled a rope a dope...and left Kaine looking a bit boorish and petulant...

 

[Sickofleft]

i think the intention was to appear tough.. instead, it would appear Pence pulled a rope a dope...and left Kaine looking a bit boorish and petulant...

Absolutely, unlike his running mate Pence was not dumb enough to take the bait and kept bringing the conversation back to the last eight years.

As I said in another thread, all Clinton has to run on is "I am not Trump", it may be enough to win the election but it's not the least bit inspiring.

 

[reason10]

Neither one scored a knockout blow, that's for sure. It was kind of boring actually - I bet many people tuned out well before it was over.

Kaine was too strident - he interrupted a lot and his likable personality didn't come through. He did bash the daylights out of Trump, so he met his goal in that regard. Pence, needless to say, lied his ass off, especially when denying that Trump said things Trump clearly did say. Trump is indefensible - the only way to cope with it is to lie, dodge, and dissemble. Pence is skilled at that, as are most wingers. Pence's sanctimonious, smarmy persona is off-putting to most people.

The format was loosey-goosey, and the moderator was disengaged, leading to the unstructured nature of the debate, including the many interruptions by both candidates.

Pretty much a snoozer that helps neither prez candidates much.

Agreed?

Pence kicked his ass two ways. First, he put the "campaign of insults" lie BACK on the Clinton campaign where it belongs. Second, he pivoted the issues back to Clinton, where they should be.
We're in the worst economy in history and Trump's fingerprints aren't anywhere near this.

Kaine helped a lot by acting like a [Unwelcome language removed] ignorant [Unwelcome language removed].

The debate adds polling points to the Trump campaign.

Now all he needs to do is continue to put the TRUTH about the Clinton Crime Family out there and it'll be all over for that bitch.

 

[Arkady]

Neither one scored a knockout blow, that's for sure. It was kind of boring actually - I bet many people tuned out well before it was over.

Kaine was too strident - he interrupted a lot and his likable personality didn't come through. He did bash the daylights out of Trump, so he met his goal in that regard. Pence, needless to say, lied his ass off, especially when denying that Trump said things Trump clearly did say. Trump is indefensible - the only way to cope with it is to lie, dodge, and dissemble. Pence is skilled at that, as are most wingers. Pence's sanctimonious, smarmy persona is off-putting to most people.

The format was loosey-goosey, and the moderator was disengaged, leading to the unstructured nature of the debate, including the many interruptions by both candidates.

Pretty much a snoozer that helps neither prez candidates much.

Agreed?

CNN's post-debate poll scored it 48 to 42 for Pence, which is just beyond the sampling error of 4.5, so it appears to have been a Pence win, from the perspective of the viewing public. However, with ratings low even by VP-debate standards, it presumably will make no difference. For a VP debate to matter, you'd need a big blowout or a really highly rated event (e.g, Biden/Palin).

 

[reason10]

CNN's post-debate poll scored it 48 to 42 for Pence, which is just beyond the sampling error of 4.5, so it appears to have been a Pence win, from the perspective of the viewing public. However, with ratings low even by VP-debate standards, it presumably will make no difference. For a VP debate to matter, you'd need a big blowout or a really highly rated event (e.g, Biden/Palin).

The only way this will make the Trump victory even bigger in November is if Pence knocked some sense into Donald's head about turning the debate back on Hillary's record. Pence was very skillful in pivoting the argument back where it's relevant: The Hillary record, the Clinton Foundation Scam, etc.

If THE DONALD can learn from this and use EVERY opportunity to throw the argument BACK at Hillary, he'll win by a landslide.

His tax returns are irrelevant. He has had NOTHING to do with the clusterfuck of the last 8 years. He needs to make people focus on THAT, and all the disasters that have Hillary's fingerprints on them.

 

[Arkady]

This reminds me a bit of 2000. Back then Gore picked Lieberman -- a thoroughly despicable excuse for a human being, and a truly awful public speaker. His reasoning was that Lieberman would help to shore up the conservative Democrats, since he was basically a watered down neoconservative Republican. The results of the debate weren't pretty. Lieberman let Cheney dominate, while leaving no impression for himself other than that he has the world's most annoying voice.

I don't think Kaine's that bad, and his debate performance doesn't appear likely to have hurt the ticket at all. But was one of the most conservative Democrats in the Senate, and Clinton's calculus was like Gore's -- she felt like she had to shore up the center, with the idea that the extremism of Trump would do all the work needed to get the left in line. I don't approve, but it's better than the Lieberman pick, since at least he seems like a decent person, and he helps to win a swing state.

 

[Arkady]

We're in the worst economy in history

In what sense, specifically. Compare, for example, to the economy between 1929 and 1932, or 2007 and 2010. In what way is the current economy worse than those?