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Raoul_Luke

Raoul_Luke

"Wait, it's all Marxism?" "Always has been."
Why do you believe that an immigration ban on all Muslims (from certain countries that support terrorism) will prevent the radicals from getting here and committing acts of terrorism, yet you believe that gun bans only keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? Isn't the immigration ban going to only affect the law abiding immigrants? It's silly! And it is detracting from the important economic reforms (it's still the economy, stupid) that will create the jobs and wealth that we will need to defeat radical Islamic terrorism.
 
Apparently one can look at the War in Paris presently with Muslims for the answer.........it's the same with a locked door, it only keeps those inside safe, if corrupt want in, they will get in.

I know of NO conservative that believe gun bans only keeps guns out of law abiding citizens. If immigrant is in America illegally they are already not law abiding immigrants.

Welfare for 10's of 1000's immigrant refugees is breaking the taxpayers back.........
 
Raoul_Luke said:
Why do you believe that an immigration ban on all Muslims (from certain countries that support terrorism) will prevent the radicals from getting here and committing acts of terrorism, yet you believe that gun bans only keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? Isn't the immigration ban going to only affect the law abiding immigrants? It's silly! And it is detracting from the important economic reforms (it's still the economy, stupid) that will create the jobs and wealth that we will need to defeat radical Islamic terrorism.
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Lukey, as you know, the right to keep and bear arms is a specifically enumerated constitutional right so central to our foundational principles that it merited not only that specific enumeration, but up front in Amendment #2 within the Bill of Rights.

Immigration and/or refuge-seeking for non-citizens...not so much.

Regardless, though, I favor immigration...just not blind, unvetted "gee, I hope this guy is a good one", fingers-crossed immigration.
 
This is why we need to deport people who are here illegally.
 
Raoul_Luke said:
Why do you believe that an immigration ban on all Muslims (from certain countries that support terrorism) will prevent the radicals from getting here and committing acts of terrorism, yet you believe that gun bans only keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? Isn't the immigration ban going to only affect the law abiding immigrants? It's silly! And it is detracting from the important economic reforms (it's still the economy, stupid) that will create the jobs and wealth that we will need to defeat radical Islamic terrorism.
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Adults Don't Need a Foster Government

Immigrants have no natural right to come here, while Americans have a natural right to have guns. The government has no natural right to make deals on its own but must obey the will of the majority, whether it thinks that is best for us or not.
 
Raoul_Luke said:
Why do you believe that an immigration ban on all Muslims (from certain countries that support terrorism) will prevent the radicals from getting here and committing acts of terrorism, yet you believe that gun bans only keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? Isn't the immigration ban going to only affect the law abiding immigrants? It's silly! And it is detracting from the important economic reforms (it's still the economy, stupid) that will create the jobs and wealth that we will need to defeat radical Islamic terrorism.
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I am not a conservative and didn't vote for Trump.

However a temp ban of immigrants from those failed states can't possibly be a bad thing. If those people can't wait 90 days to get here then they shouldn't be coming.

These are failed states and countries that chant "death to America".

Look no further than Europe to see what can happen.
 
Raoul_Luke said:
Why do you believe that an immigration ban on all Muslims (from certain countries that support terrorism) will prevent the radicals from getting here and committing acts of terrorism, yet you believe that gun bans only keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? Isn't the immigration ban going to only affect the law abiding immigrants? It's silly! And it is detracting from the important economic reforms (it's still the economy, stupid) that will create the jobs and wealth that we will need to defeat radical Islamic terrorism.
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Why do you defy reason? What did logic ever do to you?
 
Raoul_Luke said:
Why do you believe that an immigration ban on all Muslims (from certain countries that support terrorism) will prevent the radicals from getting here and committing acts of terrorism, yet you believe that gun bans only keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? Isn't the immigration ban going to only affect the law abiding immigrants? It's silly! And it is detracting from the important economic reforms (it's still the economy, stupid) that will create the jobs and wealth that we will need to defeat radical Islamic terrorism.
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I'm not sure about the 'conservative' tag; however, the alt-right is chock-full of racist bigots - that is a fact.
 
Raoul_Luke said:
Why do you believe that an immigration ban on all Muslims (from certain countries that support terrorism) will prevent the radicals from getting here and committing acts of terrorism, yet you believe that gun bans only keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? Isn't the immigration ban going to only affect the law abiding immigrants? It's silly! And it is detracting from the important economic reforms (it's still the economy, stupid) that will create the jobs and wealth that we will need to defeat radical Islamic terrorism.
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Why do think letting terrorist in with out vetting process will make America safer?
 
Raoul_Luke said:
Why do you believe that an immigration ban on all Muslims (from certain countries that support terrorism) will prevent the radicals from getting here and committing acts of terrorism, yet you believe that gun bans only keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? Isn't the immigration ban going to only affect the law abiding immigrants? It's silly! And it is detracting from the important economic reforms (it's still the economy, stupid) that will create the jobs and wealth that we will need to defeat radical Islamic terrorism.
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Sorry. Your questions deal with hypotheticals pretending to be fact and wild accusations. Nothing to answer here.
 
Drumcollie said:
Says the party of slavery and segregation.
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That's your party:

“The world in which Alex is a leading voice — a loose collection of internet conspiracy theorists and nationalists and some racists — suddenly has a name: the ‘alt-right movement,’ ” Ronson explains. “As 2016 continued, Trump delighted them, or derived inspiration from them.” Trump’s elevation of former Breitbart News boss Stephen K. Bannon to the role of senior White House strategist is merely the clearest indicator of the enduring connection.​

except I'd change the 'some racists' bit to 'mostly racists.'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rriage-of-convenience/?utm_term=.a410ba7708e0
 
Raoul_Luke said:
Why do you believe that an immigration ban on all Muslims (from certain countries that support terrorism) will prevent the radicals from getting here and committing acts of terrorism, yet you believe that gun bans only keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? Isn't the immigration ban going to only affect the law abiding immigrants? It's silly! And it is detracting from the important economic reforms (it's still the economy, stupid) that will create the jobs and wealth that we will need to defeat radical Islamic terrorism.
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Deportation is much better than shooting on sight or 20 years at hard labor
 
SW48 said:
I am not a conservative and didn't vote for Trump.

However a temp ban of immigrants from those failed states can't possibly be a bad thing. If those people can't wait 90 days to get here then they shouldn't be coming.

These are failed states and countries that chant "death to America".

Look no further than Europe to see what can happen.
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It's a bad thing for the people who are living in that failed state with their lives in danger. Suppose this were a domestic policy. How would you feel if there was a law that prevented you from moving from a bad neighborhood where your family was in danger because everyone who lived there was judged by the worst people in that neighborhood.
 
Spamature said:
It's a bad thing for the people who are living in that failed state with their lives in danger. Suppose this were a domestic policy. How would you feel if there was a law that prevented you from moving from a bad neighborhood where your family was in danger because everyone who lived there was judged by the worst people in that neighborhood.
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Americans have the right to move out of bad neighborhoods, refugees in terrorist countries don't have a right to move to America.
 
Drumcollie said:
Why do think letting terrorist in with out vetting process will make America safer?
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Because if the bad guys want to come here, they're going to get in - ban or no ban. Personally I think we should take only well educated immigrants who have a traceable record of achievement in their home land, regardless of what country they come from.

A lot of you guys are missing the point. It's a waste of time and effort that Trump should be spending on economic reforms.

Almost every one of the US terrorist attacks involved people from countries other than these seven. And, like a gun ban doesn't keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys, an immigration ban isn't going to keep terrorists from continuing to come here and kill us.

Instead of doing this silly EO, Trump should have had congress pass sweeping immigration reform where getting a green card is based on merit (only). Then the courts (and public opinion) couldn't make him look like a racist through the meme of it being a "muslim ban."
 
Capitalist said:
Why do you defy reason? What did logic ever do to you?
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I'm using perfect logic.

1) No one from any of these seven countries has ever perpetrated a terrorist attack in America.

2) Giving your opponents a bat that they can beat you with is stupid.
 
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