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As most people know, Colorado and Washington State have legalized recreational marijuana. I would like to know how it is going in those states, and how the people in those states feel about their acceptance of the substance. If anyone has any ideas on how they feel personally about the legalization political fallout I know of no better place to sound off than political jack.
 
From everything that I've read and heard, there is no political fallout. It's kind of a non-event event.

Had the prohibition on marijuana been rescinded back in the 1970s, it would have been big news. At this point, most folks are just shrugging their shoulders and wondering why it took so long.
 
There's no reason to make marijuana illegal if alcohol is so readily available...

It's one of those "save people from themselves" laws that's only around to make money.. like seatbelt violations.
 
As most people know, Colorado and Washington State have legalized recreational marijuana. I would like to know how it is going in those states, and how the people in those states feel about their acceptance of the substance. If anyone has any ideas on how they feel personally about the legalization political fallout I know of no better place to sound off than political jack.


Then I assume you haven't been to very may boards, this place used to be pretty cool, but with some of the changes & things that were done by a few select people here, most of the best posters have been chased away.

So sir to you I say, good luck & good posting.
 
Then I assume you haven't been to very may boards, this place used to be pretty cool, but with some of the changes & things that were done by a few select people here, most of the best posters have been chased away.

So sir to you I say, good luck & good posting.


Which changes?
Which people?
Who were the best posters who left? I can think of a few excellent posters who have left but not due to these recent changes.
What changes don't you like, micah2351?
Just curious. PM me if you'd like to compare notes.
 
As most people know, Colorado and Washington State have legalized recreational marijuana. I would like to know how it is going in those states, and how the people in those states feel about their acceptance of the substance. If anyone has any ideas on how they feel personally about the legalization political fallout I know of no better place to sound off than political jack.


I would like to know how it's going in Colorado and Washington too. I have family in WA (none of whom would have any idea about marijuana) but I have some friends there who might have some idea. I'll ask. Colorado -- I didn't keep any friends there when I left. Didn't live there long enough to really get to know any keepers.

I'd be interested in the thoughts though.
 
I would like to know how it's going in Colorado and Washington too. I have family in WA (none of whom would have any idea about marijuana) but I have some friends there who might have some idea. I'll ask. Colorado -- I didn't keep any friends there when I left. Didn't live there long enough to really get to know any keepers.

I'd be interested in the thoughts though.
Hi Jen: it is amazing to me that a medication/drug like marijuana can be legalized and very little, if any, notice is taken. Is this the terrible drug that thousands of kids are in jail for. I am sure most folks know about when alcohol was released from prohibition and the grand parties they had. Mj just seemed to have been accepted with no fan-fair. Any way I would love to have any word about how folks are getting along in those states and with their forward looking government. Thank you for what you can tell me.
 
Marijuana is more like coffee than beer. It is not a processed chemical like alcohol. It is an herb. It doesn't make people drunk and it doesn't cause all of the health problems that alcohol does. If you expect legalization to make big news, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed.
 
Hi Jen: it is amazing to me that a medication/drug like marijuana can be legalized and very little, if any, notice is taken. Is this the terrible drug that thousands of kids are in jail for. I am sure most folks know about when alcohol was released from prohibition and the grand parties they had. Mj just seemed to have been accepted with no fan-fair. Any way I would love to have any word about how folks are getting along in those states and with their forward looking government. Thank you for what you can tell me.


I have nothing yet, but next time I go to Washington, I have a friend there that I will ask for a brownie and see what he gives me. I never learned to smoke.
 
There's no reason to make marijuana illegal if alcohol is so readily available...

It's one of those "save people from themselves" laws that's only around to make money.. like seatbelt violations.
Alcohol is not high on my list of things to do.
 
Alcohol is not high on my list of things to do.

If you're interested in Marijuana, then maybe you should try some. It's not addictive, so you need not worry about becoming "hooked". Just don't get caught with the marijuana in your possession -- since it remains illegal in both Texas and Kansas.
 
Here in Washington, "they" are learning that doing it right, is a whole lot more complicated than many of the longtime advocates for legalization may've assumed. The latest "story" goes to some consternation with our Senators and Congresspeople for not being sufficiently "forceful" in terms of advocating for the state's position at the federal level.

In their defense, I suspect that they know damned well that the BEST way they can further the state's position, is to keep the lowest possible profile on the federal level. And, I think that's definitely one of the reasons legalization has turned out to be so complicated. The "trick" is to make it happen, without triggering any federal angst.
 
Here in Washington, "they" are learning that doing it right, is a whole lot more complicated than many of the longtime advocates for legalization may've assumed. The latest "story" goes to some consternation with our Senators and Congresspeople for not being sufficiently "forceful" in terms of advocating for the state's position at the federal level.

In their defense, I suspect that they know damned well that the BEST way they can further the state's position, is to keep the lowest possible profile on the federal level. And, I think that's definitely one of the reasons legalization has turned out to be so complicated. The "trick" is to make it happen, without triggering any federal angst.

It is unusual to attempt to nullify federal law at the state level. The feds would much rather have Colorado and Washington avoid making headlines, because they don't really want to enforce these laws. Active prohibition of Marijuana is one of the few remaining relics of Richard Nixon's war on his long and ever expanding "enemies list".
 
It is unusual to attempt to nullify federal law at the state level. The feds would much rather have Colorado and Washington avoid making headlines, because they don't really want to enforce these laws. Active prohibition of Marijuana is one of the few remaining relics of Richard Nixon's war on his long and ever expanding "enemies list".

If people don't know, they should...


"We need, and I use the word 'all out war,' or all fronts . . . ." That was Richard Nixon's reaction to his national commission's recommendation that marijuana no longer be a criminal offense, according to Nixon's Oval Office tapes. The year after Nixon's "all out war" marijuana arrests jumped by over 100,000 people.

(Download a PDF copy of the CSDP Research Report, "Nixon Tapes Show Roots of Marijuana Prohibition: Misinformation, Culture Wars and Prejudice," as well as text transcripts of portions of Nixon White House taped conversations, including the portions excerpted in the report. Also, check out this column written by humorist Gene Weingarten of the Washington Post on March 21, 2002, based on CSDP's research work, "Just What Was He Smoking?" Read this op-ed by CSDP President Kevin B. Zeese, "Once-Secret 'Nixon Tapes' Show Why The US Outlawed Pot." Finally, review the Shafer Commission's report, "Marihuana, A Signal of Misunderstanding," by clicking here.)

The Nixon White House tapes from 1971-1972 demonstrate that the foundation of the modern war on marijuana was Nixonian prejudice, culture war and misinformation. CSDP's Doug McVay spent several days at the National Archives listening to the Nixon White House tapes to find conversations about drug policy, especially regarding the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse ("the Shafer Commission"), appointed by President Nixon. He found: Nixon blaming calls for marijuana legalization on Jews; Nixon blaming the decline and fall of ancient Rome, and of the Catholic Church, on homosexuality; and Nixon criticizing the CBS sitcom "All in the Family" as a show which promoted homosexuality. (Check out some of these transcripts.)

More importantly, Nixon made clear several times that he wanted a report which supported his views and 'tough on crime' policies, no matter what the facts might be. To his credit, Governor Shafer delivered instead an honest report, with conclusions based on all the evidence -- even though at the time he was being considered for a federal judgeship (needless to say, he didn't get it).

"At a critical juncture when the United States decided how it would handle marijuana, President Nixon's prejudices did more to dominate policy that the thoughtful and extensive review of his own Blue Ribbon Commission," observed Kevin Zeese, President of Common Sense for Drug Policy. "If we had followed the advice of the experts rather than Nixon's prejudices we would have less marijuana use, be spending less money on marijuana enforcement and many million less people would have been arrested." Since the Commission issued its recommendation that marijuana offenses not be a crime, fifteen million people have been arrested on marijuana charges.

Highlights of Nixon comments on marijuana:
  • Jews and marijuana: "I see another thing in the news summary this morning about it. That's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob, what is the matter with them? I suppose it's because most of them are psychiatrists . . ."
  • Marijuana and the culture wars: "You see, homosexuality, dope, immorality in general. These are the enemies of strong societies. That's why the Communists and the left-wingers are pushing the stuff, they're trying to destroy us."
  • Marijuana compared to alcohol: marijuana consumers smoke "to get high" while "a person drinks to have fun." Nixon also saw marijuana leading to loss of motivation and discipline but claimed: "At least with liquor I don't lose motivation."
  • Marijuana and political dissent: ". . . radical demonstrators that were here . . . two weeks ago . . . They're all on drugs, virtually all."
  • Drug education: "Enforce the law, you’ve got to scare them."


http://www.csdp.org/news/news/nixon.htm
 
It is unusual to attempt to nullify federal law at the state level. The feds would much rather have Colorado and Washington avoid making headlines, because they don't really want to enforce these laws. Active prohibition of Marijuana is one of the few remaining relics of Richard Nixon's war on his long and ever expanding "enemies list".

I imagine D.C. wants for this to be an evolutionary thing, whereby maybe 10-20 years from now, marijuana has become "de facto" legal in so many places, that the feds dropping the issue will raise no eyebrows. And, I don't even see this one as a GOP vs. Dem. issue, considering the extent to which the Li'l George Administration barely lifted a finger around all those state-by-state medical marijuna schemes.

In in the meantime, it's incumbent upon the states, to not push the various envelopes too far.
 
I imagine D.C. wants for this to be an evolutionary thing, whereby maybe 10-20 years from now, marijuana has become "de facto" legal in so many places, that the feds dropping the issue will raise no eyebrows. And, I don't even see this one as a GOP vs. Dem. issue, considering the extent to which the Li'l George Administration barely lifted a finger around all those state-by-state medical marijuna schemes.

In in the meantime, it's incumbent upon the states, to not push the various envelopes too far.

There has been a huge investment in anti-marijuana propaganda over the past few decades. The feds will need enough time to pass for people to forget what they've been "taught" before they quietly remove prohibition from the books. Nobody likes to admit that they were wrong -- especially when the error involved placing thousands of innocent citizens in prison.
 
If you're interested in Marijuana, then maybe you should try some. It's not addictive, so you need not worry about becoming "hooked". Just don't get caught with the marijuana in your possession -- since it remains illegal in both Texas and Kansas.
 
Then I assume you haven't been to very may boards, this place used to be pretty cool, but with some of the changes & things that were done by a few select people here, most of the best posters have been chased away.

So sir to you I say, good luck & good posting.
Then I assume you haven't been to very may boards, this place used to be pretty cool, but with some of the changes & things that were done by a few select people here, most of the best posters have been chased away.

So sir to you I say, good luck & good posting.
THANK YOU! You are correct that I have not been to very many boards, and I have no wish to be there. I am here to enjoy the thoughtful intelligent exchange of ideas that the folks on political jack are willing to share with me. I have seen the richness of their experience in what they say, plus I just love this forum and the folks that are talking here. And as far as I can tell this political jack is about as cool as it needs to be.
 
I have nothing yet, but next time I go to Washington, I have a friend there that I will ask for a brownie and see what he gives me. I never learned to smoke.

Hi mica2351 sounds like you still know how to get there, good hunting.
 
If you're interested in Marijuana, then maybe you should try some. It's not addictive, so you need not worry about becoming "hooked". Just don't get caught with the marijuana in your possession -- since it remains illegal in both Texas and Kansas.
Hi Night: Very hard to find in Kansas or Texas but you never know when you'll get lucky. But it is in general, a subject that I find fascinating. The fact that thousands of kids are in prison for selling pot. The fact that some state houses would no way not have booze, but mention pot and see how long it takes for the police to put your butt behind steel doors.
 
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