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Arkady

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Slate has a nice guide to LED light bulbs, here:

http://www.slate.com/articles/techn..._replace_the_incandescent_with_something.html

I'm a bit of a lighting snob. Even though I knew that fluorescents ultimately cost a lot less than incandescents, and were better for the environment, I had trouble bringing myself to buy them, because I found the bluish light garish, and I could detect the flicker even in a bulb that was working properly. It's the reason I can't stand office lighting. But when white LEDs started coming out at reasonable prices a few years ago, I began converting. They can be turned on and off instantly, they don't flicker, they can be put on a dimmer, and the color is close enough to incandescents that you'd need to be pickier than me to mind the difference.

The benefits of the changeover are terrific, even if you disregard the environmental and geopolitical advantages of using a lot less energy. For starters, it saves you money. Over the life of the LED bulb, it will save you something like $150, after accounting for the lower replacement bulb cost and the lower energy usage. Swap out a household's worth of bulbs, and you'll save thousands of dollars. You might even save some extra on cooling your house, since incandescents produce much more waste heat.

There are other side benefits, too. I used to find myself changing bulbs fairly frequently. If your typical bulb runs 3 hours per day, you'll be replacing it about once per year, which means in a typical house you'd be replacing one every other week or so. By comparison, with LEDs, a typical house might require only one bulb to be changed per year. It's not that it takes much time to switch out a bulb, but I usually notice it when my hands are full, and then forget about it, so that it keeps bugging me over and over until I finally get around to changing the bulbs. It makes life a little less stressful when the bulbs seem to last forever.

Because of their higher starting price point, LEDs also can have extra technology integrated into them. Mine are wirelessly networked, so that I can control them from my smartphone. I use this to set up programs for them to turn on and off on a schedule, during weekdays, to match my routine. When it's time to wake up in the morning, the light comes on. If I'm going to be away, I can have them turn themselves on and off on an irregular pattern, so anyone casing the house thinks someone's home. And I can save "scenes" (e.g., automatically setting bulbs to various dimmer levels for TV watching.)

I bring this up, because I think it's a preview of how the fight against global warming could go. Conservatives urge us to think of it as if any effort to limit carbon emissions is some anti-capitalist conspiracy that will cost us a fortune and make our lives miserable. But, in fact, the market's damned good at responding to these pressures. When it became clear incandescents were going away, lots of investment went into developing better, cheaper LEDs, and now we have options that are superior to incandescents not just in terms of environmental impact, but in terms of long-term consumer costs and benefits. You can save time and money while saving the environment. If we commit to reducing GHGs, we're likely to find the same pattern again and again with other technologies.
 
I used light bulbs to heat rooms I was in (those 350-500 watt floor stands with dimmers). And I change light bulbs now more than I ever did in the past.

I like light that most closely resembles sunlight. Isn't being offered these days.
 
I like the new lights just fine -- but we really didn't need a law banning the old ones any more than we needed a law requiring us to flush the toilet twice (the primary outcome of the law that limits the size of a toilet tank).
 
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in the very first sentence, the reporter reveals his complete ignorance of CFT (compact fluorescent twist) lighbulbs.

CFTs come in a variety of "color temperatures" - from daylight to "soft white". the higher the number (i.e., 3,500K) the "whiter" the light emitted.

why is a reporter like this even allowed to submit an article?

full disclosure - I bought four "60 watt equivalent" CFTs in soft white for $4.95 at home depot last weekend. That's about $1.25 a bulb. LEDs make sense for automobiles and control panels, where access, vibration, and durabilty are issues. But they aren't yet competitive with CFTs for normal consumer lamps and similar fixtures.
 
in the very first sentence, the reporter reveals his complete ignorance of CFT (compact fluorescent twist) lighbulbs.

CFTs come in a variety of "color temperatures" - from daylight to "soft white". the higher the number (i.e., 3,500K) the "whiter" the light emitted.

why is a reporter like this even allowed to submit an article?

full disclosure - I bought four "60 watt equivalent" CFTs in soft white for $4.95 at home depot last weekend. That's about $1.25 a bulb. LEDs make sense for automobiles and control panels, where access, vibration, and durabilty are issues. But they aren't yet competitive with CFTs for normal consumer lamps and similar fixtures.

And CFTs are not yet compatible with a lot of home fixtures. I've gone through four of them in a year in just the fixture over my bathroom sink.
 
I used light bulbs to heat rooms I was in (those 350-500 watt floor stands with dimmers). And I change light bulbs now more than I ever did in the past.

I like light that most closely resembles sunlight. Isn't being offered these days.
If you're changing bulbs now more than ever in the past, and your lifestyle hasn't changed majorly to explain it, get an electrician out to take a look at your system, since there's some sort of problem that seems like a serious risk to anyone living there. Both CFLs and LEDs have MUCH longer lives than incadescents, so if you're changing bulbs more now, with those, than before, you must be getting some surges in your system, or there's some other problem.

As for using bulbs to heat rooms, that's not terribly efficient, since a greater share of that heat is going to fly right out the windows as infrared radiation than if you heated with a more traditional system. You'll save money if you use an LED plus an efficient heater than if you use an incandescent as a makeshift heater. And you'll save a lot more on warmer days, when you don't need to use a fan or an air conditioner to handle the extra waste heat.

As for the quality of the light, that was my problem with CFLs, but some of the latest LEDs are so good that I'd be surprised if you could spot the difference.
 
in the very first sentence, the reporter reveals his complete ignorance of CFT (compact fluorescent twist) lighbulbs.

CFTs come in a variety of "color temperatures" - from daylight to "soft white". the higher the number (i.e., 3,500K) the "whiter" the light emitted.

why is a reporter like this even allowed to submit an article?

full disclosure - I bought four "60 watt equivalent" CFTs in soft white for $4.95 at home depot last weekend. That's about $1.25 a bulb. LEDs make sense for automobiles and control panels, where access, vibration, and durabilty are issues. But they aren't yet competitive with CFTs for normal consumer lamps and similar fixtures.
From a strictly economic perspective, you could make an argument for CFLs, but, like I said, the quality of the light bothers me. Plus, if you break one, you get vaporized mercury, which isn't great, especially if you have a kid in the house. I'm willing to shell out more of the LED, and in the long run the costs end up very close, anyway.
 
And CFTs are not yet compatible with a lot of home fixtures. I've gone through four of them in a year in just the fixture over my bathroom sink.
I used to have a problem with the compact fluorescents fitting, a few years ago, but not lately. They tend to stick pretty closely to the old incandescent form factors. And it's easy to find LEDs that fit that shape.
 
I used to have a problem with the compact fluorescents fitting, a few years ago, but not lately. They tend to stick pretty closely to the old incandescent form factors. And it's easy to find LEDs that fit that shape.

Yes, but then their highly-touted longevity ceases to exist. In fact, in more cases than not, I've found their longevity to be no better than incandescent bulbs. That leaves only their energy efficiency to offset the much higher price they brought to the market versus the much lower initial price of incandescents. Not to mention the environmental disposal concerns when it comes to CFTs.

Yes, I know which president signed that law, and regardless of who it was, this is just good old fashioned liberal paternalism, as was the toilet-tank legislation that preceded it. You can have a free market of ideas, but apparently not one that encompasses an actual free market of objects.
 
Yes, but then their highly-touted longevity ceases to exist. In fact, in more cases than not, I've found their longevity to be no better than incandescent bulbs. That leaves only their energy efficiency to offset the much higher price they brought to the market versus the much lower initial price of incandescents. Not to mention the environmental disposal concerns when it comes to CFTs.

Yes, I know which president signed that law, and regardless of who it was, this is just good old fashioned liberal paternalism, as was the toilet-tank legislation that preceded it. You can have a free market of ideas, but apparently not one that encompasses an actual free market of objects.
It's excellent policy despite who signed off on it.

I'm interested in your claim that the longevity ceases to exist. I definitely haven't seen that. I haven't had to change a single LED bulb since I started buying them several years ago, and have only had to change out two CFLs, which I started buying well before that. Just about every time I notice a bulb is out, it's an incandescent, and I swap it out for an LED.
 
It's excellent policy despite who signed off on it.

I'm interested in your claim that the longevity ceases to exist. I definitely haven't seen that. I haven't had to change a single LED bulb since I started buying them several years ago, and have only had to change out two CFLs, which I started buying well before that. Just about every time I notice a bulb is out, it's an incandescent, and I swap it out for an LED.

I'm finding in "tight" fixtures that their longevity is no better than incandescent bulbs. I think the enclosed fixtures confine too much heat next to the ballasts in their base, but I'm not certain.

I'm talking here the twist flourescents. I haven't had the opportunity to use LED lights.

And no, the law is not "excellent policy." It's stupidity.
 
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When they outlawed the incandescent bulbs I bought a life time supply. AS it turns out I didn't need to as you can buy them as heater units, a great way to get around the law. Several states have passed laws allowing it, but I think they have trouble shipping out of state.
What is interesting, they found a way to make the bulbs use way less power, almost at the level of LED's.
 
As for using bulbs to heat rooms, that's not terribly efficient, since a greater share of that heat is going to fly right out the windows as infrared radiation than if you heated with a more traditional system.

I'm using the 350W light to see and it is heating the room. Plus on hot days/nights that particular light would not be used. The height of efficiency that liberales never got. And apparently still don't. ;0)
 
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