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Mitt Romney's overseas trip revealed his clumsy grasp of protocol, diplomacy, social graces and message control, but what did it tell us about Romney's actual foreign policy positions?

Some are promoting the idea that the actual distance between the foreign policy positions of Romney and Obama aren't so great, once you get past the rhetoric. Fred Kaplan takes a closer look in this article:


Reckless Romney


First, on many issues, Romney has articulated no views at all, except contradictory ones. He has criticized Obama for withdrawing prematurely from Afghanistan, but has also said he’d abide by the same 2014 deadline (which NATO set at Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s request). He has blamed Obama for causing “the Arab winter” (as he calls it), but hasn’t explained how he would have handled the uprisings differently or controlled their outcomes any better. (Would he have bolstered Hosni Mubarak’s regime in Egypt? Funneled more aid to the rebels? In either case, how, and to what end?)

Second, there are many crucial issues on which the two disagree profoundly. Romney has denounced Russia as America’s “number-one geopolitical foe” and assailed the New START arms-reduction treaty as a danger to national security. U.S.-Russian relations aren’t without their tensions, but the realms of cooperation opened up by Obama’s “reset” policy—on trade, counterterrorism, nuclear nonproliferation, Iranian sanctions, among others—are well worth preserving. Romney has said he would declare China to be a “currency manipulator,” which could well unleash a trade war that we cannot afford. He has called for spending 4 percent of GNP on the military, as distinguished from Obama’s 3 percent, without saying how he would spend it or where he would get the extra $1 trillion over the next six years.

Not least, there is the issue of Iran. It is often stated that both Romney and Obama call for ratcheting up sanctions against Iran and for taking no military option “off the table.” But Romney went further than this on his European trip, or at least his senior foreign-policy adviser Dan Senor did. “If Israel has to take action on its own,” Senor said in a briefing before Romney’s speech in Jerusalem, “the governor would respect that decision.”
 
Mitt Romney's overseas trip revealed his clumsy grasp of protocol, diplomacy, social graces and message control, but what did it tell us about Romney's actual foreign policy positions?

Some are promoting the idea that the actual distance between the foreign policy positions of Romney and Obama aren't so great, once you get past the rhetoric. Fred Kaplan takes a closer look in this article:


Reckless Romney


First, on many issues, Romney has articulated no views at all, except contradictory ones. He has criticized Obama for withdrawing prematurely from Afghanistan, but has also said he’d abide by the same 2014 deadline (which NATO set at Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s request). He has blamed Obama for causing “the Arab winter” (as he calls it), but hasn’t explained how he would have handled the uprisings differently or controlled their outcomes any better. (Would he have bolstered Hosni Mubarak’s regime in Egypt? Funneled more aid to the rebels? In either case, how, and to what end?)

Second, there are many crucial issues on which the two disagree profoundly. Romney has denounced Russia as America’s “number-one geopolitical foe” and assailed the New START arms-reduction treaty as a danger to national security. U.S.-Russian relations aren’t without their tensions, but the realms of cooperation opened up by Obama’s “reset” policy—on trade, counterterrorism, nuclear nonproliferation, Iranian sanctions, among others—are well worth preserving. Romney has said he would declare China to be a “currency manipulator,” which could well unleash a trade war that we cannot afford. He has called for spending 4 percent of GNP on the military, as distinguished from Obama’s 3 percent, without saying how he would spend it or where he would get the extra $1 trillion over the next six years.

Not least, there is the issue of Iran. It is often stated that both Romney and Obama call for ratcheting up sanctions against Iran and for taking no military option “off the table.” But Romney went further than this on his European trip, or at least his senior foreign-policy adviser Dan Senor did. “If Israel has to take action on its own,” Senor said in a briefing before Romney’s speech in Jerusalem, “the governor would respect that decision.”


All it would take is a lot of words to articulate the differences more fairly between what Obama believes and has done and what Romney believes and would or might do. It is very easy to manipulate a message in a short excerpt. (Yes, both sides are good at that.)

Personally, I am all for taking risks and calling China on the carpet. I am all for causing price increases in the American markets if it means moving away from dependency on China and ceasing to pour money into their factories, etc. Sooner or later, and surely sooner, America will have to come to terms with its apocalyptic debt problem and the results will be catastrophic. Putting this off will only make it worse.


As far as Israel goes with respect to Iran and its not so hidden desires to procure weapons of mass destruction: Well, I had an “exchange” with a famous liberal on this board who speaks so boldly but then cowers away from addressing simple questions. (copied below)


[She:] “I suppose even Haaretz would be too polite to ask......unless Romney lets loose with the neocon dream of bombing Iran.”


[Me:] Based on the position you are taking, it seems you also must be saying that the USA’s concerns over Iran are not justified? In other words, the risk we take with repercussions by trying to prevent Iran from getting the nuclear bomb (be it bombing them or espionage) is far greater in magnitude, than the risk we take by not interfering with their work?

Maybe the likelihood of Iran using a nuclear bomb on Israel and / or the USA is not very high, but you appear to be willing to take that chance, while others like me are not. I doubt Romney or the military boys are eager for another fight based on their macho feeling of military superiority or whatever it is that drives their egos. I think it is more, “Can we trust the Iranian regime? Can we take that chance?”

Of course it will be extremely unpopular, preventive military measures are always questioned because it changes outcomes and no one can say for sure what might have happened had there been no intervention. I’m sure if England and France went in and destroyed Hitler and his military years before they invaded Poland, England and France would be vilified to this day for their “murderous ways.” Such decisions are always a calculated guess and a calculated risk.*


* Now don’t use Bush’s decision to invade Iraq as disproving my points. There are exceptions, plus sometimes the decision makers make the wrong ones.



[She:] "don't confuse the voices in your head with imagining what I'm thinking.”


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So edifying and enlightening. Bold start, but no courage to actually discuss anything.
 
Romney if elected, would sell out the Hawks....bout 95% sure of that. No matter how many neo-con advisors he surrounds himself with.

1. China. "Getting tough with China" is a hackneyed 20+ year old promise that every non-incumbent has made (even Clinton)....and everyone has broken. Dubya, to his credit, given his Dad's love of the Chinese, played it down. But to REALLY expect that Mitt Romney is going to "get tough" with China...and screw over DONORS like WAL-MART....is the height of naivete.

2. Russia. Ditto the above. For all his "New Cold War" rhetoric....Romney will work with Putin on arms deals. Even Reagan eventually gave up the "Bomb the Commies" talk and signed arms treaties.

3. Iran. Forget it. Mitt Romney is NOT going to green-light a massive (and it would have to be) attack on Iran, Iran's counter-response in the Gulf, and the inevitable spike in oil prices leading to $7-8-9 a gallon gas here in the US.....to satisfy Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer...and see himself become Herbert Hoover on steroids in 2016.
 
[The anal fornicators in the LeftMedia, The Unofficial Campaign To Re Elect Barack Obama, swings into action again. Remember them from 2008? When McCain nominated Sarah Palin, they started writing snide little vignettes about John McCain overdosing on Viagra. When Reverend Jeremiah Wrights anti Americanism coupled with his twenty year relationship with Barack Obama surfaced, John McCain's racism became a news media topic of the day. Then there was this marvelous little classic, John McCain's licentious relationship with a female lobbyist, articles for which the New York Times reached an out of court monetary settlement with one of the libeled parties shortly after the election concluded.]

"Romney’s foreign trip is the mainstream media’s coming out party in favor of Obama this electoral season, an obsessive nit-picking the likes of which Obama has not seen since ever.

John Hinderaker has it right:

The Most Striking Thing About Mitt Romney’s Overseas Trip…

…has been the press coverage. It has been hypercritical, to put it mildly….

By any reasonable standard, Romney’s trip has been successful. Yet press coverage has been unrelentingly negative. This AP story sums up the press’s angle well: “Another hiccup?

None of this will have any effect on the election, except insofar as Romney benefits with pro-Israel voters and with Polish-American and Catholic voters. But it is a useful reminder that the media-formerly-known-as-mainstream are still lying in wait, and will pounce on any opportunity to give the Obama campaign a boost."

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/0...r-on-romney-started-on-foreign-soil/?tw_p=twt
 
All it would take is a lot of words to articulate the differences more fairly between what Obama believes and has done and what Romney believes and would or might do. It is very easy to manipulate a message in a short excerpt.

There is a link to the entire article, if you care to read it.
 
As we see above, Rightwing Media (and even the "insurrectionist media" :) )

Is DESPERATELY trying to spin the Magical Insult Tour into a "success" and claiming all talk of it being a debacle is the "lib'rul media".

Problem there is....RIGHTwingers like Charles Krauthammer let the cat out of the bag, when Mitt blew it in the UK, and said Mitt would have been better off "saying nothing". So unless Chuckie on Fox, columnist for "National Review" is now the "lib'rul media"....it's a lie that won't fly.
 
No, it was a ROUSING success, tobacco.

He goes to Britain...insults the British...and then has to meekly "walk it back".

He goes to Israel...insults the Palestinians, whom he'd have to negotiate with as President...and then has to meekly "walk it back".

He goes to Poland, where he's greeted by people shouting "Obama! Obama!"...and angry and frustrated at the trip being a failure, his staffer attacks the press and says "Show some respect, kiss my ass".

I think Mitt should do ANOTHER of these "successful" foreign trips....right away. :)
 
No, it was a ROUSING success, tobacco.

He goes to Britain...insults the British...and then has to meekly "walk it back".

He goes to Israel...insults the Palestinians, whom he'd have to negotiate with as President...and then has to meekly "walk it back".

He goes to Poland, where he's greeted by people shouting "Obama! Obama!"...and angry and frustrated at the trip being a failure, his staffer attacks the press and says "Show some respect, kiss my ass".

I think Mitt should do ANOTHER of these "successful" foreign trips....right away. :)

OK the Press here have had fun with Mitt ;) It was just a bit of light relief though ..........When Obama was 'going for Gold' a few years ago, way back in the good old days of Slate ;-) He got in partly on a ticket of Peace, this is why he was so loved by the rest of the World. In reality nothing has changed, OK probably he has no power to change the War Machine. But he has broken our hearts, the World now sees the US as the enemy again, even those whom you drag along with you as so called allies do not trust you one inch ..........The people out here seem far more affected by the horrors of the Wars in relation to the people caught in the Wars, not just our own soldiers head count.
Mitt is just more scarry than Obama, that is all. Why his faux pas mattered is not so much that he insulted, Obama has insuted us far worse in his time. But that he didn't realise we are even people as he did it ............. he didn't think of us as people at all. That is what is so scarry about him he doesn't see people at all. Obama does to some extent and so, Neither when Prez may have very much to say about the War machine in reality but that tiny bit of sway they may have is better in the hands of a person with some humanity than one who has none.
 
President Obama has done exactly what he promised to do regarding our military obligations. We're out of Iraq and well on our way to getting out of Afghanistan.

Is he The Messiah? No.

Then again, I don't believe in Messiahs.
 
Kaplan is right

the last one I've pointed out in the last few days, is perhaps the most dangerous difference
 
War is esculating, there may be fewer of your soldiers on the ground but it all looks even more frightenly close to WWIII than it did when Obama came in ............... The interference of both our countries in the Arab Spring was/is treturous ......... Our allience with Israel sordid and nasty and very foolish ............

I just think Obama is more humane and therefore the Planet is a little safer in his hands as far as he has any control .................. I can't say anything other than the way I see it. The US is the most dangerous country in the World to the World.
 
Which nation has that sort of wisdom ? None ............... Pointless question we are where we are ......................it is a matter of knocking the War mongers off their throne of total madness.
 
Which nation has that sort of wisdom ? None ............... Pointless question we are where we are ......................it is a matter of knocking the War mongers off their throne of total madness.

I think the best that we can do is to nudge in a general direction.
 
I remember when they demanded her emails just like they are demanding to see Mitt's tax returns.
What did they find,

Zero
Nada
Nyet
Nil
Nuttin
 
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