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JuliefromOhio said:
9/11 happened on Bush/repub watch.

more negligence on their part has come to light over the years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html?_r=1
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In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, with the knee-jerk jingoism that gave Bush 90%+ approval ratings almost overnight (for having done nothing, at that point), people were afraid to explore what, exactly, had gone wrong. But the fact is, he made a whole lot of mistakes.

When he came to office, Clarke and Tenet had prepared a plan for putting Al Qaeda on the defensive. Bush ignored it. A month or two later, he got a report from the Hart/Rudman Commission (a blue ribbon, bipartisan panel tasks with coming up with suggestions for improving homeland security). It included ideas like creating a consolidated homeland security agency, and it called for the changes to be made urgently. Bush shelved it in favor of Cheney taking a new look at the whole topic at some indeterminate point in the future. Bush avoided having even a single principals meeting on the subject of terrorism until his ninth month in office (Clinton was having them on a nearly weekly basis, to "shake the trees" and keep people focused on what they could do to deal with the threat). In the Summer of 2001, when Clarke and Tenet and others were "running around with their hair on fire" due to an increase in Al Qaeda chatter, and Rice had given Bush a series of briefings informing him that Bin Laden was determined to strike in America, Bush disappeared for a month-long vacation at his Texas mansion. Clearing brush for four weeks took priority over dealing with that imminent threat.

As your link points out, we can never know whether a less negligent president would have stopped the attacks. But the fact that remains a very legitimate question is sad. In 2000, the Supreme Court appointed a stupid, lazy, inept man to the presidency, and he spent his first eight months in office missing every opportunity to spare us from the biggest terrorist attack in world history. Everyone with a hand in his appointment to the presidency has a share of the guilt for all that American bloodshed that was, perhaps, avoidable.
 
JuliefromOhio said:
9/11 happened on Bush/repub watch.

more negligence on their part has come to light over the years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html?_r=1
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I listened a little to the MSNBC rerun.They are going on and on about how Bush is heading back to WDC. All I can think of is those 7 minutes Bush sat blankly and would not move. Then he was gone for the rest of the day. Cheney was running things from the bomb shelter in the White House. Then, I began to think that nothing like that has happened on the Obama watch. He has seen that most of Al Qaeda is dead,including Bin Laden. I can still see Bush leaning on that fireman,who looked as if he was ready to drop over.

Then I think who would want Romney,who wants to go to war with Russia,as he thinks they are our greatest enemy,and McCain who would fight half the world now that he is too old to cut the mustard. He sure forgets a lot.

Then I remember being in Florida,not able to fly home while Bush flew the whole Bin Laden family to safety. While all those people lay dead.
Oh,yes,this has brought up a lot of memories. None of them good about Bush/Cheney.
 
Arkady said:
In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, with the knee-jerk jingoism that gave Bush 90%+ approval ratings almost overnight (for having done nothing, at that point), people were afraid to explore what, exactly, had gone wrong. But the fact is, he made a whole lot of mistakes.

When he came to office, Clarke and Tenet had prepared a plan for putting Al Qaeda on the defensive. Bush ignored it. A month or two later, he got a report from the Hart/Rudman Commission (a blue ribbon, bipartisan panel tasks with coming up with suggestions for improving homeland security). It included ideas like creating a consolidated homeland security agency, and it called for the changes to be made urgently. Bush shelved it in favor of Cheney taking a new look at the whole topic at some indeterminate point in the future. Bush avoided having even a single principals meeting on the subject of terrorism until his ninth month in office (Clinton was having them on a nearly weekly basis, to "shake the trees" and keep people focused on what they could do to deal with the threat). In the Summer of 2001, when Clarke and Tenet and others were "running around with their hair on fire" due to an increase in Al Qaeda chatter, and Rice had given Bush a series of briefings informing him that Bin Laden was determined to strike in America, Bush disappeared for a month-long vacation at his Texas mansion. Clearing brush for four weeks took priority over dealing with that imminent threat.

As your link points out, we can never know whether a less negligent president would have stopped the attacks. But the fact that remains a very legitimate question is sad. In 2000, the Supreme Court appointed a stupid, lazy, inept man to the presidency, and he spent his first eight months in office missing every opportunity to spare us from the biggest terrorist attack in world history. Everyone with a hand in his appointment to the presidency has a share of the guilt for all that American bloodshed that was, perhaps, avoidable.
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Arkady,I have Clarke's book.Bought it as soon as it came out.I am going to reread it to refresh my memory.
 
A sad day of remberance... but sadder too is that just maybe.. all of these events could have been prevented with the right leader in charge of the WH!!
 
MaryAnne said:
I listened a little to the MSNThen he was gone for the rest of the day. Cheney was running things from the bomb shelter iBC rerun.They are going on and on about how Bush is heading back to WDC. All I can think of is those 7 minutes Bush sat blankly and would not move. n the White House. Then, I began to think that nothing like that has happened on the Obama watch.
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Yeah, our "Marxist" President wouldn't just sit from 7 minutes with a blank stare on his face like a deer caught in headlights, not knowing what to do.
 
Arkady, you expressed well the anger I, too, feel about that essentially leaderless period of our history.
 
colfax said:
Yeah, our "Marxist" President wouldn't just sit from 7 minutes with a blank stare on his face like a deer caught in headlights, not knowing what to do.
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remember the joke. even (legless) Max Cleland would've jumped up out of his seat and taken charge.
 
Bush only cared, at that point, about jamming through the upper-class tax cuts. There was a giant void in Washington on everything else.
 
Addy said:
A sad day of remberance... but sadder too is that just maybe.. all of these events could have been prevented with the right leader in charge of the WH!!
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If only Bush had listened,3000 might be alive,plus 4000 in his senseless war in Iraq. not to mention the thousands of Iraqi's.
 
Arkady said:
Bush only cared, at that point, about jamming through the upper-class tax cuts. There was a giant void in Washington on everything else.
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Didn't help matters that W's chief foreign policy advisor was an expert on Russia. Hell, Mitt Romney apparently still thinks that it was Russia that attacked us on 9-11. After all, Russia "is without question our number one geopolitical foe".



Oh well... Add that stupid Mitt Romney quote to the list:

"I saw my father march with Martin Luther King." (Romney's campaign later admitted that they didn't march on the same day, or in the same city.)

"PETA is not happy that my dog likes fresh air." --on strapping his dog to the top of the car.

"My sons are all adults and they've made decisions about their careers and they've chosen not to serve in the military and active duty and I respect their decision in that regard. One of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping me get elected because they think I'd be a great president."

"You sit down with your attorneys and tell you what you have to do, but obviously the president of the United States has to do what's in the best interest of the United States against a potential threat." --on whether he would consult Congress about invading Iran.

"I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I've been a hunter pretty much all my life." (Romney's campaign later said he'd been hunting twice, once when he was 15, and once in 2006 at a Republican fund-raiser.

"I'm not a big-game hunter. I've made that very clear. I've always been a rodent and rabbit hunter. Small varmints, if you will."

"Hugo Chavez has tried to steal an inspiring phrase 'Patria o muerte, venceremos.' It does not belong to him. It belongs to a free Cuba." --invoking a phrase that translates to "Fatherland or death, we shall overcome," which Fidel Castro has used to close his speeches for years, and which is associated with Cuban oppression.

"Well, the question is kind of a non sequitur, if you will. And what I mean by that -- or a null set." --after being asked during a Republican debate whether is was a mistake to invade Iraq.

"We should double Guantanamo!"

"I'm happy to learn that after I speak you're going to hear from Ann Coulter. That's a good thing. I think it's important to get the views of moderates." --right before Coulter called John Edwards a "faggot".
 
QUOTE=MaryAnne;505256]If only Bush had listened,3000 might be alive,plus 4000 in his senseless war in Iraq. not to mention the thousands of Iraqi's.[/QUOTE]

All you stated is true..MaryAnne.. But during this time when everyone didn't understand fully what was happening to our country that day..

I can also remember how united our country became.. We were united Americans... holding one another up -- during all of the chaos!!

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JuliefromOhio said:
9/11 happened on Bush/repub watch.

more negligence on their part has come to light over the years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html?_r=1
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Yes, the day I will never forget did happen under Bush... Now we should never forget the mistakes before, during, and after because even though you and many will make that day political it should be a lesson on how so many hate us no matter what political party you support...
 
Union_Jack_1972 said:
Yes, the day I will never forget did happen under Bush... Now we should never forget the mistakes before, during, and after because even though you and many will make that day political it should be a lesson on how so many hate us no matter what political party you support...
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I think the 2004 election cycle wrung the last usable bit of political juice out of 9/11.
 
NightSwimmer said:
Didn't help matters that W's chief foreign policy advisor was an expert on Russia. Hell, Mitt Romney apparently still thinks that it was Russia that attacked us on 9-11. After all, Russia "is without question our number one geopolitical foe".
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LeRoy: From a recent survey, I learned that very large numbers of our current college freshmen are evidently under the impression that we were fighting Russia and China during World War II. Mitt Rmoney's understanding of foreign policy seems to be on a rough par with that level of knowledge.

John Belushi (in 'Animal House'): Did America give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? HELL NO!!!
 
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