One problem with Detroit

[Wahbooz]

People seem to think it's corruption or Democrats. Has anyone ever considered outside forces are not helping?

Illegal dumping is a serious problem in Detroit, and has been for years. But these days it's gotten worse as fire and police have been cut to the bone. Companies from outside the city dumping within the city.

http://www.freep.com/article/20100415/NEWS05/4150430/Illegal-dumping-fight-Detroit-heats-up

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/tire-dumping-in-detroit-mountain-of-a-mess

It's one hell of a lot more than tires, it's contractors as well.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...it/-/1719418/19467700/-/14fyhefz/-/index.html

So how do they solve financial problems while they are being constantly shit on?

 

[Dino]

This is like saying the problem with the flipped-over car on fire is the untidy glove compartment.

 

[Wahbooz]

This is like saying the problem with the flipped-over car on fire is the untidy glove compartment.

Another snide remark from the peanut gallery? Do you think all the trash magically picks itself up and moves to a landfill? Or do you think city revenues have to pay for cleanup?

Try to be intelligent.

 

[American Patriot]

People seem to think it's corruption or Democrats. Has anyone ever considered outside forces are not helping?

Illegal dumping is a serious problem in Detroit, and has been for years. But these days it's gotten worse as fire and police have been cut to the bone. Companies from outside the city dumping within the city.

http://www.freep.com/article/20100415/NEWS05/4150430/Illegal-dumping-fight-Detroit-heats-up

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/tire-dumping-in-detroit-mountain-of-a-mess

It's one hell of a lot more than tires, it's contractors as well.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...it/-/1719418/19467700/-/14fyhefz/-/index.html

So how do they solve financial problems while they are being constantly shit on?

Here is a hint: The Democrats turned Detroit into a dump.

 

[Wahbooz]

Here is a hint: The Democrats turned Detroit into a dump.

Another idiotic response, and I'm not surprised.

 

[EatTheRich]

How many nearby communities have no homeless shelters, because they don't want homeless people in their communities? When people in those communities lose their homes, where do they go, and who picks up the tab? How many nearby communities have no drug and alcohol treatment facilities, because they don't want to spend their tax dollars bringing a bunch of druggies to town? When people in those communities develop serious addiction problems, where do they go, and who picks up the tab?

 

[Wahbooz]

How many nearby communities have no homeless shelters, because they don't want homeless people in their communities? When people in those communities lose their homes, where do they go, and who picks up the tab? How many nearby communities have no drug and alcohol treatment facilities, because they don't want to spend their tax dollars bringing a bunch of druggies to town? When people in those communities develop serious addiction problems, where do they go, and who picks up the tab?

The mayors of some communities shut down homeless shelters, as if magically that is how we rid the nation of the homeless problem. And all those people saying 'gubmint' shouldn't be picking up the tab, charities should. Well the Salvation army for example operates on a shoestring, since donations are down.

 

[Days]

I moved out to the suburbs in Chicago penniless. But I moved, hoping desperately to survive, because I understood it was location, location, location that was going to save my kid, and it worked. He's now carrying a 3.75 gpa at a good high school, and we can attend DuPage Community College (the best in the state) for cheap, and it isn't far away, very much in reach. We rent, I never fell for the housing stint, of course, I was a professional and saw it all coming. So here's the irony; all the churches throughout all these rich suthwest suburbs are FILLED with homeless people at night. Those would be the home owners who were living here when I tried desperately just to rent here.

Detroit has all the problems that come with poverty. It has one thing going for it; the city is emptying out. But filing bankruptcy is going to gut it. The dumbass governor does not understand the difference between a 400 year old city and a corporation with stock holders.

Cry for Detroit. she has sinned and she is getting the stuffing beat out of her.

 

[JackDallas]

People seem to think it's corruption or Democrats. Has anyone ever considered outside forces are not helping?

Illegal dumping is a serious problem in Detroit, and has been for years. But these days it's gotten worse as fire and police have been cut to the bone. Companies from outside the city dumping within the city.

http://www.freep.com/article/20100415/NEWS05/4150430/Illegal-dumping-fight-Detroit-heats-up

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/tire-dumping-in-detroit-mountain-of-a-mess

It's one hell of a lot more than tires, it's contractors as well.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...it/-/1719418/19467700/-/14fyhefz/-/index.html

So how do they solve financial problems while they are being constantly shit on?

Nah, I'm sticking with the corrupt Democrats theory.

 

[JackDallas]

Another idiotic response, and I'm not surprised.

And yet it's true.

 

[JackDallas]

I moved out to the suburbs in Chicago penniless. But I moved, hoping desperately to survive, because I understood it was location, location, location that was going to save my kid, and it worked. He's now carrying a 3.75 gpa at a good high school, and we can attend DuPage Community College (the best in the state) for cheap, and it isn't far away, very much in reach. We rent, I never fell for the housing stint, of course, I was a professional and saw it all coming. So here's the irony; all the churches throughout all these rich suthwest suburbs are FILLED with homeless people at night. Those would be the home owners who were living here when I tried desperately just to rent here.

Detroit has all the problems that come with poverty. It has one thing going for it; the city is emptying out. But filing bankruptcy is going to gut it. The dumbass governor does not understand the difference between a 400 year old city and a corporation with stock holders.

Cry for Detroit. she has sinned and she is getting the stuffing beat out of her.

I'd like to see a nice garden growing where Detroit used to be.

 

[NCmusicman]

Detroit Democrats thrived on poverty and welfare roll dependency... hated businesses, demanded doctors pay for windshield installers, and let the minority family disintegrate before their eyes. I visited Detroit several years ago and it was easy to discern right away that Detroit needs many bulldozers to improve Detroit .. and some school discpline to help out the English teachers.

 

[PhilFish]

How many nearby communities have no homeless shelters, because they don't want homeless people in their communities? When people in those communities lose their homes, where do they go, and who picks up the tab? How many nearby communities have no drug and alcohol treatment facilities, because they don't want to spend their tax dollars bringing a bunch of druggies to town? When people in those communities develop serious addiction problems, where do they go, and who picks up the tab?

odd semantics IMO. What if they don't have homeless or druggies in their community, as opposed to the dont want angle?

 

[Arkady]

How many nearby communities have no homeless shelters, because they don't want homeless people in their communities? When people in those communities lose their homes, where do they go, and who picks up the tab? How many nearby communities have no drug and alcohol treatment facilities, because they don't want to spend their tax dollars bringing a bunch of druggies to town? When people in those communities develop serious addiction problems, where do they go, and who picks up the tab?

This sort of feeds into another observation. That study I linked to about which cities had the best economic mobility pointed out that, other things being equal, one of the biggest factors in economic mobility was mixed-income housing. When a community consists of separate "nice neighborhoods" and "slums," the slums tend to become a vicious cycle for those trapped in them. When there's an effort to mix communities, the poor have good examples, better schools, and social connections they can use to make a better life for themselves (and the rich have more reason to invest in poverty mitigation and fixing social problems).

That's the kind of thing you're talking about. If you have nice Detroit suburbs that effectively "outsource" their problems to Detroit, whether it be garbage, the homeless, druggies, or what have you, it creates a vicious cycle in Detroit, and it makes it easier for those suburbs to neglect the problems they're creating, which they don't have to confront on their own street corners.

 

[PhilFish]

This sort of feeds into another observation. That study I linked to about which cities had the best economic mobility pointed out that, other things being equal, one of the biggest factors in economic mobility was mixed-income housing. When a community consists of separate "nice neighborhoods" and "slums," the slums tend to become a vicious cycle for those trapped in them. When there's an effort to mix communities, the poor have good examples, better schools, and social connections they can use to make a better life for themselves (and the rich have more reason to invest in poverty mitigation and fixing social problems).

That's the kind of thing you're talking about. If you have nice Detroit suburbs that effectively "outsource" their problems to Detroit, whether it be garbage, the homeless, druggies, or what have you, it creates a vicious cycle in Detroit, and it makes it easier for those suburbs to neglect the problems they're creating, which they don't have to confront on their own street corners.

I dont follow the 'outsource their problems' angle. Ostensibly, those persons in the suburbs may not be experiencing these problems (or at least to a lesser degree). Would that not have been the impetus for moving to the suburbs, that, coupled with perhaps a rising wage, etc prompting them to want to better their circumstances.

While the effect that this removal of income and subsequent tax revenue has on a city is uncontestible. The way I read this post I surmise that somehow there is a desire to pin the blame for drug addiction, and so forth on the suburbanite...heralding them as the proximate cause.

Correct me if I am off...

 

[EatTheRich]

odd semantics IMO. What if they don't have homeless or druggies in their community, as opposed to the dont want angle?

Homelessness is an inevitable part of the capitalist system, bred by a competition deliberately designed to drive housing prices up. Any town or community of larger size is going to produce homelessness as people lose their jobs, have unexpected financial needs, etc. The majority of Americans, in fact, are 2 lost paychecks and a major illness away from homelessness, and over 50 million of us are 1 lost paycheck away from homelessness. There are no communities that do not have homelessness, only communities that don't take care of the homeless.

Drug abuse is very common in the United States, and the traffic in drugs like cocaine, heroin, Oxycontin, and meth is a multimillion-dollar industry. Alcohol is an even bigger industry, and causes more obvious social disruption than these other drugs. There are no communities that do not have addicts, only communities that don't take care of the addicts.

 

[marvin martian]

How many nearby communities have no homeless shelters, because they don't want homeless people in their communities? When people in those communities lose their homes, where do they go, and who picks up the tab? How many nearby communities have no drug and alcohol treatment facilities, because they don't want to spend their tax dollars bringing a bunch of druggies to town? When people in those communities develop serious addiction problems, where do they go, and who picks up the tab?

Ah, that's the eternal question for lefty: Who's going to pick up the tab? If you choose to use drugs and then become addicted (yes, it's a choice to use drugs), then you should be responsible for the costs of cleaning yourself up as well as repairing any damage you do to others. It's called personal responsibility, something the "leaders" of Detroit and other hellholes like it sorely lack...

 

[Drumcollie]

Another snide remark from the peanut gallery? Do you think all the trash magically picks itself up and moves to a landfill? Or do you think city revenues have to pay for cleanup?

Try to be intelligent.

A a member of the National Peanut Gallery Society Committee Member, snide or other remarks are legal and having license to make such remarks is not just an obligation but a duty. That being said.......

When you take a city which has been run by Democrats since 1962 it is the Democrats fault...the last time a Republican was mayor of detroit...it was fine!

 

[Wahbooz]

I moved out to the suburbs in Chicago penniless. But I moved, hoping desperately to survive, because I understood it was location, location, location that was going to save my kid, and it worked. He's now carrying a 3.75 gpa at a good high school, and we can attend DuPage Community College (the best in the state) for cheap, and it isn't far away, very much in reach. We rent, I never fell for the housing stint, of course, I was a professional and saw it all coming. So here's the irony; all the churches throughout all these rich suthwest suburbs are FILLED with homeless people at night. Those would be the home owners who were living here when I tried desperately just to rent here.

Detroit has all the problems that come with poverty. It has one thing going for it; the city is emptying out. But filing bankruptcy is going to gut it. The dumbass governor does not understand the difference between a 400 year old city and a corporation with stock holders.

Cry for Detroit. she has sinned and she is getting the stuffing beat out of her.

Detroit didn't sin, Days, Detroit is only a place. People sinned.

 

[Wahbooz]

A a member of the National Peanut Gallery Society Committee Member, snide or other remarks are legal and having license to make such remarks is not just an obligation but a duty. That being said.......

When you take a city which has been run by Democrats since 1962 it is the Democrats fault...the last time a Republican was mayor of detroit...it was fine!

Isn't that interesting. Detroit was fine...... it was smouldering with racism, segregation, and distrust, but it was fine. I'm not at all surprised by the peanut gallery comment.

That being said, you might see yourself as having a right and a license; but you are still dust, and as dust you blow in the wind.