make no mistake

[Yuri Zhivago]

That is what was determined down there in Washington DC.
There is a barbarism in the American soul and we must protect some of it by law.
To root it out is to endanger our lives on the one hand, and our liberty on the other.
We must tolerate the barbarism of the occasional mass shooting in order to maintain our liberty.
We will find the barbarian who killed and maimed the people along Boylston Street in Boston because his barbarism was not sanctioned, nor was it sanctified by law. That is the simple basic equation of where we are right now.

Gabrielle Giffords was told this. The families of the children of Newtown were told this. The 91 percent of the American people who want something that they now have no hope of getting were told this, The president of the United States, fairly shaking with impotent anger in the Rose Garden, was told this. We are a violent people. We are an armed people. We are a people intent on permitting mayhem and slaughter. We are a people intent on providing the means for mayhem and slaughter. And because of all of this, we are a free people. It is an odd day to be looking down at Our Nation's Capital, where barbarism has become so tailored and manicured, and so utterly unremarkable. We might as well speak honestly about it. We might as well speak about it here.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/our-violent-country-041813

 

[Dino]

Totally misguided cockeyed logic, looking the wrong way through the telescope.

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

Yes, we ARE a violent people. Americans are probably the most warlike people on the planet. If there is any nation that has been at war more than we have over the past 230 years, I would like to know what country that would be. We seem to relish war.

This is why the hippies were so wildly and radically un-American, with their slogan "Make Love Not War".

REAL Americans shout "Make WAR Not Love!!"

 

[Sickofleft]

uke:

Yes, we ARE a violent people. Americans are probably the most warlike people on the planet. If there is any nation that has been at war more than we have over the past 230 years, I would like to know what country that would be. We seem to relish war.

This is why the hippies were so wildly and radically un-American, with their slogan "Make Love Not War".

REAL Americans shout "Make WAR Not Love!!"

 

[marvin martian]

Totally misguided cockeyed logic, looking the wrong way through the telescope.

LOL!:drinkup:

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

uke:

So, I take it you couldn't name me a country that has been at war more than we have over the past few centuries? Drew a blank on that one? And being unable to answer the question made you barf?

 

[Yuri Zhivago]

Yes, we ARE a violent people. Americans are probably the most warlike people on the planet. If there is any nation that has been at war more than we have over the past 230 years, I would like to know what country that would be. We seem to relish war.

This is why the hippies were so wildly and radically un-American, with their slogan "Make Love Not War".

REAL Americans shout "Make WAR Not Love!!"

I'd say that before 1945 that title belonged to germany , before that to England, Spain. Now it is proudly ours

 

[Sickofleft]

So, I take it you couldn't name me a country that has been at war more than we have over the past few centuries? Drew a blank on that one? And being unable to answer the question made you barf?

NO LeRoy your post and your hippie bullshit made me barf. In the last 230 years? Ohhh France, Germany, Russia, Japan, China, Britian,etc. ...assuming your entire theory was not [Unwelcome language removed] absurd to begin with.

Try reading some actual history first, try doing it not stoned.

 

[marvin martian]

NO LeRoy your post and your hippie bullshit made me barf. In the last 230 years? Ohhh France, Germany, Russia, Japan, China, Britian,etc. ...assuming your entire theory was not [Unwelcome language removed] absurd to begin with.

Try reading some actual history first, try doing it not stoned.

LOL! How ironic on a thread started by a Russian...looks like the leftards have both their irony filters AND their reality filters on today.

 

[Gramps]

There is no logic to the chain of events that have occurred in recent times. Sad to say but I believe the mindset is "so long as it is happening to someone else, although I do not like it, I can live with it". Americans really aren't alot different than any other group of people, although we like to think we are. This nation was founded on a series of barbaristic schemes if we would be honest about it, otherwise the takeover would've last longer than it did. We pride outselves over clever passages such as "how we won the west" and ignore the fact that the methods really didn't justify the means. America progressed much as Europe did centuries before and if not for the revolution might've ended-up being dozens of scrappy nations sandwiched together doomed to fight each other rather than common enemies in other places.

Tomorrow, or the day after, most everyone will go back to their daily routines and dismiss for the most part the tragic deaths and injuries of crimes against humanity, except the few who were devastated by the crime. Those directly affected will suffer the agonies for ages on end because, however we keep conjuring up slogans like "closure", the pain doesn't go away.

Ain't it a shame? Indeed. Yes, there are some among us who care deeply about another's misfortunes. If there is any blue sky in the wake of such disasters it might come should assaults such as 9/11 and Boston tend to bring us together rather than tear us apart.

Gramps

That is what was determined down there in Washington DC.
There is a barbarism in the American soul and we must protect some of it by law.
To root it out is to endanger our lives on the one hand, and our liberty on the other.
We must tolerate the barbarism of the occasional mass shooting in order to maintain our liberty.
We will find the barbarian who killed and maimed the people along Boylston Street in Boston because his barbarism was not sanctioned, nor was it sanctified by law. That is the simple basic equation of where we are right now.

Gabrielle Giffords was told this. The families of the children of Newtown were told this. The 91 percent of the American people who want something that they now have no hope of getting were told this, The president of the United States, fairly shaking with impotent anger in the Rose Garden, was told this. We are a violent people. We are an armed people. We are a people intent on permitting mayhem and slaughter. We are a people intent on providing the means for mayhem and slaughter. And because of all of this, we are a free people. It is an odd day to be looking down at Our Nation's Capital, where barbarism has become so tailored and manicured, and so utterly unremarkable. We might as well speak honestly about it. We might as well speak about it here.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/our-violent-country-041813

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

NO LeRoy your post and your hippie bullshit made me barf. In the last 230 years? Ohhh France, Germany, Russia, Japan, China, Britian,etc. ...assuming your entire theory was not [Unwelcome language removed] absurd to begin with.

Try reading some actual history first, try doing it not stoned.

None of the countries you listed have been at war in more of the last 230 years than America. None of them. Sorry. Epic fail.

 

[Dino]

As long as we live in a nation where governments refuse to prosecute people illegally possessing weapons, we will have a majority of citizens who wish the opportunity to defend themselves.

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

As long as we live in a nation where governments refuse to prosecute people illegally possessing weapons, we will have a majority of citizens who wish the opportunity to defend themselves.

Do you happen to have any examples of our government refusing "to prosecute people illegally possessing weapons"?

Thanks in advance!

 

[zzigzzag]

 

[Dino]

Sure do. Washington DC... releases gang-bangers in DC with a misdemeanor carrying pistol without a license charge, usually resulting in probation and no jail time. People with out of state licenses who carry their weapons into the District receive the even more innocuous "attempted CPWL" charge. This is plead out without spending time behind bars at all.

And then there's LA, New York, and Chicago too...

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/wa...new-york-prosecuted-fewest-federal-gun-crimes

Chicago is awash with guns, but where are the prosecutions?

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

Sure do. Washington DC... releases gang-bangers in DC with a misdemeanor carrying pistol without a license charge, usually resulting in probation and no jail time. People with out of state licenses who carry their weapons into the District receive the even more innocuous "attempted CPWL" charge. This is plead out without spending time behind bars at all.

And then there's LA, New York, and Chicago too...

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/wa...new-york-prosecuted-fewest-federal-gun-crimes

Chicago is awash with guns, but where are the prosecutions?

If people are being given probation for illegal possession of weapons, maybe that is too light of a punishment---I would tend to think it is---but that does not mean that there is a 'refusal to prosecute'. You can't give someone probation if you haven't prosecuted them.

 

[Dino]

They're out on the street, not incarcerated. I don't consider such a slap on the wrist an actual prosecution. Turning them loose on a promise of good behavior is ridiculous and doesn't keep the citizens safe.

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

They're out on the street, not incarcerated. I don't consider such a slap on the wrist an actual prosecution. Turning them loose on a promise of good behavior is ridiculous and doesn't keep the citizens safe.

Well, you're probably right, but I would think that if they are out on probation, and are arrested again with an illegal weapon, it's into the hoose-gow they go. I suspect this is happening because our courts and our prisons are simply clogged and overwhelmed.

 

[zzigzzag]

You can't give someone probation if you haven't prosecuted them.

Dino's still working on his MA in the obvious.