Oh, come ON, people! Enough is enough!
- Thread starter Barbella
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Longshoremen were paid hourly wages
of $19.63 to $34.58 for regular work and $35.08 to $50.90 per hour for overtime, according to a PayScale survey of 61 people in this occupation that was updated in September 2010. Including bonuses of $1,500 to $11,504, the total annual wages reported by longshoremen in the survey ranged from $50,393 to $99,907.
Barbella
Senator
According to this chart, base salary is on average over $60k/year, plus overtime, of course.
http://www.salaryexpert.com/index.c...alary-data-details&cityid=300&positionid=2359
http://www.salaryexpert.com/index.c...alary-data-details&cityid=300&positionid=2359
Right...about $30 per hour for full time work...
Plus...it might take a worker 5-10 years of casual work until they get into the union...
TomFitz
Mayor
That's the part that anti union folks always leave out. There are relatively few of the sort of high paying union jobs that they are always going on about. And they're hard to get.
Ironically, we have a number of right wingers posting anti union stuff here who are retired governemnt workers (many Federal). They have benefits that make what longshormen make pale by comparison. And not one of them ever unloaded a ship, swung a hammer, or worked on a line.
Ironically, we have a number of right wingers posting anti union stuff here who are retired governemnt workers (many Federal). They have benefits that make what longshormen make pale by comparison. And not one of them ever unloaded a ship, swung a hammer, or worked on a line.
Bo-4
Senator
Simply assuming Barb's number is correct.. didn't say it was easy work guys.. in fact i imagine it can be fairly brutal both physically and weather wise at times.
East Coast workers already earning more than $50 an hour.
And the actual work is demanding and done in all weather...
One has to have proven themselves as a "casual" before they get the union gig...
...Casuals are required to pick up and park a 40-foot shipping container between two other containers and drive an obstacle course, all within 15 minutes. Lashing Test Is a Big Hurdle for Women They also must place and remove 18 lashing bars on a stack of shipping containers within 13 minutes. One dropped bar means failure. Lashing is one of the more arduous longshore tasks. Shipping containers are secured to the deck with heavy steel bars and turnbuckles, which must be placed by hand.
The longest bar is 20 feet and weighs 53 pounds. Turnbuckles weigh almost as much and can be hard to tighten if corroded. Working with such gear all day is like six to eight hours of pumping iron. http://www.ilwu19.com/casuals.htm
And the casuals make about $20 p/h...no bennies, no overtime and no guarantees of work.
Z
zzigzzag
Guest
What do you think Obama should do about it?
(Just want to get you on record....you know....in case he does what you recommend, it fails, and you have to re-manufacture an opinion.)
(Just want to get you on record....you know....in case he does what you recommend, it fails, and you have to re-manufacture an opinion.)
Bo-4
Senator
Here are some 2002 numbers.. but there are definitely some conflicting numbers on the web. I think it's safe to say that the AVERAGE wage is an easy six figures.
West Coast Longshoremen
In early 2002, West Coast ports shut down as the longshoremen's union fought to preserve generous health-care benefits that would make most Americans drool. The union didn't demand much in wage hikes for good reason: Its members already were making a boatload of money.
Next year, West Coast dockworkers will earn an average of $112,000 for handling cargo, according to the Pacific Maritime Association, their employer. Office clerks who log shipping records into computers will earn $136,000. And unionized foremen who oversee the rank-and-file will pull down an average $177,000.
Unlike their East Coast union brethren who compete with non-union ports in the South and Gulf of Mexico, the West Coast stevedores have an ironfisted lock on Pacific ports. Given their rare monopoly, they can disrupt U.S. commerce -- as they did during the FDR years -- and command exorbitant wages, even though their work is more automated and less hazardous than in the days of "On the Waterfront."
West Coast Longshoremen
In early 2002, West Coast ports shut down as the longshoremen's union fought to preserve generous health-care benefits that would make most Americans drool. The union didn't demand much in wage hikes for good reason: Its members already were making a boatload of money.
Next year, West Coast dockworkers will earn an average of $112,000 for handling cargo, according to the Pacific Maritime Association, their employer. Office clerks who log shipping records into computers will earn $136,000. And unionized foremen who oversee the rank-and-file will pull down an average $177,000.
Unlike their East Coast union brethren who compete with non-union ports in the South and Gulf of Mexico, the West Coast stevedores have an ironfisted lock on Pacific ports. Given their rare monopoly, they can disrupt U.S. commerce -- as they did during the FDR years -- and command exorbitant wages, even though their work is more automated and less hazardous than in the days of "On the Waterfront."
