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On Jerusalem

imreallyperplexed

imreallyperplexed

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One of the major stumbling blocks to a specifically Palestinean/Israeli peace treaty and more generally to a rapprochment between Judaism and Islam generally is the status of the city of Jerusalem. Though West Jerusalem is generally conceded to the Israelis, the status of East Jerusalem (or Al-Quds in Arabic) is much disputed. Furthermore - and as importantly in my mind - Jerusalem is a holy city in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_significance_of_Jerusalem

One proposal that has come up persistently since the creation of the state of Israel in 1948 is making Jerusalem an international city open to everyone and to all faiths. Personally, I think that this is the best solution to disputes about Jerusalem. None of the Abrahamic religions could claim primacy over Jerusalem. Each of these religions would share the city. Here is an example of a discussion of this question from 2001.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/1638968.stm

As this discussion, making Jerusalem an international city would be a daunting (if not impossible) task. Nevertheless, it is a solution that - in principle - makes sense to me. Comments?
 
If we nuked Jerusalem, world peace would have a chance. Anything short of that, and that city will give rise to fighting and war. Kind of ironic for the city of Peace. In one corner you have a billion Christians who want to conquer it. In another corner you have a billion muslems who rightfully owned it. And in another corner you have these zionists with all the world's money who want to steal it as a prize jewel amongst their world conquest. If you want to have peace in the city of Peace, you have to figure out how to tamp down three very large political appetites for the city. It would be a lot easier to just nuke it.
 
Radical, but about as likely as the three religions 'sharing' the city peacefully. As long as religion controls government, you will have this situation...and Judaism and Islam control the governments in ME. Catholicism controlled government in Europe, and it was constant war...remember the 'holy roman empire'? Remember the crusades? Nothing has changed. 'Christians' are trying to take over the US government.
 
The 'international city' would be the best solution, but who on Earth (literally) would be able to accomplish that?
 
my sarcasm exactly... you think we have divisions in American politics? Jerusalem is a city divided beyond all possible negotiations. There's a catholic quarter, an Armenian quarter, a Muslim quarter, and a Jewish quarter... and they won't even talk to each other; and they live together! That's the very heart of the city... it couldn't be more divided.
 
Any benevolent dictator worth his (or her) salt could implement a just and reasonable solution -- so long as there are no competing benevolent dictators with armies at their disposal.
 
The main threat, given Israel holds it, is the declared goal of radical Christian zionists and Orthodox Jews to "purge" the city of anything Islamic.....buildings OR people....so as to "hurry the return/arrival of the Messiah".
 
That is a real problem in my view. I suspect that Muslims - as a group - have less easy access to holy sights in Jerusalem as it is. (Don't know this for sure. But it is what I would expect to be the case.)

GordonGecko said:
The main threat, given Israel holds it, is the declared goal of radical Christian zionists and Orthodox Jews to "purge" the city of anything Islamic.....buildings OR people....so as to "hurry the return/arrival of the Messiah".
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And to think we are all striving for the same thing,but are blinded by,'Religion.'

This last week I found a very good answer to my problem.

Corinthians,2ND Chapter,5Th verse.' That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of man,but in the wisdom of God!"
 
Like Marxism, this is a GREAT idea.

On paper.

Getting it done, and maintaining the peace...well, that's where it gets complicated.

First off...WHO will actually RUN such an International city? Whoever takes control, there will be at least THREE other groups who have a major problem with that.....

Then, WHO pays for it? WHO collects taxes? HOW do those who run an International Jerusalem deal with the gazillions of personal issues/problems, etc. raised by a plethora of "factions" within the city????

Hell, ask our Mods HERE how difficult it is in maintaining the Peace.....

(Doing so in Jerusalem, would be just a tad bit more difficult than Political Jack, I do believe....)
 
Doc said:
Like Marxism, this is a GREAT idea.

On paper.

Getting it done, and maintaining the peace...well, that's where it gets complicated.

First off...WHO will actually RUN such an International city? Whoever takes control, there will be at least THREE other groups who have a major problem with that.....

Then, WHO pays for it? WHO collects taxes? HOW do those who run an International Jerusalem deal with the gazillions of personal issues/problems, etc. raised by a plethora of "factions" within the city????

Hell, ask our Mods HERE how difficult it is in maintaining the Peace.....

(Doing so in Jerusalem, would be just a tad bit more difficult than Political Jack, I do believe....)
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I hate to say it Doc,but I agree with you. Wonder if we could put our Congress in charge? Sarcasm intended.
 
Doc,

I certainly agree with you that an international city would be very hard if not impossible to realize in practice. (I think that I said that.) The main reason that I raised it was as an "ideal" to shoot for (with the full realization that any concrete implementation would fall short of the ideal.)

Doc said:
Like Marxism, this is a GREAT idea.

On paper.

Getting it done, and maintaining the peace...well, that's where it gets complicated.

First off...WHO will actually RUN such an International city? Whoever takes control, there will be at least THREE other groups who have a major problem with that.....

Then, WHO pays for it? WHO collects taxes? HOW do those who run an International Jerusalem deal with the gazillions of personal issues/problems, etc. raised by a plethora of "factions" within the city????

Hell, ask our Mods HERE how difficult it is in maintaining the Peace.....

(Doing so in Jerusalem, would be just a tad bit more difficult than Political Jack, I do believe....)
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MaryAnne said:
Yes,Queenie,and all this is done under the name,'Religion!'
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What we miss within the Dogmas, above all else, I think, is the accepted and protected and nurtured levels of 'spiritualality' and our equality therein, for want of better words or phrases.

If we catogorize through 'levels' rather than religion it is all the more clearer. Fundis under any name are simply fundis who are NOT religious, not intitates/immortals on any level but the one outside religion.
 
It would be a GREAT "ideal."

For all of Humanity.

The only problem: Humanity.
 
Well, to look on the bright side, the fact that you and I sometimes agree on some things seems to be a reason to have some hope for humanity.

Though I certainly recognize the frailties, cruelties, and irrationalities of human beings, I am not quite as down on humanity (in general) as you seem to be.

Doc said:
It would be a GREAT "ideal."

For all of Humanity.

The only problem: Humanity.
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