Onward Destroyers....
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marvin martian
Emperor
Anyway these are all falsehoods. No one is denying voting rights religious rights or familial rights
RickWA
The Pissant Snagglesooth
Pssst. Lefties must lie...or the internal pressure exceeds containment capacity and KA-BLAMM!
Dino
Russian Asset
All still very well preserved in THIS nation.
You’re hinting that these vague pleasantries are somehow vanishing is the stuff of lefty propaganda. It’s hogwash and empty scare tactics.
Spamature
President
You tailor voting laws to excise a particular race.
You tailor immigration laws to excise a particular religion
You take babies from their arms of their mothers.
Just because you want to defend it and/or Trump does not mean it didn't happen.
4/15
Mayor
And do not blame obama for doing it first.
What Obama did with migrant families vs. what Trump is doing
Trump hopes the courts will let him detain families like Obama did.
By Dara Linddara@vox.com Jun 21, 2018, 2:45pm EDT
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Donald Trump and Barack Obama were closer on immigration than either of them would care to admit — at least when it comes to keeping families in immigration detention.
Xinhua/Yin Bogu via Getty Images
Part of The family separation crisis at the US border
The best way to describe Donald Trump’s current policy toward families crossing the US-Mexico border is this: He just went from being much harsher than Barack Obama to trying to get the courts to let him be as harsh as Obama was.
The executive order Trump signed yesterday opens the door to him using a tactic Obama used in 2014: the wide-scale detention of immigrant families for as long as it took to complete their immigration cases and deport them.
Comparisons between Trump and Obama on immigration usually focus on deportations of unauthorized immigrants living in the US. Trump has been rapidly expanding enforcement, but the numbers are still comparable to Obama’s first term. (Obama holds the record for deporting more immigrants than any president, with more than 2 million deportations over eight years — though he scaled back enforcement in the last two years of his administration.)
But the effects of the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy for prosecuting illegal entry this spring — the separation of families as a matter of standard government practice for about six weeks, and now (thanks to Trump’s executive order) a coming court fight over the indefinite detention of families seeking asylum — are reminiscent, for those of us who’ve been following immigration for a while, of what the Obama administration did in 2014.
The comparison to Obama’s policies is especially relevant now that the Trump administration is seeking to keep families in immigration detention for weeks or months. The reason that Trump can’t do that under a current judicial order is that the courts stepped in to stop Obama from doing it.
Now Trump is trying to remove the shackles placed on his predecessor.
Obama was faced with a genuine increase in children and families coming to the US; Trump just decided that typical numbers were unacceptable
The most important thing to remember, when we’re comparing Obama’s response to the 2014 border “crisis” to what Trump is doing now, is this chart:
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
This chart combines two things: the number of people caught crossing into the US between ports of entry (apprehensions) and the number of people who came to ports of entry without immigration papers — for example, to seek asylum (“inadmissibles”). The two lines most likely to jump out at you, each of which represents one fiscal year (October-September instead of January-December), are the blue line that arcs high over the summer months and the orange line that plummets during the winter.
The blue line is 2014 — that’s what Obama was dealing with. The orange line is 2017, when Trump came into office.
Fiscal year 2018 is the red line on the chart. Compared to 2017, it’s a big increase, because 2017 was so anomalously low. But in context, it’s more like a reversion to the norm of the past few years.
It’s worth noting, by the way, that if this chart went back to 2000 or so, the past few years would all look pretty small in terms of border crossings. Unauthorized immigration into the US is still way down from historical levels. That drop has been especially pronounced among single adults coming for work — of the people still coming in, a lot of them are children, families, or other asylum seekers.
Reversion to the Obama-era norm isn’t what the Trump administration wanted, though. The president took a ton of pride in the low number of border crossings in the early months of his term — he kept bragging about it even as apprehensions crept back up in fall of 2017. When he started realizing that people were still coming in to seek asylum, he got upset that the US couldn’t just shut down the border — and pushed into action a policy agenda that would crack down on anyone trying to come to the US without papers, especially if they crossed into the country illegally.
Obama in 2014 took a mostly punitive approach to border crossers. Trump in 2018 took an entirely punitive one. But Obama was reacting partly to circumstances; Trump was reacting solely to his own desires.
Both presidents prosecuted many border crossers. But Trump’s “zero tolerance” policy created family separation.
Prosecuting people for illegal entry into the US is not new. Illegal entry and illegal reentry have been the two most commonly prosecuted crimes in federal court for years — often via mass trials that basically prosecuted dozens of people at once. Obama didn’t start this trend, but he certainly continued it.
While people charged with illegal entry or reentry made up as much as half of all people prosecuted in federal court in April 2018, they still made up only 10 percent of all people Border Patrol apprehended for crossing into the US between ports of entry.
In other words, officials were still deciding not to prosecute a lot of people — or, at least, didn’t have the resources to prosecute a lot of people and so had to be deliberate in deciding who deserved to be prosecuted. As a general rule — though not always — people who said they feared persecution in their home countries and wanted asylum were not prosecuted. Neither were people who came to the US with their children.
In April 2018, however, Trump’s Justice Department (led by Jeff Sessions) announced that they would start prosecuting every illegal entry case referred to them by the Department of Homeland Security. And in May 2018, Sessions and the Department of Homeland Security announced that they would start referring everyone who entered illegally for prosecution: “zero tolerance.”
The Trump administration isn’t actually prosecuting everyone who crosses the border between ports of entry yet — or even the majority of them. But the implied corollary to the “zero tolerance” policy was that the Trump administration would no longer make decisions about whom to prosecute based on whether someone was seeking asylum — or whether they were a parent.
That meant that parents were now being referred into the custody of the Department of Justice — while their children were separated from them and reclassified as “unaccompanied minors.”
Trump made separating families a matter of standard practice. Obama did not.
It’s not that no family was ever separated at the border under the Obama administration. But former Obama administration officials specify that families were separated only in particular circumstances — for instance, if a father was carrying drugs — that went above and beyond a typical case of illegal entry.
We don’t know how often that happened, but we know it was not a widespread or standard practice.
What Obama did with migrant families vs. what Trump is doing
Trump hopes the courts will let him detain families like Obama did.
By Dara Linddara@vox.com Jun 21, 2018, 2:45pm EDT
Share
Donald Trump and Barack Obama were closer on immigration than either of them would care to admit — at least when it comes to keeping families in immigration detention.
Xinhua/Yin Bogu via Getty Images
Part of The family separation crisis at the US border
The best way to describe Donald Trump’s current policy toward families crossing the US-Mexico border is this: He just went from being much harsher than Barack Obama to trying to get the courts to let him be as harsh as Obama was.
The executive order Trump signed yesterday opens the door to him using a tactic Obama used in 2014: the wide-scale detention of immigrant families for as long as it took to complete their immigration cases and deport them.
Comparisons between Trump and Obama on immigration usually focus on deportations of unauthorized immigrants living in the US. Trump has been rapidly expanding enforcement, but the numbers are still comparable to Obama’s first term. (Obama holds the record for deporting more immigrants than any president, with more than 2 million deportations over eight years — though he scaled back enforcement in the last two years of his administration.)
But the effects of the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy for prosecuting illegal entry this spring — the separation of families as a matter of standard government practice for about six weeks, and now (thanks to Trump’s executive order) a coming court fight over the indefinite detention of families seeking asylum — are reminiscent, for those of us who’ve been following immigration for a while, of what the Obama administration did in 2014.
The comparison to Obama’s policies is especially relevant now that the Trump administration is seeking to keep families in immigration detention for weeks or months. The reason that Trump can’t do that under a current judicial order is that the courts stepped in to stop Obama from doing it.
Now Trump is trying to remove the shackles placed on his predecessor.
Obama was faced with a genuine increase in children and families coming to the US; Trump just decided that typical numbers were unacceptable
The most important thing to remember, when we’re comparing Obama’s response to the 2014 border “crisis” to what Trump is doing now, is this chart:
This chart combines two things: the number of people caught crossing into the US between ports of entry (apprehensions) and the number of people who came to ports of entry without immigration papers — for example, to seek asylum (“inadmissibles”). The two lines most likely to jump out at you, each of which represents one fiscal year (October-September instead of January-December), are the blue line that arcs high over the summer months and the orange line that plummets during the winter.
The blue line is 2014 — that’s what Obama was dealing with. The orange line is 2017, when Trump came into office.
Fiscal year 2018 is the red line on the chart. Compared to 2017, it’s a big increase, because 2017 was so anomalously low. But in context, it’s more like a reversion to the norm of the past few years.
It’s worth noting, by the way, that if this chart went back to 2000 or so, the past few years would all look pretty small in terms of border crossings. Unauthorized immigration into the US is still way down from historical levels. That drop has been especially pronounced among single adults coming for work — of the people still coming in, a lot of them are children, families, or other asylum seekers.
Reversion to the Obama-era norm isn’t what the Trump administration wanted, though. The president took a ton of pride in the low number of border crossings in the early months of his term — he kept bragging about it even as apprehensions crept back up in fall of 2017. When he started realizing that people were still coming in to seek asylum, he got upset that the US couldn’t just shut down the border — and pushed into action a policy agenda that would crack down on anyone trying to come to the US without papers, especially if they crossed into the country illegally.
Obama in 2014 took a mostly punitive approach to border crossers. Trump in 2018 took an entirely punitive one. But Obama was reacting partly to circumstances; Trump was reacting solely to his own desires.
Both presidents prosecuted many border crossers. But Trump’s “zero tolerance” policy created family separation.
Prosecuting people for illegal entry into the US is not new. Illegal entry and illegal reentry have been the two most commonly prosecuted crimes in federal court for years — often via mass trials that basically prosecuted dozens of people at once. Obama didn’t start this trend, but he certainly continued it.
While people charged with illegal entry or reentry made up as much as half of all people prosecuted in federal court in April 2018, they still made up only 10 percent of all people Border Patrol apprehended for crossing into the US between ports of entry.
In other words, officials were still deciding not to prosecute a lot of people — or, at least, didn’t have the resources to prosecute a lot of people and so had to be deliberate in deciding who deserved to be prosecuted. As a general rule — though not always — people who said they feared persecution in their home countries and wanted asylum were not prosecuted. Neither were people who came to the US with their children.
In April 2018, however, Trump’s Justice Department (led by Jeff Sessions) announced that they would start prosecuting every illegal entry case referred to them by the Department of Homeland Security. And in May 2018, Sessions and the Department of Homeland Security announced that they would start referring everyone who entered illegally for prosecution: “zero tolerance.”
The Trump administration isn’t actually prosecuting everyone who crosses the border between ports of entry yet — or even the majority of them. But the implied corollary to the “zero tolerance” policy was that the Trump administration would no longer make decisions about whom to prosecute based on whether someone was seeking asylum — or whether they were a parent.
That meant that parents were now being referred into the custody of the Department of Justice — while their children were separated from them and reclassified as “unaccompanied minors.”
Trump made separating families a matter of standard practice. Obama did not.
It’s not that no family was ever separated at the border under the Obama administration. But former Obama administration officials specify that families were separated only in particular circumstances — for instance, if a father was carrying drugs — that went above and beyond a typical case of illegal entry.
We don’t know how often that happened, but we know it was not a widespread or standard practice.
Spamature
President
It fits.
Spamature
President
That what I love about deniers. You eventually get caught in your own trap. Just like you had to deny the economic numbers under Obama to support your position. But now you have to acknowledge the numbers you denied in order to support Trump. So now I get to throw Obama's numbers back in your faces with impunity. And you just have to grin and eat shite while I do it, or deny the numbers under Trump too. This little train will come around again with another load and you will have to eat that one too.
MAGA.
Dino
Russian Asset
You posted absolutely NO numbers. None. Look back. Just nonsense.
And I acknowledged obama’s numbers, a purposefully suppressed growth, the slowest recovery in American history.
Spamature
President
I posted them all the time and still do.
Lying about post is a pathetic defense mechanism.
BOMBSHELL
blacks voted in 2016
illegals have no rights, never have
when were all the Mosque closed?
Planes leave every minute for other countries, be on one of your choice.
not in this thread did you post numbers
Spamature
President
You didn't have to demonstrate to me that you are confused by the topic. I told you that already.
Spamature
President
Still confused on the topic, are you ?
Maybe a nap will help where the booze and pills failed.
Dino
Russian Asset
You’re lying, and there are no numbers to back you up.
Rand Paul says it best:
The interesting thing about voting patterns now is in this last election, African Americans voted at a higher percentage than Whites in almost every one of the states that were under the special provisions of the federal government. So really, I don’t think there is objective evidence that we’re precluding African Americans from voting any longer.
And while census numbers back up the senator’s statement, with Blacks voting at 66 percent when compared to 64 percent for Whites, it also must be noted that one of the chief catalysts of African-American voter turnout in 2012 was voter suppression.
With Republican lawmakers pushing last-minute voter ID laws to seemingly stifle the Black vote, African Americans showed up at the polls in unprecedented numbers.
https://newsone.com/2680996/rand-paul-voting-rights-act/
As you can see, you fell for the lib propaganda and there’s no basis of truth to it!
Oh I don't. All this from a person who supports treating the minority like chattel, supports generational poverty, and smiles as the unborn are ripped from the womb and then preach morality to the masses.
You have no standing.
Ptoo. I spit.
The Sage of Main Street
Governor
Putting Us in the Gangs' Crossfire
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