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Nigga Marks

Arkady

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It's not often I can bring actual professional expertise to a subject here (as opposed to my usual "enthusiastic amateur" status), but on trademarks, I can help. There was a question about why the USPTO allows the mark "nigga" but not "Redskin." I did some research, and it turns out it doesn't. Of all the attempts to trademark some variant of "nigga," every one is dead except the most recent, which will almost surely die, too. They're listed as "abandoned," but if you go into the file you'll see that they're essentially dropped by the applicant after the registration has been refused on account of being scandalous (the registrant could, in theory, appeal, but instead abandons it, because the appeal would fail and isn't worth the money).

Here's the exact response from the USPTO to Damon Wayons when he tried to register the mark, a few years back:

Registration is refused because the proposed mark consists of or comprises immoral or scandalous matter. Trademark Act Section 2(a), 15 U.S.C. §1052(a); TMEP §1203.01. According to the attached evidence, drawn from an internet search using the search engine Google, the proposed mark NIGGA means N*****r and is thus scandalous because it disparages African-Americans.


To be considered “scandalous,” a mark must be “shocking to the sense of truth, decency or propriety; disgraceful; offensive; disreputable; … giving offense to the conscience or moral feelings; … [or] calling out for condemnation,” in the context of the marketplace as applied to goods or services described in the application. In re Mavety Media Group Ltd., 33 F.3d 1367, 1371, 31 USPQ2d 1923, 1925 (Fed. Cir. 1994); In re Wilcher Corp., 40 USPQ2d 1929, 1930 (TTAB 1996). Scandalousness is determined from the standpoint of “not necessarily a majority, but a substantial composite of the general public, … and in the context of contemporary attitudes.” Id.


Although debate exists about in-group uses of the term, both the word “N*****r” and the abbreviated form “nigga” are almost universally understood to be derogatory. The attached evidence makes this point.

nig·ger

nig·ger (nîg¹er) noun

Offensive Slang.

1. a. Used as a disparaging term for a Black person: “You can only be destroyed by believing that you really are what the white world calls a N*****r” (James Baldwin). b. Used as a disparaging term for a member of any dark-skinned people.

2. Used as a disparaging term for a member of any socially, economically, or politically deprived group of people: “Gun owners are the new N*****s . . . of society” (John Aquilino).

[Alteration of dialectal neger, black person, from French nègre, from Spanish negro. See Negro.][1]


A mark that is deemed scandalous under Section 2(a) is not registrable on either the Principal or Supplemental Register. TMEP §1203.01.​
 
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I confess to not having a strong opinion about the "Redskin" issue. Some are offended. Some are not. Nothing new about that.

Notre Dame calls themselves "The Fighting Irish", and dress someone up in a leprechaun outfit as a mascot. Is that offensive? I suppose some could find it so. Some people are more easily offended by others. Some might even take offense to that statement.

Forgive my indifference, but whatever you all decide is fine with me.
 
I confess to not having a strong opinion about the "Redskin" issue. Some are offended. Some are not. Nothing new about that.

Notre Dame calls themselves "The Fighting Irish", and dress someone up in a leprechaun outfit as a mascot. Is that offensive? I suppose some could find it so. Some people are more easily offended by others. Some might even take offense to that statement.

Forgive my indifference, but whatever you all decide is fine with me.

It would be great if some Irish sued to get rid of the fighting Irish trademar(s). We all know its about the drunk behavior of the Irish that is being mocked.

lol.

You just gotta wonder why some can take it and others can't.
 
It would be great if some Irish sued to get rid of the fighting Irish trademar(s). We all know its about the drunk behavior of the Irish that is being mocked.

lol.

You just gotta wonder why some can take it and others can't.


People are people (quick - write that down!) Some Native Americans are deeply offended by the name "Redskins", and some have said they are not offended at all by it. Native American or not, what one finds offensive doesn't bother others in the least. We're all different.

At least it keeps the lawyers in the green......at the risk of offending lawyers.
 
2. Used as a disparaging term for a member of any socially, economically, or politically deprived group of people: “Gun owners are the new N*****s . . . of society” (John Aquilino).

how's that feel, gun nuts?
 
2. Used as a disparaging term for a member of any socially, economically, or politically deprived group of people: “Gun owners are the new N*****s . . . of society” (John Aquilino).

how's that feel, gun nuts?


I can't speak for anyone else, but apparently you were born without the ability to offend me, as that didn't bother me a bit. It's like I'm a battleship, and you're a spitball.

Is that what you were going for?
 
I can't speak for anyone else, but apparently you were born without the ability to offend me, as that didn't bother me a bit. It's like I'm a battleship, and you're a spitball.

Is that what you were going for?
Specialization is all the rage. Regular, run of the mill nuts seek to ridicule those they consider single issue nuts (i.e. "gun nuts"). This seems to give the "Renaissance nuts" some sense of comfort :-/

The world is a strange place.
 
I confess to not having a strong opinion about the "Redskin" issue. Some are offended. Some are not. Nothing new about that.

Notre Dame calls themselves "The Fighting Irish", and dress someone up in a leprechaun outfit as a mascot. Is that offensive? I suppose some could find it so. Some people are more easily offended by others. Some might even take offense to that statement.

Forgive my indifference, but whatever you all decide is fine with me.

Well as I see it a leprechaun is not a depiction of someone of Irish extraction, but is an Irish myth. The term Redskin is just one in a long list of derogatory names Native people have been called, right along with 'Prairie N*****r' and 'Timber N*****r'.

And most Native people do not say they are not offended by the term, much less not at all, but that there are far more important injustices to address. Memories are short here, but if need be I will post responses from Native people, once more, when asked about this issue.
 
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I can't speak for anyone else, but apparently you were born without the ability to offend me, as that didn't bother me a bit. It's like I'm a battleship, and you're a spitball.

Is that what you were going for?

I didn't know that you were a gun nut.
 
Well as I see it a leprechaun is not a depiction of someone of Irish extraction, but is an Irish myth. The term Redskin is just one in a long list of derogatory names Native people have been called, right along with 'Prairie N*****r' and 'Timber N*****r'.

And most Native people do not say they are not offended by the term, much less not at all, but that there are far more important injustices to address. Memories are short here, but if need be I will post responses from Native people, once more, when asked about this issue.

He says he supposes that one might take offense at the name "Fighting Irish". But, nobody does. The relevance doesn't seem to occur to him.
 
Well as I see it a leprechaun is not a depiction of someone of Irish extraction, but is an Irish myth. The term Redskin is just one in a long list of derogatory names Native people have been called, right along with 'Prairie N*****r' and 'Timber N*****r'.

And most Native people do not say they are not offended by the term, much less not at all, but that there are far more important injustices to address. Memories are short here, but if need be I will post responses from Native people, once more, when asked about this issue.
Ok then - let's focus. Is it the picture of an Indian that is offensive...or the name "Redskins"? I ask, because you bailed on the point of a team name ("Fighting Irish") and instead selected the logo picture of the leprechaun. Is it "Redskins" or is it Native American visage? Why the non-reciprocal selectivity?
(For the record, I'm not Irish, I'm not offended, and Lucky Charms are a gross sugary mess). :)
 
Ok then - let's focus. Is it the picture of an Indian that is offensive...or the name "Redskins"? I ask, because you bailed on the point of a team name ("Fighting Irish") and instead selected the logo picture of the leprechaun. Is it "Redskins" or is it Native American visage? Why the non-reciprocal selectivity?
(For the record, I'm not Irish, I'm not offended, and Lucky Charms are a gross sugary mess). :)

For the record, I didn't address the 'Fighting Irish' portion of his reply, and leave that up to anyone of Irish extraction to determine if they are offfended by that or not. But went for his comment about the Leprechaun and the fact it's a legend.

It's the name Redskin, for the very reason I posted. Redskin is no different than Timber N*****r or Prairie N*****r, and when first coined was used much like the term N*****r. As far as a visage goes, it's 'Chief Wahoo' that I find offensive.
 
For the record, I didn't address the 'Fighting Irish' portion of his reply, and leave that up to anyone of Irish extraction to determine if they are offfended by that or not. But went for his comment about the Leprechaun and the fact it's a legend.

It's the name Redskin, for the very reason I posted. Redskin is no different than Timber N*****r or Prairie N*****r, and when first coined was used much like the term N*****r. As far as a visage goes, it's 'Chief Wahoo' that I find offensive.
I agree with you - and, accordingly, it would likewise be the name "Fighting Irish", which perpetuates an insulting stereotype of boozy, intemperate, drunken Irishmen engaging in fisticuffs at all times, etc.
Again, I think we've all become hypersensitive to every bloody thing under the sun, but then my family are bloodthirsty "Viking savages" kicked out of Denmark by Hitler and forced to sell ice among the New Country's underclass. Everyone is aggrieved, it seems. ;-)
 
I agree with you - and, accordingly, it would likewise be the name "Fighting Irish", which perpetuates an insulting stereotype of boozy, intemperate, drunken Irishmen engaging in fisticuffs at all times, etc.
Again, I think we've all become hypersensitive to every bloody thing under the sun, but then my family are bloodthirsty "Viking savages" kicked out of Denmark by Hitler and forced to sell ice among the New Country's underclass. Everyone is aggrieved, it seems. ;-)

I agree with your assessment of 'Fighting Irish'. I suspect many who see Vikings as savages are scared to death of the history of the Vikings. There were very few cultures in the socalled 'old world' who could match the Vikings for prowess.

Or they hate the Minnesota team.
 
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