On being evil.

[resident_evil]

The most compelling indicator of how evil this country has become isn't that Planned Parenthood has defenders who have NOT watched the videos but Planned Parenthood has defenders who actually HAVE watched the videos. And this is regardless of alleged criminality. The morality on exhibition is putrid and vile.

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/13/9140849/planned-parenthood-videos-unedited

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/it-turns-out-those-full-and-unedited-videosarent


Dread evil stalks this nation's children.

 

[Spamature]

The most compelling indicator of how evil this country has become isn't that Planned Parenthood has defenders who have NOT watched the videos but Planned Parenthood has defenders who actually HAVE watched the videos. And this is regardless of alleged criminality. The morality on exhibition is putrid and vile.

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/13/9140849/planned-parenthood-videos-unedited

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/it-turns-out-those-full-and-unedited-videosarent


Dread evil stalks this nation's children.

Would unedited videos of the aftermath of dead civilians from the Iraq war change you mind about whether it should have been done ?
In other words to you have one standard or two ?

 

[gigi]

The most compelling indicator of how evil this country has become isn't that Planned Parenthood has defenders who have NOT watched the videos but Planned Parenthood has defenders who actually HAVE watched the videos. And this is regardless of alleged criminality. The morality on exhibition is putrid and vile.

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/13/9140849/planned-parenthood-videos-unedited

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/it-turns-out-those-full-and-unedited-videosarent


Dread evil stalks this nation's children.

They're not the majority, RE. And they're frantic.

 

[gigi]

Would unedited videos of the aftermath of dead civilians from the Iraq war change you mind about whether it should have been done ?
In other words to you have one standard or two ?

I don' t think we should have gone there at all. Killing is killing is killing. But what's your point? Are you devastated by the pictures of dead civilians? Are you devastated by the pictures of these torn apart fetuses, too, or do you have two standards?

 

[Jen]

The most compelling indicator of how evil this country has become isn't that Planned Parenthood has defenders who have NOT watched the videos but Planned Parenthood has defenders who actually HAVE watched the videos. And this is regardless of alleged criminality. The morality on exhibition is putrid and vile.

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/13/9140849/planned-parenthood-videos-unedited

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/it-turns-out-those-full-and-unedited-videosarent


Dread evil stalks this nation's children.

And those who support Planned Parenthood use every round about skirting the issue, attacking anyone that wants PP defunded to not have to address what is happening. We can spend hours with them denying what is happening.

I wish that those who still back PP would just own that they are fine with horrific things being done to baby parts. Call it whatever you wish.......... "donating", "selling", "donating with a contribution" (which can't be counted as selling of course).............whatever. If someone is good with doing that to a dead baby killed at the hands of a mother and a practitioner.................. they should just say "What difference does it make?" and admit that they are that dread evil you are talking about.

 

[gigi]

And those who support Planned Parenthood use every round about skirting the issue, attacking anyone that wants PP defunded to not have to address what is happening. We can spend hours with them denying what is happening.

I wish that those who still back PP would just own that they are fine with horrific things being done to baby parts. Call it whatever you wish.......... "donating", "selling", "donating with a contribution" (which can't be counted as selling of course).............whatever. If someone is good with doing that to a dead baby killed at the hands of a mother and a practitioner.................. they should just say "What difference does it make?" and admit that they are that dread evil you are talking about.

People have said, in effect, what difference does it make. People here, too. They do that by asking 'would you rather it just be discarded instead of being used to save lives?"
They prefer to liken these murdered children to people who die of natural causes and are then harvested for organ donation or research.

Then there are some folks who admit abortion is evil but want it to be an available choice anyway. And to those I would ask, why do you care what happens to these children after they've been killed? I would ask them, too, how can you stand behind a choice to kill an unborn child but be appalled at what's done with a lifeless body that's a result of an action you agree should be allowed?

 

[Spamature]

I don' t think we should have gone there at all. Killing is killing is killing. But what's your point? Are you devastated by the pictures of dead civilians? Are you devastated by the pictures of these torn apart fetuses, too, or do you have two standards?

No I don't have a double standard. I don't think seeing war or abortion would change my opinion on either. I think we should do what we can to prevent the need for either and not doing so is the real failure.

 

[gigi]

No I don't have a double standard. I don't think seeing war or abortion would change my opinion on either. I think we should do what we can to prevent the need for either and not doing so is the real failure.

That's great. But RE wrote a post about people right here in America turning a blind eye that is the carnage of abortion and you brought up the Iraq war.
Start a thread. Let's talk about the Iraq war.

 

[Jen]

People have said, in effect, what difference does it make. People here, too. They do that by asking 'would you rather it just be discarded instead of being used to save lives?"
They prefer to liken these murdered children to people who die of natural causes and are then harvested for organ donation or research.

Then there are some folks who admit abortion is evil but want it to be an available choice anyway. And to those I would ask, why do you care what happens to these children after they've been killed? I would ask them, too, how can you stand behind a choice to kill an unborn child but be appalled at what's done with a lifeless body that's a result of an action you agree should be allowed?

My perspective on abortion has changed and is changing as a result of this PP thing. I have always thought abortion was wrong but allowed for the legalization of it since it seems obvious to me that our government is not a Christian one.

I don't think I can do that anymore. This makes me sick. I don't think we can change what our government has made legal. But abortion is wrong. And it should not be legal. I just don't think I can be pro-choice anymore. I wrote just last night (to Julie) that I am in favor of legal abortion up until the 13th week. I was 13 weeks pregnant when, in an ultrasound, we discovered we were having twins. We discovered it by counting legs and arms. Those were no lumps of cells. They were babies. After I wrote that last night...........I gave it some deep thought. I'm just not pro-choice at all. It is disturbing for baby killing to be legal at any point.

 

[gigi]

My perspective on abortion has changed and is changing as a result of this PP thing. I have always thought abortion was wrong but allowed for the legalization of it since it seems obvious to me that our government is not a Christian one.

I don't think I can do that anymore. This makes me sick. I don't think we can change what our government has made legal. But abortion is wrong. And it should not be legal. I just don't think I can be pro-choice anymore. I wrote just last night (to Julie) that I am in favor of legal abortion up until the 13th week. I was 13 weeks pregnant when, in an ultrasound, we discovered we were having twins. We discovered it by counting legs and arms. Those were no lumps of cells. They were babies. After I wrote that last night...........I gave it some deep thought. I'm just not pro-choice at all. It is disturbing for baby killing to be legal at any point.

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You know, last night I started to type to you that you sounded like you were on the fence and about to jump off onto the correct side. But I deleted it because I thought it would insult you.

Your reaction to these videos isn't so uncommon. You have plenty of company among people who felt one way until they saw
those videos. Keep thinking.

 

[resident_evil]

Would unedited videos of the aftermath of dead civilians from the Iraq war change you mind about whether it should have been done ?
In other words to you have one standard or two ?

This is a completely subjective and irrational statement you've made. What civilians? How many civilians? Are you talking about the millions of children murdered by sanctions before Iraq was invaded? You know the sanctions you wanted to leave in place forever?

Or are you talking about Sunni Iraqis killing Shia Iraqis and vice versa in blood vendettas? You know the kind of killing that the Iraqi people bear blame for and nobody else.

 

[resident_evil]

They're not the majority, RE. And they're frantic.

Let's hope you're doubly right. :0)

 

[Jen]

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You know, last night I started to type to you that you sounded like you were on the fence and about to jump off onto the correct side. But I deleted it because I thought it would insult you.

Your reaction to these videos isn't so uncommon. You have plenty of company among people who felt one way until they saw
those videos. Keep thinking.

I think it had to be in my own time. Thank you, though, for the thought. It means a lot.

This doesn't mean I don't have compassion for the 12 year old raped by her stepfather and is now pregnant, or the woman who is pregnant and discovers she has cancer that must be treated immediately to save her life - but it will damage the baby she is carrying. I won't judge someone in that situation. But what we have discovered about PP makes me physically ill - as does the thought of the millions of babies who have been killed for selfish reasons...... makes it so that I understand that I can't have it both ways. Either I am against abortion or I am for it and I am definitely against it. And I am at peace with that decision. I hope others make the same changes.

 

[Spamature]

This is a completely subjective and irrational statement you've made. What civilians? How many civilians? Are you talking about the millions of children murdered by sanctions before Iraq was invaded? You know the sanctions you wanted to leave in place forever?

Or are you talking about Sunni Iraqis killing Shia Iraqis and vice versa in blood vendettas? You know the kind of killing that the Iraqi people bear blame for and nobody else.

Every ever loving bit of it. This pretense that others who wouldn't change their minds after watch a video are any different than you are is pure crap.

 

[resident_evil]

Every ever loving bit of it. This pretense that others who wouldn't change their minds after watch a video are any different than you are is pure crap.

you didn't answer the question. which deaths concern you?.

 

[Spamature]

you didn't answer the question. which deaths concern you?.

You didn't answer mine.

 

[resident_evil]

You didn't answer mine.

I did answer you. I said the deaths you're talking about are fictional until you say which ones you're talking about specifically.

 

[Caroljo]

Would unedited videos of the aftermath of dead civilians from the Iraq war change you mind about whether it should have been done ?
In other words to you have one standard or two ?

Are those unedited videos possibly propaganda? I know for a fact that MANY Iraqi women and children died at the hands of their own people. Car bombs killed many innocent people....and our military doesn't use car bombs! That's what killed so many innocent people. For you to make the suggestion that it was our Military that killed ALL those people, makes me sick. You don't know what went on, you just listen to what your leaders tell you what to think.