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Question about Chavez hate.

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How come it is considered heroic if a prominent right winger in this country is anti the US government meddling in their affairs. Yet Chavez was a villain for taking that stance in what he saw as the defense of his own country ?

Sure people say his policies wrecked the Venezuelan economy. But you would be hard pressed to say that Right's policies ended more successfully during the same time period both held power over their respective govts.

Also I don't remember their being a Gitmo or an invasion and occupation of other nation based upon lies or an attempt to overthrow the US by his govt.
 
Spamature said:
How come it is considered heroic if a prominent right winger in this country is anti the US government meddling in their affairs. Yet Chavez was a villain for taking that stance in what he saw as the defense of his own country ?

Sure people say his policies wrecked the Venezuelan economy. But you would be hard pressed to say that Right's policies ended more successfully during the same time period both held power over their respective govts.

Also I don't remember their being a Gitmo or an invasion and occupation of other nation based upon lies or an attempt to overthrow the US by his govt.
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I don't/didn't hate Chavez. I don't think of him as particularly heroic. Some say you can judge a man by his friends:


Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: Hugo Chavez Will Resurrect With Jesus

Hugo Chavez had a friend in Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who apparently held the Venezuelan leader in such high regard that he believes he will "return on resurrection day" with Jesus Christ and will "establish peace, justice, and kindness" on earth.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...ad-hugo-chavez-resurrect-jesus_n_2819630.html


Make of that what you will.
 
Zam-Zam said:
I don't/didn't hate Chavez. I don't think of him as particularly heroic. Some say you can judge a man by his friends:


Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: Hugo Chavez Will Resurrect With Jesus

Hugo Chavez had a friend in Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who apparently held the Venezuelan leader in such high regard that he believes he will "return on resurrection day" with Jesus Christ and will "establish peace, justice, and kindness" on earth.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...ad-hugo-chavez-resurrect-jesus_n_2819630.html


Make of that what you will.
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What I make of that is that Ahmadinejad is a nutcase. Of course, we already knew that, anyway.
 
Zam-Zam said:
I don't/didn't hate Chavez. I don't think of him as particularly heroic. Some say you can judge a man by his friends:


Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: Hugo Chavez Will Resurrect With Jesus

Hugo Chavez had a friend in Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who apparently held the Venezuelan leader in such high regard that he believes he will "return on resurrection day" with Jesus Christ and will "establish peace, justice, and kindness" on earth.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...ad-hugo-chavez-resurrect-jesus_n_2819630.html


Make of that what you will.
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He is at his funeral now. They are all countries trying to find another way, their own ways, independent of the Iron grip of Washington. That is why they stick together.
 
There is ONE Democratic Congressman at the Chavez funeral:

Jackson is not a member of the official U.S. delegation to Chavez's funeral, which includes the American charge d'affaires at its embassy in Caracas, James Derham. U.S. Rep. Gregory Meeks, D-New York, and former lawmaker William Delahunt of Massachusetts make up the rest of the U.S. delegation.

LeRoy: We don't even currently have an ambassador to Venezuela.
 
Spamature said:
How come it is considered heroic if a prominent right winger in this country is anti the US government meddling in their affairs.
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Well, internally I am not heroic in the sense that I saved your baby from imminent danger at great personal risk. Its heroic when the true conservatives stick it to the militaristic Republicans because its cuts against the grain on what is the typically associated pro-defense establishment position of the Republican party.

Spamature said:
Yet Chavez was a villain for taking that stance in what he saw as the defense of his own country ?
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We don't chastise Chavez for being a 'villain' for minding his own business. He is a state supporter of terrorism, specifically funded FARC in Colombia. Even with respect to the internal affairs of Venezuela, which I agree are politically the sovereign function of the Venezuelan people, if you want to call commenting on it meddling, fine.
 
We don't chastise Chavez for being a 'villain' for minding his own business. He is a state supporter of terrorism, specifically funded FARC in Colombia. Even with respect to the internal affairs of Venezuela, which I agree are politically the sovereign function of the Venezuelan people, if you want to call commenting on it meddling, fine.[/QUOTE]

The US did a bit more than "comment" on the Chavez govt.
 
I don't hate Chavez.
But I disagree with everything he was about. Of course he was doing what he thought was best for his country. Don't all dictators (benevolent or not) do exactly that? Yes. They do.
 
Jen said:
I don't hate Chavez.
But I disagree with everything he was about. Of course he was doing what he thought was best for his country. Don't all dictators (benevolent or not) do exactly that? Yes. They do.
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I have to agree here, jen.
Actually, I do not liked this dictator(hate is probably too strong a word-he is too far away and was not affecting much of my life at all, besides cheap oil when we needed it-but that could have been just a Pr stunt), but his voluntarism and many other actions , certainly were on the same list for me as the ones i found bad from Brezhnev, or Putin, or other pieces of shit with political power effecting their thinking and human abilities.
 
Spamature said:
How come it is considered heroic if a prominent right winger in this country is anti the US government meddling in their affairs. Yet Chavez was a villain for taking that stance in what he saw as the defense of his own country ?

Sure people say his policies wrecked the Venezuelan economy. But you would be hard pressed to say that Right's policies ended more successfully during the same time period both held power over their respective govts.

Also I don't remember their being a Gitmo or an invasion and occupation of other nation based upon lies or an attempt to overthrow the US by his govt.
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Personally I hope he is rotting in hell with a pitch fork shoved up his ass.

http://www.hrw.org/world-report-2012/world-report-2012-venezuela


but it is interesting to see you defend some one that described Obama as a "clown" and an "embarrassment" who "turned this country into a disaster".

very interesting indeed.


Pelosi tho,......she got it right

"Hugo Chavez abused the privilege that he had speaking at the United Nations. In doing so, in the manner in which he characterized the President, he demeaned himself and he demeaned Venezuela. I think Hugo Chavez fancies himself a modern-day Simon Bolivar, but all he is is an everyday thug."
 
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