Medicare for all

[Dawg]

1) No one who comes from Canada gets medical care paid for by the US - that's paid for either by themselves or whatever health insurance they have up in Canada. Many come to the US because we have the BEST care for those who have the money to afford it.

2) Yes 27-28 will be far better than it would have been had things not gone the way they did yesterday. Hopefully the (D)s will show some balls and shut down Trump's outrageous behaviors. I do not have much faith in the (D)s.

3) Healthcare will not be free. It would be cheaper and more effective if we followed the same systems that every other western democracy follows.

1( never said those that come here get free HC

2) Will we see it in Colour or same Black and White photos

3) if healthcare gets cheaper there will be fewer Doctors

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

horseshit. A majority of those poled.

Ouch. It must hurt to get poled.

;-)

 

[georgephillip]

1( never said those that come here get free HC

2) Will we see it in Colour or same Black and White photos

3) if healthcare gets cheaper there will be fewer Doctors

How about tuition-free medical schools?

AI Overview


"Making U.S. medical schools tuition-free would likely increase the number of applicants, particularly from low-income and minority backgrounds, but it would not significantly increase the overall number of practicing MDs in the short or medium term"

 

[TBLee]

I was replying to @Dawg 's comment about people coming to America for healthcare.

Your response was to me.

 

[Dawg]

How about tuition-free medical schools?

AI Overview


"Making U.S. medical schools tuition-free would likely increase the number of applicants, particularly from low-income and minority backgrounds, but it would not significantly increase the overall number of practicing MDs in the short or medium term"

and

 

[RepubBub]

How about tuition-free medical schools?

AI Overview


"Making U.S. medical schools tuition-free would likely increase the number of applicants, particularly from low-income and minority backgrounds, but it would not significantly increase the overall number of practicing MDs in the short or medium term"

Conservatives only think short term. That’s why they struggle with rent at 70.

 

[georgephillip]

Conservatives only think short term. That’s why they struggle with rent at 70.

A friend of mine earned her MD in Soviet Armenia, where her books and classes were free, and she was given a monthly stipend to live on.

If such an education is possible in Soviet Armenia (or Cuba), it is possible here.

 

[georgephillip]

and

3) if healthcare gets cheaper there will be fewer Doctors

How did you arrive at this conclusion?

 

[RepubBub]

A friend of mine earned her MD in Soviet Armenia, where her books and classes were free, and she was given a monthly stipend to live on.

If such an education is possible in Soviet Armenia (or Cuba), it is possible here.

Blasphemy. Higher education turns you into a liberal!

 

[Drumcollie]

A majority of Americans believe US healthcare is already ruined:

https://www.kff.org/public-opinion/...all-and-other-national-health-plan-proposals/

"In fact, since KFF began polling on this question in 2006, three-quarters of U.S. adults or more have favored the federal government doing more to help provide health insurance to more Americans."

Thank you Obama.

 

[PNWest]

Your response was to me.

Nope - see posts 32 and 33

 

[georgephillip]

Blasphemy. Higher education turns you into a liberal!

Or worse?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski

 

[georgephillip]

Thank you Obama.

And Liz

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[Bugsy McGurk]

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The public option is the only solution that has any chance of becoming law in the near term. It’s time to re-introduce that concept and promote it vigorously.

 

[georgephillip]

The public option is the only solution that has any chance of becoming law in the near term. It’s time to re-introduce that concept and promote it vigorously.

How are you defining "near future?"

Imho, eliminating upfront costs or cost sharing, deductibles, premiums, coinsurance, and copayments offers Americans an affordability solution that a vast majority of voters would vote for.

Where would the money come from to fund such largess?

https://prospect.org/2025/12/03/79-trillion-heist-worker-pay/

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

How are you defining "near future?"

Imho, eliminating upfront costs or cost sharing, deductibles, premiums, coinsurance, and copayments offers Americans an affordability solution that a vast majority of voters would vote for.

Where would the money come from to fund such largess?

https://prospect.org/2025/12/03/79-trillion-heist-worker-pay/

Dunno. It’s your proposal. Explain it.

 

[georgephillip]

Dunno. It’s your proposal. Explain it.

You introduced the phrase "near term" into this discussion:

The public option is the only solution that has any chance of becoming law in the near term. It’s time to re-introduce that concept and promote it vigorously.

It is time to serve the "near term" interests of a majority of Americans instead of the donor class of both major US political parties:

AI Overview:

"KFF (September/October 2026): A KFF Health Tracking Poll found that 66% of U.S. adults favor having a national health plan (Medicare for All) where all Americans get insurance from a single government plan (up from 53% in October 2020). This includes 84% of Democrats and 72% of independents, while 66% of Republicans oppose"

 

[Dawg]

How did you arrive at this conclusion?

Cost of operating a doctors office

 

[Raoul_Luke]

1) No one who comes from Canada gets medical care paid for by the US - that's paid for either by themselves or whatever health insurance they have up in Canada. Many come to the US because we have the BEST care for those who have the money to afford it.

2) Yes 27-28 will be far better than it would have been had things not gone the way they did yesterday. Hopefully the (D)s will show some balls and shut down Trump's outrageous behaviors. I do not have much faith in the (D)s.

3) Healthcare will not be free. It would be cheaper and more effective if we followed the same systems that every other western democracy follows.

Why do you suppose it is that the countries with socialized medicine DO NOT have "the best health care money can buy?" It is simplistic (and also very leftist, but that is a distinction without a difference) to assume that we can socialize our health care system and still maintain the world's best health care money can buy.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

You introduced the phrase "near term" into this discussion:

It is time to serve the "near term" interests of a majority of Americans instead of the donor class of both major US political parties:

AI Overview:

"KFF (September/October 2026): A KFF Health Tracking Poll found that 66% of U.S. adults favor having a national health plan (Medicare for All) where all Americans get insurance from a single government plan (up from 53% in October 2020). This includes 84% of Democrats and 72% of independents, while 66% of Republicans oppose"

I'm actually okay with that, at least Medicare Part A that covers inpatient care. However I harbor no illusion that it will not reduce the quality and availability of our most technologically advanced care, which I consider a good thing.

Then, as with Medicare, let the individuals cover their Parts B and C for outpatient care, Doctor visits and prescriptions, either through private insurance of FQHCs:



That still leaves the problem of Long Term Care, but reducing access to advanced inpatient care should resolve that the old fashioned way...death.