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IMHO, Kansas and Missouri have had identification problems going back to the beginning. That can also dictate what other rural states wrestle with. Iowa was when I was a young man probably the most conservative state in the union. It was predominantly a farm state with little industry and leaned to he right on routine basis. Even their habits were ultra conservative; liquor, gambling, Sunday a day of rest, the list goes on and on. Today it has become a gamblers mecca, liquor is no longer regulated like it was a prescription and they have loosened their belts to become a 24/7/52 society where most everything goes. They do still cling to some rightwing philosophies but not such that they aren't wise enough to vote as the latest election illustrates. Any politician who assumes any of those states to be in his column errs because, except for Mo. and Kn. they are subject to change with changing times.

Just my opinion. I was born and rasied in Iowa. My father and grandparents were staunch Republicans although my dad did admit he erred once and voted for FDR in 1932. My grandma in particular had a fit when she learned I was a Democrat. And she was typical of Iowegians of that era.

Gramps
 
I think you are right Gramps, in Austin, when Sematech the high tech consortium moved in, they dragged a lot of blue staters with them, so now that town is blue, in a highly red area, ask amfh.

and in my own town, a decidely blue town, post 9/11, in Connecticut, Southern Connecticut, we went a little more pink; lots of bankers here, of course,

But this town went for Obama, as well as Murphy, not McMahon, we don't like people who "buy votes" here,

Remember Connecticut has the distinction of putting a governor in jail, that would be Rowland, and the LAST scandal before that was the nutmeg scandal during colonial times,

Yankees don't like that "kind of publicity" and we're moderates compared to the New Englanders in New Hampshire and Maine.

Regards
Pace
 
What's he trying to do, turn the state "blue"???

He wants more power to prosecute voter fraud, and I read that the republicans there are unwilling because it goes against the fabric of a republican ideal; more government.


Regards
Pace
 
Dem Voter: Honey, we're not in Kansas anymore.. i took a picture of my ballot and Kobach booted us. :D
 
Kobach was the principle involved in AZ's immigration law and was Romney's immigration advisor.....until people noticed.
 
PACE said:
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/10/3911138/kansas-missouri-remain-crimson.html#storylink=cpy

You don't kick people out of a state, this Kobach character is an elected official, do you really think
he should speak for the entire state of Kansas?

I don't, he took away the people's voices, what does he want? a 100% electorate that votes Republican?

really this is NOT reform folks!
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From your link:

"Americans can vote with their feet,” he [Kobach] said, “and choose a state that reflects their values and the way of life they’d like to enjoy.

“If a person wants to live in a San Francisco lifestyle, they can go there. If they want to live a Kansas lifestyle, they can come here.”​

Well, we all know what a "San Francisco lifestyle" is, don't we? Wink, wink... Sheesh, must every political statement be loaded with "code speak" these days?

More broadly, isn't time and past time we got past discussing political/cultural/social issues almost exclusively in terms of "values" and "lifestyle choices?" Strongly held opinions are not necessarily valid simply because they're held strongly.

Anyway, a lot of what we're seeing in the most virulently "red" parts of the country amounts to a reaction against 40-plus years of fairly rapid cultural and demographic change, don't you think? Folks longing for the good old days that never were...

Whatever is driving this reaction, it certainly looks as if Kansas and to a somewhat lesser extent Oklahoma are setting themselves up to be case studies in the consequences of adopting hard right Republican fiscal policies. It'll be interesting to see what actually happens if and when they truly succeed in "starving the beast." Did you know that parts of the state capitol building in Oklahoma City are off limits because they are literally crumbling to the ground? Apparently there's no money to maintain the structural integrity and safety of the frickin' capitol building. Meanwhile, revenue-limiting ballot measures pass with large margins. Wonderful metaphor...

All that aside, one wonders if Mr. Kobach has ever been to San Francisco? If I were in his shoes, I don't know that I'd want to be encouraging my citizens to make that comparison. :D

Cheers!
 
Alabama and Texas know that the diversification of industry in their states, will lead to a blurring of the political map colors,

You can't continue to hold rigid such values that the talent pool for tech won't acquiesce and move to your state.

While you petition for the brass ring of technological research and development.

Houston subsides on the oil industry, Austin? a bastion of high technology, look at Sematech

Huntsville Alabama, the new proving grounds, for Lockheed, Corning Tropel, Goodrich, and others, where's the original? why in Aberdeen Maryland, been there many times myself, really a high tech opium den if you ask me, you can't visit without getting addicted.

But Huntsville, hmmm, do you really think that the Ole Miss grads and others are the ones working in those facilities? no, it's the tulaners, the tufters, the University of Rochester and Arizona, along with Berkeley, and others who are managing the rudder at those think/proto/toy/tanks.

And they MUST live in the state to do so,

What about Oakridge National Labs? been there? I have, it's a huge campus, right in the midst of the mountain men and volunteers of Tennessee, but it's also a strong hold of displaced blue staters, technology and development all drives this.

So what's Kansas gonna do? They could compete with Boise, if they thought about it, Boise, the home of telecom, and also, dare I say it, Micro Technologies,

So Kansas, whats the matter with you, don't you wish that Intel builds a nice fab there like they did in Oregon, so your loyal faithful could be employed?

Yes, I think Kobach is short sighted here, and low minded, he speaks like a politician,

But Kansas is going to need "visionaries" in a few years.

Upstate New York has the largest tech center in the world right now, Sematech and IMEC (over in Belgium) can't even come close to what Albany has done

450 mm wafers, they are coming and Albany is doing the development

FOR EVERY ONE, EVERY BODY IN THE WORLD.

http://semimd.com/blog/2011/09/27/group-forms-450mm-consortium-in-new-york/


Sounds like Kobach doesn't want to "rock the boat" but he sure sounds like he is "missing the boat

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/12/us-tsmc-renesas-idUSBRE85B06J20120612

It's not good to bet against the techies,,, they are weird bunch

:)


Regards
Pace
 
So what's Kansas gonna do? They could compete with Boise, if they thought about it, Boise, the home of telecom, and also, dare I say it, Micro Technologies
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Micron Technology blasted much of their manufacturing off to China Pace: http://www.micron.com/about/locations/China but we did keep i believe around 3000 jobs and our Republican legislature and governor fan them with palm fronds on a daily basis primarily because ... they're not stupid like Kobach.

We've also lured a very large division of Microsoft, HP Invent (4,000 employees), Crucial.com, Healthwise, MobileDataForce, MarkMonitor, Sybase, Balihoo.com, Wirestone, and employ (as you say) over 7,000 in call centers for telecom and other communication for WDSGlobal, EDS, Teleperformance, DirectTV and T-Mobile among others.

Nope, our local Republicans will embrace everyone Kobach would like to have "vote with their feet" ;-)
 
R and D is still Boise Bo, I know,

I know what you guys are doing........!!!!!!!!!

Know why? because Micron don't want China to know "how" they develop their process tools and "how" they develop their resist......

:)

Smart move.

Regards
Pace
 
That's exactly correct Pace (boy you're smart ;-) Micron was up against it with Chinese government subsidized microprocessors and had to make those moves to survive.

But dummies they ain't.. sadly we lost one of the great innovators and all around good guys earlier this year.. Boise State grad and benefactor Steve Appleton in an experimental airplane crash at our airport. He was up there in the Jobs/ Gates stratosphere as far innovators are concerned.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/02/04/1980622/a-fierce-bronco.html
 
Bo-4 said:
That's exactly correct Pace (boy you're smart ;-) Micron was up against it with Chinese government subsidized microprocessors and had to make those moves to survive.

But dummies they ain't.. sadly we lost one of the great innovators and all around good guys earlier this year.. Boise State grad and benefactor Steve Appleton in an experimental airplane crash at our airport. He was up there in the Jobs/ Gates stratosphere as far innovators are concerned.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/02/04/1980622/a-fierce-bronco.html
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Appleton was a visionary, I knew him when he was at Sematech, we called Steve "Waferman", he was the godfather of the "tilted" stage, you can tilt a stage to do lithography to gain better contrast at the wafer plane, we all thought Steve was gaming the system a little, because back then, and I can talk about it now, it was all about stage speed and overlay.

He was one of the originals, a real visionary, and now we have stages that SCREAM Bo! so fast, it's amazing, BUT we are in the nanometric range, I have to tell you, 450mm "pizza" wafers are a challenge but if we achieve the nano levels being bandied about like race horse names.

that phone and that computer of yours just became SUPER fast, and SUPER cheap!


Regards
Pace
 
Bo-4 said:
Great post man. Where ya been?
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Thanks, Bo. I've been here, but reading more than posting. Too many things to do, lately -- mostly work related. Do more with less... Work smarter, not harder... The usual bullsh*t one hears when one is being asked to do one's own job and to take on the responsibilities of departed folks whose former positions are frozen because of budgetary concerns. Hoping things turn around and settle down one of these days...

Take care.
 
I've belonged to his gyms here for 10 years now Pace and used to see him all the time at Parkcenter location (closest one to Micron).

Everyone thought he was crazy when he told Gold's to take a hike and renamed them Axiom. Didn't know him well, but had some lighthearted banter a few times and really liked the guy.

Turned out to be a brilliant move as their membership and profits have skyrocketed after dumping the franchise fees and putting them through a total remodel.

http://www.axiomfitness.com/
 
PACE said:
Alabama and Texas know that the diversification of industry in their states, will lead to a blurring of the political map colors,

You can't continue to hold rigid such values that the talent pool for tech won't acquiesce and move to your state.

[...]

Sounds like Kobach doesn't want to "rock the boat" but he sure sounds like he is "missing the boat.
:)
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Yep, you're right. There's plenty of evidence all over the country that ideological purity and "severely conservative values" aren't what bring good, high-paying jobs to town. Rather, it's a combination of effective government -- i.e. government willing and able to competently provide and manage public services and partner with industry to create and maintain necessary facilities, utilities, training programs, and so on -- an educated workforce, good transportation and communication infrastructures, and social and cultural amenities that foster an improved quality of life.

Cutting taxes and "getting government out of the way" isn't enough, certainly not in a global economy. Really, this ain't exactly rocket science, is it? Facts and evidence, evidence and facts... Seems to me that a lot of folks should opine less and study more.

Cheers.
 
Cheers to you too Havelock

Really, this ain't exactly rocket science, is it? Facts and evidence, evidence and facts... Seems to me that a lot of folks should opine less and study more.


Sorry, I am not equipped for rocket science, but data analysis? yeah, I can do that


Regards
Pace
 
When the teabaggers arrived in Congress, they tossed every remaining intellectual conservative under the bus and bejeweled their less intelligent minions with stupid, cheap, short-sentence talking points much in the tradition of George W Bush (although Bush was quite an improvement and actually had some compassion).

Won't last long Havelock. They're about to relegate themselves to the dustbin of history. I warned 'em a long time ago about their King Grover, but they weren't interested. And hence the election results: a referendum on voter suppression and a clear voice that there is a place for government in our lives.

Fine with me.. let 'em dig their grave. Less work for us! ;-)
 
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