Progress Is Good

[BitterPill]

Solar power installations are skyrocketing and sending wingers to their therapists:

The first quarter of 2014 was another big one for the U.S. solar industry, with 74 percent of all new electric generating capacity across the country coming from solar power. The 1,330 megawatts of solar photovoltaics (PV) installed last quarter bring the total in the U.S. up to 14.8 gigawatts of installed capacity — enough to power three million homes, according to GTM Research and the Solar Energy Industries Association (SEIA).​

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/05/31/3443520/us-residential-solar-beat-commercial/

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://blogs.wsj.com/experts/2013/09/23/stop-subsidizing-solar-power/

In its cost projection for 2018, solar is 67% more expensive than wind and twice as expensive as natural gas. At the Pacific Northwest Regional Economic Conference this year, one utility energy planner reported that solar costs about 80 cents per kilowatt hour (kwh) compared to the national average of about 10 cents per kwh.

Solar energy is one of the worst ways to reduce carbon emissions. McKinsey and Company’s analysis found that nuclear, wind and even coal with carbon capture are more effective. Bloomberg New Energy Finance found the same result, ranking solar panels 28th out of 33 carbon-reduction options.

Billions are spent propping up wasteful solar energy instead of projects that effectively reduce carbon emissions.

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

The total system levelized cost for Solar Thermal is the highest, at 243.1. Solar PV is 4th highest, at 130.0.

Conventional coal is 95.6, hydro at 84.5. The lowest is Geothermal, at 47.9.

Until the technology improves significantly, solar is simple too expensive.

 

[BitterPill]

http://blogs.wsj.com/experts/2013/09/23/stop-subsidizing-solar-power/

That whole post is a mess. I suggest you try again.

 

[BitterPill]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

The total system levelized cost for Solar Thermal is the highest, at 243.1. Solar PV is 4th highest, at 130.0.

Conventional coal is 95.6, hydro at 84.5. The lowest is Geothermal, at 47.9.

Until the technology improves significantly, solar is simple too expensive.

According to wiki?

I installed solar panels, and they work well. It will take years to pay for itself, but during the whole time I'm waiting for a return, I won't be emitting carbon into the atmosphere. Plus, I don't have to pay money to a utility company which, thanks to Citizens United, has a lot more free speech than I do.

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

According to wiki?....

According to the 61 cited references on the page.

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

That whole post is a mess. I suggest you try again.

Translation: I cannot dispute the post, so I'll just make fun of it and declare victory.

 

[BitterPill]

According to the 61 cited references on the page.

Why not use the cited references instead of wiki?

That's what I do.

 

[BitterPill]

Translation: I cannot dispute the post, so I'll just make fun of it and declare victory.

I'm not making fun of your post. Your first post is unnavigable, and I simply suggested you clean it up.

Hey, if you want to post gibberish and declare victory, I imagine it won't be the first time or the last.

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

I'm not making fun of your post. Your first post is unnavigable, and I simply suggested you clean it up.

Hey, if you want to post gibberish and declare victory, I imagine it won't be the first time or the last.

My first post is fine. It's a link, with a few quotes. If you aren't smart enough to navigate to the liked page by clicking on the link, not my problem.

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

Why not use the cited references instead of wiki?

That's what I do.

I wasn't aware we all were required to post in whatever manner you determine is 'correct'. Perhaps you could tell us all when that rule was put into effect?

EDIT: Must be a new rule. I did a search and see many posts where people cited WIKI, and you discussed the quotes they used without whining that it came from Wiki, and complaining that they should have used the cited sources instead.

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

According to wiki?

I installed solar panels, and they work well. It will take years to pay for itself, but during the whole time I'm waiting for a return, I won't be emitting carbon into the atmosphere. Plus, I don't have to pay money to a utility company which, thanks to Citizens United, has a lot more free speech than I do.

Your OP link is THINK PROGRESS of course it's going to push your agenda, it doesn't make it right though. Just saying.

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

I wasn't aware we all were required to post in whatever manner you determine is 'correct'. Perhaps you could tell us all when that rule was put into effect?

EDIT: Must be a new rule. I did a search and see many posts where people cited WIKI, and you discussed the quotes they used without whining that it came from Wiki, and complaining that they should have used the cited sources instead.

To be fair wiki as a lone source is not good to use. The only time I will use wiki as a lone source is when what your discussing is already known information.
But I agree with you he's been in discussions where someone that is on the same side of an issue uses Wiki as a lone source and he says nothing.

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

To be fair wiki as a lone source is not good to use. The only time I will use wiki as a lone source is when what your discussing is already known information.
But I agree with you he's been in discussions where someone that is on the same side of an issue uses Wiki as a lone source and he says nothing.

Agreed. Wiki as the only source ever used is not as good as multiple other sources. However, with the cited references available for viewing simply by clicking the link in said cited reference, whining that Wiki was used at all instead of going directly to the cited source is just that. Whining.

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

Agreed. Wiki as the only source ever used is not as good as multiple other sources. However, with the cited references available for viewing simply by clicking the link in said cited reference, whining that Wiki was used at all instead of going directly to the cited source is just that. Whining.

I learned a long time ago about wiki. I used it as a lone source, I was in this heated discussion on another board, After I posted the link I went back to the wiki source a couple of hours later, the part I had cut and pasted from wiki had been edited and removed.