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[American Patriot]

Well, the first presidential debate is over. I guess the far far left progressive socialists will claim Obama won hands down. I noticed the press has been very weak and slow on the subject of a clear and decisive winner. That in itself sends a very clear message. Romney was the aggressor and Obama seemed to get bogged down several times and at a loss on numerous occasions to explain himself. Obama even ask Jim Lehrer to move on in an attempt to change the subject. Divert, deceive, delay, and deny were key tactics used by Obama during this debate. I thought Obama pretty much got his ass handed to him. Question is will it significantly change the poll numbers? We will have to wait and see. One thing became very obvious last night, we all got a glimpse into why the last four years have been a disaster.

Now it looks as if the Obama spin machine will need to call "Big Bird" to the rescue. The next debate it will get tougher for Obama and the final debate should be even better than the first. Like the man said," A sixteen trillion dollar debt, and I am paying for "Big Bird", I don't think so.

 

[degsme]

Dunno who those "far left progressive socialists" are.. Angela Davis isn't posting here.

The reality is that there was no "clear and decisive winner" - which doesn't send muchof any kind of message. Yes Romney was the aggressor. And the Factchecking has him being factual about 25% of his assertions with Obama at about 81%.

As for interactions with the moderator- it was Romney who pulled the "hall monitor" card on multiple occaisions.


BTW, ifObama was just diverting and deceiving... why is his Fact Checking outcome FOUR TIMES as solid as Romneys? hmm Inquiring minds would like to know. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m.../03/fact-checking-denver-presidential-debate/

I thought Obama pretty much got his ass handed to him

Of course you did. But you would have thought that no matter the outcome... because a blackie can never be beaten bya White Christian Americun...

 

[American Patriot]

Dunno who those "far left progressive socialists" are.. Angela Davis isn't posting here.

The reality is that there was no "clear and decisive winner" - which doesn't send muchof any kind of message. Yes Romney was the aggressor. And the Factchecking has him being factual about 25% of his assertions with Obama at about 81%.

As for interactions with the moderator- it was Romney who pulled the "hall monitor" card on multiple occaisions.


BTW, ifObama was just diverting and deceiving... why is his Fact Checking outcome FOUR TIMES as solid as Romneys? hmm Inquiring minds would like to know. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m.../03/fact-checking-denver-presidential-debate/



Of course you did. But you would have thought that no matter the outcome... because a blackie can never be beaten bya White Christian Americun...

Exactly the type of response I expected from a far far left wing progressive socialist. Oh yeah don't forget to play the race card and the blame game too. By the way your source is about as credible as you are which is not saying very much. Does not change the unemployment numbers and does not lower the national debt. Obama needs to regroup for this next debate or he may find himself out of a job in about 30 some days.


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[NightSwimmer]

Mr. Romney was aggressive. I suppose that excites his base. Still, he has a lot of explaining to do for all of the things that he so aggressively said. His explanations for his policy positions was to deny that they even exist.

According to Mitt, he does not plan to cut taxes and he intends to keep every aspect of Obamacare except for individual mandates. Aside from those two issues, he basically claimed to have the same policy positions as does the President. This doesn't align with what he has been saying on the campaign trail for the past 18 months. I don't see how he scored any points with anyone who did not already support his campaign. He's still the same Mitt. He is a serial liar.

 

[American Patriot]

Mr. Romney was aggressive. I suppose that excites his base. Still, he has a lot of explaining to do for all of the things that he so aggressively said. His explanations for his policy positions was to deny that they even exist.

According to Mitt, he does not plan to cut taxes and he intends to keep every aspect of Obamacare except for individual mandates. Aside from those two issues, he basically claimed to have the same policy positions as does the President. This doesn't align with what he has been saying on the campaign trail for the past 18 months. I don't see how he scored any points with anyone who did not already support his campaign. He's still the same Mitt. He is a serial liar.

You were obviously watching a different debate than the one the rest of us watched.

 

[NightSwimmer]

You were obviously watching a different debate than the one the rest of us watched. HINT: Remember to take your meds today not taking them is adversely affecting your reasoning and judgement.

You are not an unknown quantity here on PJ, you know. I understand that you don't want the President to win reelection. Still, you can't really support anything that Romney said last night. You would be celebrating victory this morning no matter what happened. The American people will decide who won this debate. I'll be surprised if Romney gains any support outside of his base with last night's performance. Time will tell.

 

[American Patriot]

You are not an unknown quantity here on PJ, you know. I understand that you don't want the President to win reelection. Still, you can't really support anything that Romney said last night. You would be celebrating victory this morning no matter what happened. The American people will decide who won this debate. I'll be surprised if Romney gains any support outside of his base with last night's performance. Time will tell.

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Looks to me like it has already been decided. Your Boy, Obama cannot defend his record, Solindra, or much of anything else by the looks of things and the voters will decide.

 

[American Patriot]

Dunno who those "far left progressive socialists" are.. Angela Davis isn't posting here.

The reality is that there was no "clear and decisive winner" - which doesn't send muchof any kind of message. Yes Romney was the aggressor. And the Factchecking has him being factual about 25% of his assertions with Obama at about 81%.

As for interactions with the moderator- it was Romney who pulled the "hall monitor" card on multiple occaisions.


BTW, ifObama was just diverting and deceiving... why is his Fact Checking outcome FOUR TIMES as solid as Romneys? hmm Inquiring minds would like to know. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m.../03/fact-checking-denver-presidential-debate/



Of course you did. But you would have thought that no matter the outcome... because a blackie can never be beaten bya White Christian Americun...

Well again you are so off the mark it is unbelievable. All of your far left wing news media pundits like CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC have stated on the air that Romney was the decisive winner in last nights debate. I do not know where you get all this bogus information but you may rest assured I will call you on it every single time. Second point we were not discussing Angela Davis and I never will as she is a total waste of humanity. Third point, you really need to drop the race card, it isn't working and it never will. Your accusation regardless of how insulting it was intended to be, one need only to consider the source to know the spin behind it and how totally false it actually is.

 

[degsme]

Um and what were the debate RESULTS on the polling? Obama's Posities IMPROVED...https://www.politicaljack.com/forum...-independents)&p=530146&viewfull=1#post530146

Obama's favorables are unchanged from before and after the debate, 56-44. But looking at the crosstabs, Obama stayed solid with Democrats, gained a tiny bit with Republicans, and ... kicked ass among independents. Seriously, flipping his faves among independents from 46-54 to 54-46, a 16-point shift, is a pretty big deal
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Romney's favorables. He definitely improved, from 46-54 to 51-49. He desperately needs those numbers to improve (and improve further) if he wants to be competitive. So, good news, right?

Well, Romney improved marginally with Democrats and stayed even with independents. So where did he improve? Among Republicans, where his "very favorable" jumped a solid 10 points, from 36 to 46 percent.

So Romney's negatives went down with some Dems and independents, aan he solidified his base...


HO dow that help him win?

 

[degsme]

Well again you are so off the mark it is unbelievable. All of your far left wing news media pundits like CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC

Since when ar they "far left"??? NO methodologicall sound study has ever found them to be anythingothr than centrist. Yes that is to the left of yor viewpoint but thtts haredly leftists

Second point we were not discussing Angela Davis

Sure you were. You invoked the term "progressive leftists"... that's Angela Davis.

Third point, you really need to drop the race card, it isn't working and it never will.[/qu9ote]


Its tellling the truth. And the truth always works.

 

[degsme]

Yup Romney won on pugilism... but he lost thewar. Hs lies are being debunked at such a rate that hes coming acrsoss as an angry chiuahua

 

[American Patriot]

Since when ar they "far left"??? NO methodologicall sound study has ever found them to be anythingothr than centrist. Yes that is to the left of yor viewpoint but thtts haredly leftists


Sure you were. You invoked the term "progressive leftists"... that's Angela Davis.

Third point, you really need to drop the race card, it isn't working and it never will.[/qu9ote]


Its tellling the truth. And the truth always works.

I call a "BULLSHIT" on every misguided assumption you just made. [edited] You seem to some how believe you can somehow promote your socialist points of view with false accusations, twisted and demented statements that have no validity and even less relevance,

 

[degsme]

Since when ar they "far left"??? NO methodologicall sound study has ever found them to be anythingothr than centrist. Yes that is to the left of yor viewpoint but thtts haredly leftists


Sure you were. You invoked the term "progressive leftists"... that's Angela Davis.

I call a "BULLSHIT" on every misguided assumption you just made.
What "assumptions"?

Angela Davis is the Progressive Left of the political spectrum. I'm a solid main stream liberal.. Obama is well tot eh right of me. He's centrist who leans right on military issues.

Sorry, that's why he has the following he has. If he weren't black he'd have been elected by 5-7 points more, and this election wouldn't be close

In fact, Sir, it is you who are the racist,

Based on what factual analysis? You invoke a myth (ie claim you cannot factually support) that is indistinguishable from the myths about blacks that racists throughtou history have invoked... and that makes me a racist??? LOLL

you, who seem to some how believe you can somehow promote your socialist points

hmm where have I advocated Government ownership of the means of production. Because that is the definition of socialism

the false accusations and twisted and demented statements her are yours....

NOT also that you have posted nothing of any significan content. Other than disruptive name calling.

 

[American Patriot]

Since when ar they "far left"??? NO methodologicall sound study has ever found them to be anythingothr than centrist. Yes that is to the left of yor viewpoint but thtts haredly leftists


Sure you were. You invoked the term "progressive leftists"... that's Angela Davis.

I call a "BULLSHIT" on every misguided assumption you just made.
What "assumptions"?

Angela Davis is the Progressive Left of the political spectrum. I'm a solid main stream liberal.. Obama is well tot eh right of me. He's centrist who leans right on military issues.

Sorry, that's why he has the following he has. If he weren't black he'd have been elected by 5-7 points more, and this election wouldn't be close

Based on what factual analysis? You invoke a myth (ie claim you cannot factually support) that is indistinguishable from the myths about blacks that racists throughtou history have invoked... and that makes me a racist??? LOLL


hmm where have I advocated Government ownership of the means of production. Because that is the definition of socialism

the false accusations and twisted and demented statements her are yours....

NOT also that you have posted nothing of any significan content. Other than disruptive name calling.

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Sure does look like to me that you are a true died in the wool progressive socialist by any definition.

 

[oicu812]

Since when ar they "far left"??? NO methodologicall sound study has ever found them to be anythingothr than centrist. Yes that is to the left of yor viewpoint but thtts haredly leftists


Sure you were. You invoked the term "progressive leftists"... that's Angela Davis.

Third point, you really need to drop the race card, it isn't working and it never will.[/qu9ote]


Its tellling the truth. And the truth always works.

but several obama supports here said the pres. showed poorly in the debate because he didnt want to appear to be "uppity" to a old white man...do you think he was intimidated by the old white man? was the pres. afraid to speak his mind? do you think he is that weak?

 

[GordonGecko]

I notice AP cited "The Blaze"....which is run by an ADMITTED LIAR, Glenn Beck.

 

[Bluedog]

Not for anything folks, its one debate, regardless of who won.

imho

 

[degsme]

I don't think Obama showed poorly. I think he did what he intended to do - come across as cool under fire, repeat his message and not get sucked into Mitts's goading.

Meanwhile Mitt basically refudiated most of his campaign positions in his atacaks. Sure Dems who are frustrated with GOP obstructionism wanted Obama to "Take it To Mitt".... just as the GOP stalwarts wanted Mitt to "take it to Obama".

Mitt chose to do so. And he may have won the "who wone the debate" ratings but I think he lost the war there.


He's now given Obama an excuse to go after him on his flipflops/etch asketching
He's made himself MOre likeable with his core constituency but made no ground with women while Obama did (wave by by to CO)
He's given Axelrod TONS of ammunition for Campaign ads which we are already seeing being previewed in Obama's stump speech.

 

[jammer]

Degs, I don't know why you bother trying to reason with these far rightwinger nutjobs when they slip over here from the alternate reality universe they all live in. AP apparently thinks Mitt Romney is a great candidate that will save the world, a real Noah in a sea of turmoil, and maybe he is on the other side of the rainbow where the FRNs live, but over here Mitt is a lying, scum sucking, dirtbag who flip-flops at every opportunity. He isn't worth walking across the street to piss on.

 

[American Patriot]

I notice AP cited "The Blaze"....which is run by an ADMITTED LIAR, Glenn Beck.

At least Glenn Beck admits his mistakes, Obama has never admitted a mistake ever.