Pick 7???

[NightSwimmer]

So, what do you guys think of the proposal to eliminate the PAT kick in professional football?

I suspect that such talk is merely a red herring thrown out by the commissioner to generate discussion about the sport.

Have I just fallen for one of the oldest tricks in the book?

 

[SW48]

So, what do you guys think of the proposal to eliminate the PAT kick in professional football?

I suspect that such talk is merely a red herring thrown out by the commissioner to generate discussion about the sport.

Have I just fallen for one of the oldest tricks in the book?

I don't like it. The option of an easy 1 or a difficult 2 makes for more chances for tie games in my opinion.

 

[NightSwimmer]

I don't like it. The option of an easy 1 or a difficult 2 makes for more chances for tie games in my opinion.

I see no need for a change, but if the NFL merely wants to add some excitement to the play, the simple solution would be to extend the length of the kick rather than eliminating it altogether. Of course, that change would introduce yet another problem.

If you move the line of scrimmage for the kick, then it should also be moved back for a 2 point conversion attempt, which would render that play extremely difficult to make. Maybe the longer 2 point attempt should yield 3 points instead of 2?

Better, in my opinion, to do nothing.

 

[Bo-4]

In the past three years, kickers have missed five, six and seven extra points, respectively. That’s 18 misses out of 3,709 tries—a 99.5 percent accuracy rate. Out of every 200 extra points, one is missed. -SI

How about moving it back to the 25 yard line for 1 point, and to the 35 for 2?

 

[NightSwimmer]

In the past three years, kickers have missed five, six and seven extra points, respectively. That’s 18 misses out of 3,709 tries—a 99.5 percent accuracy rate. Out of every 200 extra points, one is missed. -SI

How about moving it back to the 25 yard line for 1 point, and to the 35 for 2?

That makes more sense than what has been proposed. Leave the TD at 6 points. I'd go with 1 point for a kick from the 25 YL and 3 points for a kick from the 35 YL. Eliminate the 2 point conversion play altogether.

Of course, once the rules begin to change this dramatically, it will only be a matter of time before the kickoff is done away with altogether. Along with that, we'll also lose the onside kick option.

 

[SW48]

That makes more sense than what has been proposed. Leave the TD at 6 points. I'd go with 1 point for a kick from the 25 YL and 3 points for a kick from the 35 YL. Eliminate the 2 point conversion play altogether.

Of course, once the rules begin to change this dramatically, it will only be a matter of time before the kickoff is done away with altogether. Along with that, we'll also lose the onside kick option.

Kick returns are often the most exciting plays of the game in my opinion.

I never did like the idea that these huge athletic players put their heart and soul into the outcome of a close game but the game often gets determined by some former soccer player without any dirt on his uniform that comes out and kicks a field goal or extra point to decide the game.

I'd get rid of kicking before I'd get rid of the 2 pt conversion.

 

[Craig]

So, what do you guys think of the proposal to eliminate the PAT kick in professional football?

I suspect that such talk is merely a red herring thrown out by the commissioner to generate discussion about the sport.

Have I just fallen for one of the oldest tricks in the book?

I'd be ok with eliminating the PAT. No real strong feeling about it, but the automatic nature does render it rather boring. I like the idea of allowing the 2 pointer and if failing to succeed, making the TD 6. I do wonder if scoring would be changed...7 points for a TD; I suppose it would have to. 849 of the 2544 points scored by the NFL's all time scoring leader, Morton Andersen, came from PATs. But what would be the alternative? To just award the FG kicker one point? Messes with the all time stuff if we change it, but awarding a point for nothing doesn't seem tight either.

The top 30 scorers are all placekickers. Jerry Rice is the top hands player. 31st, with 1,256. 208 TDs; if we add one point, 1464. Just for giggles, let's see how it would look...

Morton Anderson would still lead with 1,695 points. Gary Anderson would remain 2nd with 1,614. Jason Hanson stays 3rd with 1,485. Then Rice at 4th.

As to removing the kicking game altogether, that would seem to require a change in the name of the game. What would be "foot" about it?

 

[SW48]

I'd be ok with eliminating the PAT. No real strong feeling about it, but the automatic nature does render it rather boring. I like the idea of allowing the 2 pointer and if failing to succeed, making the TD 6. I do wonder if scoring would be changed...7 points for a TD; I suppose it would have to. 849 of the 2544 points scored by the NFL's all time scoring leader, Morton Andersen, came from PATs. But what would be the alternative? To just award the FG kicker one point? Messes with the all time stuff if we change it, but awarding a point for nothing doesn't seem tight either.

The top 30 scorers are all placekickers. Jerry Rice is the top hands player. 31st, with 1,256. 208 TDs; if we add one point, 1464. Just for giggles, let's see how it would look...

Morton Anderson would still lead with 1,695 points. Gary Anderson would remain 2nd with 1,614. Jason Hanson stays 3rd with 1,485. Then Rice at 4th.

As to removing the kicking game altogether, that would seem to require a change in the name of the game. What would be "foot" about it?

I am not for removing kickoffs, just kicks that score.

How about 3 points for getting the ball passed the 35 and 6 for a touchdown and then have the two point conversion. Just thinking out loud on how to get rid of kicks for points.

 

[Craig]

I am not for removing kickoffs, just kicks that score.

How about 3 points for getting the ball passed the 35 and 6 for a touchdown and then have the two point conversion. Just thinking out loud on how to get rid of kicks for points.

Sorry...I don't want all scoring kicks removed. The changes over the years have made them easier. The biggest rule change was moving the hash marks so far towards the center of the field. That lessened the angle on many attempts. Moving the goal post to the back of the endzone also lessens the angle.

If the kickoff is all that remains, I don't see people working to be kickers. Too little glory.

 

[SW48]

Sorry...I don't want all scoring kicks removed. The changes over the years have made them easier. The biggest rule change was moving the hash marks so far towards the center of the field. That lessened the angle on many attempts. Moving the goal post to the back of the endzone also lessens the angle.

If the kickoff is all that remains, I don't see people working to be kickers. Too little glory.

I guess I just hate little soccer players deciding games that fans put so much of their entertainment stock into and players put so much effort into.

 

[Craig]

I guess I just hate little soccer players deciding games that fans put so much of their entertainment stock into and players put so much effort into.

It has always been thus.

The 1958 Championship went into overtime because of a field goal. Yes, it has become more specialized over the years and the soccer kickers are longer and more accurate. The Packers beat the Colts on two FGs in '65...and one particular kick was wide, but called good. It is why the posts are so tall.

I believe the kickers also put much effort into their work.

 

[NightSwimmer]

I guess I just hate little soccer players deciding games that fans put so much of their entertainment stock into and players put so much effort into.

I don't hate kickers. I'd rather just leave things as they are. If fans find the PAT kick boring, then they can take a bathroom break while the kick is attempted. It's not as if it takes very long.

I find the entire NFL boring as hell anyway. My only concern is that changes in the NFL game will eventually trickle down to CFB.

 

[Bo-4]

I don't hate kickers. I'd rather just leave things as they are. If fans find the PAT kick boring, then they can take a bathroom break while the kick is attempted. It's not as if it takes very long.

I find the entire NFL boring as hell anyway. My only concern is that changes in the NFL game will eventually trickle down to CFB.

Your contempt for NFL understood, but be honest NS: will you watch the SB?

I will, and i'm not that much of an NFL fan (as with NBA and MLB) i keep my viewing limited until the playoffs.

Watch it man, this may be the best one in last 10 years!

 

[NightSwimmer]

Your contempt for NFL understood, but be honest NS: will you watch the SB?

I will, and i'm not that much of an NFL fan (as with NBA and MLB) i keep my viewing limited until the playoffs.

Watch it man, this may be the best one in last 10 years!

I never watch it. That's why I missed the big nipple slip -- the most exciting play in the history of the Superbowl.

 

[NightSwimmer]

Your contempt for NFL understood, but be honest NS: will you watch the SB?

I will, and i'm not that much of an NFL fan (as with NBA and MLB) i keep my viewing limited until the playoffs.

Watch it man, this may be the best one in last 10 years!

But seriously... No contempt. Merely boredom.