Parting Shot

[Alinvegas]

 

[TomFitz]

I bet you cheered for the USA Patriot Act, and defended waterboarding ,wiretapping and the rest.

I'm not happy with this at all. But the hypocricy from the wingers is too disgusting not to note!

 

[Alinvegas]

I did neither. I do cheer waterboarding as the attorney general of the US tells us it is not torture. I don't believe any court in the land has said otherwise.

 

[Cicero]

LINK

The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2012[1] was signed into United States law on December 31, 2011 by President Barack Obama.[2][3]

The Act authorizes $662 billion[4] in funding, among other things "for the defense of the United States and its interests abroad." In a signing statement, President Obama described the Act as addressing national security programs, Department of Defense health care costs, counter-terrorism within the U.S. and abroad, and military modernization.[5][6] The Act also imposes new economic sanctions against Iran (section 1045), commissions reviews of the military capabilities of countries such as Iran, China, and Russia,[7] and refocuses the strategic goals of NATO towards energy security.[8] The Congressional Research Service provides a summary of the many provisions of the Act, available on the web.[9]

The most controversial provisions to receive wide attention are contained in Title X, Subtitle D, entitled "Counter-Terrorism." In particular, sub-sections 1021 and 1022, which deal with detention of persons the government suspects of involvement in terrorism, have generated controversy as to their legal meaning and their potential implications for abuse of Presidential authority. Although the White House[10] and Senate sponsors[11] maintain that the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) already grants presidential authority for indefinite detention, the Act states that Congress "affirms" this authority and makes specific provisions as to the exercise of that authority.[12][13] The detention provisions of the Act have received critical attention by, among others, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and some media sources which are concerned about the scope of the President's authority, including contentions that those whom they claim may be held indefinitely could include U.S. citizens arrested on American soil, including arrests by members of the Armed Forces.

Leftwingers seem inherently incapable of grasping the fact that as an old school socialist Obama IS NOT a liberal. It's too bad that they did not educate themselves on what old school nation hating socialists are before they collectively worshiped the man into the Oval Office.

 

[Days]

If they said English is not a human language, would you buy into that, also?

Let me tell you what torture is... since you obviously don't know... torture is sleep deprivation. Nothing more painful than sleep deprivation. Torture is any method of sleep deprivation; water boarding is torture. Don't be so naive.

 

[Lapcat]

:amen:

 

[Alinvegas]

Occording to you libs, calling someone a racists is torture.

 

[Days]

Everyone is missing the boat on this one. Time for professor Days to educate the kiddies on what's going on... first. let me put up my spitball shields... okay, I'm ready...

40 years ago the military learned to spray the battlefield with chaff. Chaff was small particles of metallic dust - most notably Barium salts - that would serve to highlight anything in the area on military radar... giving field commanders a 3d picture of the battle zone.

12 years ago, the New World Order - aka, the same old Illuminatti - managed to manipulate NATO to spray all the major population centers of the world with the same chaff, spraying 5 billion people like bugs; the idea is to shorten life spans.

Now, some of us have protested. This set of laws, covertly covers the spraying. By defining our back yards as battle zones, the military is now spraying us like bugs, LEGALLY.

 

[Brad Hanks]

Being new, I am really enjoying this thread. I am an Obama supporter, though I do back Republicans on one issue. I am part of the liberal base that elected President Barry Obama, and feel he has been pulled to the right by the Tea Party. Many of us feel that Barry Obama has been acting like a Republican. Well at least he stopped kissing Republican ass, and is starting to kick them!!! So, I am a supporter of the 99% Occupy Wall Street, more than just a life long member of the DNC.

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2012 in my opinion will be the greatest election ever for Democrats. Republicans can not even find a candidate. The first string Republican candidates are staying home and allowing the fringe righties to dominate the air waves. I think it is great! Barry Obama has the Republicans undermining each other, paying for attack ads, and destroying what is left of the Republican Party since the Teabaggers took an axe to it! We Dems are just sitting back and enjoying the show - such as this thread!

Thank you big labor for taking Barry out behind the woodshed for a talk, he is actually sounding like a Democrat!

 

[Days]

c'mon, Al, what's a little civility between friends? Your ignorance is torturing me, but I won't loose any sleep over it...

 

[Cicero]

Actually Obama lost half of the independents that got him elected in 2008, and they remain firm that they will never vote for him again. A fairly significant segment of democrats are going to stay home on election day 2012 because they believe Obama to be a chronic failure as a president.

True while whine-baby college-aged kids [going to school on the dime of mom and dad] are mostly for Obama most of them are also disappointed in what sort of president their Political Messiah turned out to be and so it's doubtful that very many of them are going to be bothered to vote at the end of this year. So forth and so on. Political reality 101.

 

[Brad Hanks]

What you miss is that guys like me in the Obama base are not happy. If Barry does not get off his ass and start fighting like a Democrat, we will drop him. There is already talk of Hillary Clinton for Vice-President. We Dems are not really worried about Republicans, the Teabaggers are destroying the party. Question is will big labor's trip behind the woodshed get Obama's jobs act into law. If Obama can not pass The American Jobs Act by summer, Dems will get someone who can. The name Hillary Clinton comes up again.

Perhaps mistakenly, the DNC believes the Republican Party could self destruct, and give President Obama reelection in 2012. Obama is going to have to work hard to get guys like me back. The night Obama threw Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security on the table during the debt ceiling talks, I went out to the garage and removed the 2012 Obama bumper sticker the DNC sent me from my Jeep. Barry is going to start playing politics like a Democrat or take a hike.

Along the way, Obama better satisfy independents, they feel as betrayed as the base. The 99ers are the new independents and old fashioned liberal Democrats. 99ers want employment results, and they want them now.

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[Cicero]

Hillary Clinton will never run for political office again. She gave that a shot in 2008 and then the media [with the blessings of the Obama block and half of the party's voters] labelled her and her husband racists. The corrupt DNC actually fiddled the rules so that Obama could become a major threat to her campaign before she and Bill could react to the danger thus actually gutting her campaign from the get-go. Then there were all the misogynistic attacks from the Obama factions directed against her via mainstream media surrogates who were enjoined in a slobbering love affair with candidate Obama.

So, no, the Hillary Clinton ship has sailed and the Left does not have anyone else as competent or trained up to actually be president on day one, which Hillary was trained by Bill to do.

So the Left is STUCK with their glorious Political Messiah who not only did not have enough national level experience back in 2008 to be president, but has since amply demonstrated that he's simply never going to rise to the level of being competent, much less good.

I am a former Hillary Clinton supporter and a PUMA, and I spit on Barack Obama as the living symbol of everything that has gone wrong with the Democratic Party -- when the Left voted for the IMAGE of a president instead of for the real deal. With the election of Obama the Democratic Party leadership and voters flushed common sense and civic responsibility right down the toilet.

But to get back to your points, Obama is a bad president but a great campaigner. So as best he can he will tell you all the things you WANT to hear during 2012; but you only need to look at his presidential record to know that he's really both a liar and an incompetent. So vote for him again if you will. I'll be voting for anybody but Obama.

 

[Jen]

Welcome,Brad.

I am sure your fellow Democrats are glad to have you, and if you are polite, the rest of us will be glad you're here too.

:welcome:

 

[degsme]

Welcome,Brad.

I am sure your fellow Democrats are to have you, and if you are polite, the rest of us will be glad you're here too.

:welcome:

Says the poster who will then proceed to call you pretty much every slimy name in the book - never supporting it with facts - and always with the plausible deniability that "oh no its not about you".. its just "an opinion about Democrats in general"... but not about you... no never about you... just that democRATS are scum sucking, anti-american, dangerous, viscious, stupid baby killerss.....

But no that's not a personal attack -that's just "an opinion" about democrats in general and that of course does not mean you , and after all everyone is entitled to AN OPINION...

 

[Cicero]

Yep, what Jen said. Welcome Brad.

 

[Brad Hanks]

What are you smoking? I would like to see a fact/link indicating that there is anything racist about the Clintons.

Hillary Clinton is certainly the front runner for the Democrats in 2016, and Joe Biden is interested in his life ambition to be Secretary of State. Most of Biden's career has been foreign relations in the U. S. Senate.

As Ed Schultz said on MSNBC's Ed Show last night, said Hillary Clinton has one of the best resumes in the nation for POTUS - wife of a Governor, First Lady of the United States, United States Senator from New York, candidate for POTUS, and Secretary of State. Your posting against Hillary is way off base, and I do not believe you can support it with facts. Hillary scares you considering the line of incompetents that Republicans are running for POTUS this year.

Someone spent some money on rather expensive artwork, don't you think?
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[Cicero]

hahahaha! You didn't actually read what I wrote and I have to question whether or not you were actually conscious during 2008. When the contest for the nomination was between just Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and the Clintons really began to fight back against Obama, the in-the-tank-for-Obama media began calling Bill and Hillary racists. It was in all the news. Anyone awake would know about it.

You also seemed to miss me telling you that I WAS a Hillary Clinton supporter and a PUMA. I will leave it up to you to discover what PUMA means. The self-education attempt might do you some good.

 

[degsme]

Yep, what Jen said. Welcome Brad.

Exactly - complete with the dishonesty about name calling.

 

[counterintuitive]

Here you go Brad....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oRwZQLdhEw