Numbers

[Zam-Zam]

Proving once again, the easiest and most efficient way to make a politician look like a foolish blowhard is to quote them directly:

The number bounced around for years — 46 million.

President Obama said it in August 2009: “I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. In the wealthiest nation on Earth, 46 million of our fellow citizens have no coverage.”

He said it dozens more times, including in June 2013: “We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children.”

The Obama administration pumped the number with official reports. The White House Council of Economic Advisers said, “Perhaps the most visible sign of the need for health care reform is the 46 million Americans currently without health insurance.” The Census Bureau got in on the act, too, saying some 48 million Americans lacked health insurance.

It was official: Nearly 15 percent of America’s 313 million citizens had no coverage and were, as Mr. Obama loved to say over and over to hype the fear, “one illness away from financial ruin.”

So, he created Obamacare. The crux of the biscuit: The United States would completely change its entire health care system to make sure those 46 million got insured. Well, at least that’s what every rational American thought. If there are 46 million uninsured, and the president and Congress are overhauling the system, it must be to solve the whole problem — not just part of it.

But last week came word that with just 15 days left for people to enroll for federal coverage, just 4.2 million had. The math is simple: That’s just 9 percent of the supposedly 46 million uninsured.

“It will be a larger number than that by the end of March,” Mr. Obama promised in an interview with WebMD. “At this point, enough people are signing up that the Affordable Care Act is going to work.”

Still, the obvious question is: We changed the $2.7 trillion health care system to sign up 4.2 million people?


Complete text: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/16/curl-we-completely-overhauled-american-health-care/



Seems like a fair question. Don't hold your breath for an answer.

 

[resident_evil]

Proving once again, the easiest and most efficient way to make a politician look like a foolish blowhard is to quote them directly:
The number bounced around for years — 46 million.
President Obama said it in August 2009: “I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. In the wealthiest nation on Earth, 46 million of our fellow citizens have no coverage.”

He said it dozens more times, including in June 2013: “We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children.”

The Obama administration pumped the number with official reports. The White House Council of Economic Advisers said, “Perhaps the most visible sign of the need for health care reform is the 46 million Americans currently without health insurance.” The Census Bureau got in on the act, too, saying some 48 million Americans lacked health insurance.

It was official: Nearly 15 percent of America’s 313 million citizens had no coverage and were, as Mr. Obama loved to say over and over to hype the fear, “one illness away from financial ruin.”

So, he created Obamacare. The crux of the biscuit: The United States would completely change its entire health care system to make sure those 46 million got insured. Well, at least that’s what every rational American thought. If there are 46 million uninsured, and the president and Congress are overhauling the system, it must be to solve the whole problem — not just part of it.

But last week came word that with just 15 days left for people to enroll for federal coverage, just 4.2 million had. The math is simple: That’s just 9 percent of the supposedly 46 million uninsured.

“It will be a larger number than that by the end of March,” Mr. Obama promised in an interview with WebMD. “At this point, enough people are signing up that the Affordable Care Act is going to work.”

Still, the obvious question is: We changed the $2.7 trillion health care system to sign up 4.2 million people?


Complete text: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/16/curl-we-completely-overhauled-american-health-care/



Seems like a fair question. Don't hold your breath for an answer.

As understand many of those 4.2M had healthcare before Obamacare kicked them off coverage so that they would have to seek it again. So the number of newly insured is probably even less than 4.2M.

 

[Zam-Zam]

As understand many of those 4.2M had healthcare before Obamacare kicked them off coverage so that they would have to seek it again. So the number of newly insured is probably even less than 4.2M.

Yes, and then there's this:

What’s more, it turns out many of those signing up to the program already had insurance. “Few uninsured Americans are gaining coverage under Obamacare,” CNN reported in early March. Just 27 percent of the enrollees were previously uninsured, according to a survey conducted in February by McKinsey & Co.

To top it all off, reports have emerged that many of the enrollees are more elderly and more unhealthy, which is likely to tax the system heavily just as it gets started.


That wasn't the plan.......

 

[Dino]

Proving once again, the easiest and most efficient way to make a politician look like a foolish blowhard is to quote them directly:
The number bounced around for years — 46 million.
President Obama said it in August 2009: “I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. In the wealthiest nation on Earth, 46 million of our fellow citizens have no coverage.”

He said it dozens more times, including in June 2013: “We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children.”

The Obama administration pumped the number with official reports. The White House Council of Economic Advisers said, “Perhaps the most visible sign of the need for health care reform is the 46 million Americans currently without health insurance.” The Census Bureau got in on the act, too, saying some 48 million Americans lacked health insurance.

It was official: Nearly 15 percent of America’s 313 million citizens had no coverage and were, as Mr. Obama loved to say over and over to hype the fear, “one illness away from financial ruin.”

So, he created Obamacare. The crux of the biscuit: The United States would completely change its entire health care system to make sure those 46 million got insured. Well, at least that’s what every rational American thought. If there are 46 million uninsured, and the president and Congress are overhauling the system, it must be to solve the whole problem — not just part of it.

But last week came word that with just 15 days left for people to enroll for federal coverage, just 4.2 million had. The math is simple: That’s just 9 percent of the supposedly 46 million uninsured.

“It will be a larger number than that by the end of March,” Mr. Obama promised in an interview with WebMD. “At this point, enough people are signing up that the Affordable Care Act is going to work.”

Still, the obvious question is: We changed the $2.7 trillion health care system to sign up 4.2 million people?


Complete text: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/16/curl-we-completely-overhauled-american-health-care/



Seems like a fair question. Don't hold your breath for an answer.

This has been an astonishing failure, and on every level. From the rollout, the business mandate gap, the individual mandate now defused by exemption standards, the dropped coverages and the inability to bring enough "young money" to support the system, it has been a catastrophe.

We've created another unsupportable handout program already hitting the end of self-sustenance.

 

[Zam-Zam]

This has been an astonishing failure, and on every level. From the rollout, the business mandate gap, the individual mandate now defused by exemption standards, the dropped coverages and the inability to bring enough "young money" to support the system, it has been a catastrophe.

We've created another unsupportable handout program already hitting the end of self-sustenance.

How bad has it gotten?

This bad:

In a wonderfully timed plea, Mr. Obama is asking Americans to give him money so that he can push his signature policy.

“Chip in before it’s too late. What we do right now determines how aggressive we can make our final push for health care this month.” You can give $15 or $5,000. But your president is begging: “Make a donation — and let’s finish what we started.”



In other words, they know, and they're desperate.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

you don't report the numbers the admin. expected to sign up for ObamaCare this year. I know why you won't.
anyway, republican 'don't enroll' ads may be more successful than you imagined. allow me to offend your sensibilities by posting two of them for you.

 

[Dino]

you don't report the numbers the admin. expected to sign up for ObamaCare this year. I know why you won't.
anyway, republican 'don't enroll' ads may be more successful than you imagined. allow me to offend your sensibilities by posting two of them for you.

Go ahead and set us straight... what was it 7 million? Epic fail on that one too, so?

 

[JuliefromOhio]

Go ahead and set us straight... what was it 7 million? Epic fail on that one too, so?

see. that wasn't so hard to come up with a number.

 

[Dino]

see. that wasn't so hard to come up with a number.

So you admit the administration's failure? Is it beginning to dawn on you how this scheme is not going to work?

 

[ITALIA]

Proving once again, the easiest and most efficient way to make a politician look like a foolish blowhard is to quote them directly:
The number bounced around for years — 46 million.
President Obama said it in August 2009: “I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. In the wealthiest nation on Earth, 46 million of our fellow citizens have no coverage.”

He said it dozens more times, including in June 2013: “We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children.”

The Obama administration pumped the number with official reports. The White House Council of Economic Advisers said, “Perhaps the most visible sign of the need for health care reform is the 46 million Americans currently without health insurance.” The Census Bureau got in on the act, too, saying some 48 million Americans lacked health insurance.

It was official: Nearly 15 percent of America’s 313 million citizens had no coverage and were, as Mr. Obama loved to say over and over to hype the fear, “one illness away from financial ruin.”

So, he created Obamacare. The crux of the biscuit: The United States would completely change its entire health care system to make sure those 46 million got insured. Well, at least that’s what every rational American thought. If there are 46 million uninsured, and the president and Congress are overhauling the system, it must be to solve the whole problem — not just part of it.

But last week came word that with just 15 days left for people to enroll for federal coverage, just 4.2 million had. The math is simple: That’s just 9 percent of the supposedly 46 million uninsured.

“It will be a larger number than that by the end of March,” Mr. Obama promised in an interview with WebMD. “At this point, enough people are signing up that the Affordable Care Act is going to work.”

Still, the obvious question is: We changed the $2.7 trillion health care system to sign up 4.2 million people?


Complete text: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/16/curl-we-completely-overhauled-american-health-care/



Seems like a fair question. Don't hold your breath for an answer.

I didn't realize the fat lady had already sung. You mean there is only 2014 to signup? There will be no 2015-2016-2017-2018-2019-2020 and on and on?

 

[JuliefromOhio]

So you admit the administration's failure? Is it beginning to dawn on you how this scheme is not going to work?

it's already working.
of course, repubs are screwing the working poor in red states who won't have benefit of the ACA Medicaid expansion. that will change over time.....by pressure from business and hospitals.
are you a freeloader who has no health insurance and refuses to sign up?

 

[Zam-Zam]

see. that wasn't so hard to come up with a number.

That's quite an accomplishment. Set the bar low (7 million), and then still fail to meet even that threshold.

 

[Zam-Zam]

I didn't realize the fat lady had already sung. You mean there is only 2014 to signup? There will be no 2015-2016-2017-2018-2019-2020 and on and on?

Per "Obama Care Facts", in bold lettering with an (!) at the end, :

You have until March 31st at the latest to enroll in a plan to avoid owing the per-month fee for not having health insurance in 2014!


And then there's this:



Kathleen Sebelius: Exchange enrollment goal is 7 million by end of March


http://www.politico.com/story/2013/...xchange-goal-is-7-million-by-march-93301.html

Take it up with her.

 

[Dino]

it's already working.
of course, repubs are screwing the working poor in red states who won't have benefit of the ACA Medicaid expansion. that will change over time.....by pressure from business and hospitals.
are you a freeloader who has no health insurance and refuses to sign up?

There's no such thing as a "freeloader who has no health insurance and refuses to sign up". Signing up is mandatory by law, isn't it?

 

[JuliefromOhio]

maybe the Koch Bros/AFP "don't enroll" ads aren't working as well as you might have hoped.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bruceja...gree-with-obama-that-aca-has-enough-enrolled/

 

[JuliefromOhio]

There's no such thing as a "freeloader who has no health insurance and refuses to sign up". Signing up is mandatory by law, isn't it?

if the uninsured person suffers a medical catastrophe and can't pay for his/her care, we taxpayers will pick up the tab. that's a freeloader.
remember, we still have Reagan's EMTALA.

 

[Zam-Zam]

There's no such thing as a "freeloader who has no health insurance and refuses to sign up". Signing up is mandatory by law, isn't it?

Yes and no. You can refuse to sign up and suffer a tax penalty as a result. The numbers would seem to indicate a considerable number of people are opting to do just that.

 

[Dino]

if the uninsured person suffers a medical catastrophe and can't pay for his/her care, we taxpayers will pick up the tab. that's a freeloader.
remember, we still have Reagan's EMTALA.

That's what Obama fixed.

Don't you feel SO much better now?

 

[ITALIA]

Per "Obama Care Facts", in bold lettering with an (!) at the end, :
You have until March 31st at the latest to enroll in a plan to avoid owing the per-month fee for not having health insurance in 2014!


And then there's this:

Kathleen Sebelius: Exchange enrollment goal is 7 million by end of March

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/...xchange-goal-is-7-million-by-march-93301.html

Take it up with her.

Why do you insist this is a one year program like it comes to a complete end March 31, 2014? This is like SS, Medicare, Medicare Part D, Medicaid that will continue on year after year after year. BTW Medicaid signups don't end for the year on March 31 but continue on with no interruption.

 

[Zam-Zam]

Why do you insist this is a one year program like it comes to a complete end March 31, 2014? This is like SS, Medicare, Medicare Part D, Medicaid that will continue on year after year after year. BTW Medicaid signups don't end for the year on March 31 but continue on with no interruption.

The administration set the goal. The administration set the deadline. They're the ones doing the 'insisting'. Take your complaint to them.