Question for PJ Cons

[Judy1]

Been reading a lot out there that some GOP's think that the party needs to be more inclusive and reach out to women and minorities, or face extinction. Do you believe this to be true, or do you believe the party needs to tack further to the right?

If you believe you need to reach out, how would you propose to do it? Do you just drop any mention of social policies from your campaigns, or do you have to actually have policies that are in step with the rest of the country? If you need to change your polciies, please give an example.

 

[fxstc]

Been reading a lot out there that some GOP's think that the party needs to be more inclusive and reach out to women and minorities, or face extinction. Do you believe this to be true, or do you believe the party needs to tack further to the right?

If you believe you need to reach out, how would you propose to do it? Do you just drop any mention of social policies from your campaigns, or do you have to actually have policies that are in step with the rest of the country? If you need to change your polciies, please give an example.

I can give at least one example.
In 1981 Reagan (got something like 35% of latino votes,) signed an amnesty bill. and the next time he ran, he got17% of latino vote.
Sadly, and you will probably disagree with this, is how Rs are portraid by the left.
I defintely would NOT want my party to move further right.
I have a question for you.
What womens rights are you concerned with?
Please, I want YOUR answer, not an answer that is percieved

 

[fxstc]

I can give at least one example.
In 1981 Reagan (got something like 35% of latino votes,) signed an amnesty bill. and the next time he ran, he got17% of latino vote.
Sadly, and you will probably disagree with this, is how Rs are portraid by the left.
I defintely would NOT want my party to move further right.
I have a question for you.
What womens rights are you concerned with?
Please, I want YOUR answer, not an answer that is percieved

In other words, (Example of) what womens rights were you denied when Bush was Prez?

 

[Jen]

I believe that the GOP needs to be more inclusive and reach out. There are plenty of women in the GOP, but they are of the sort that believe that a woman really is responsible for her own body; responsible enough not to get pregnant if she doesn't want a baby right now. But the GOP needs to broaden out and admit that sometimes things happen to even the most responsible woman and she gets pregnant and is also responsible for how she deals with that pregnancy (and it might include abortion). And the GOP needs to back away from the thought that ALL abortion is out of the question, even an abortion after rape and incest or if the mother's life is in danger. It's okay for individuals to believe that to be true but the public policy needs to be about a woman's personal responsibility and choice.

I think that the way to expand the GOP's outreach is to make it a personal belief versus a political/ legal stand on an issue. I am personally against any abortion except one done to save the mother's life. But legally and politically, I am firmly in favor of having abortion remain legal. A doctor and his patient should never have to worry about legal ramifications when deciding what is best. My personal feelings on abortion are irrelevant in deciding what legal position should be available.

The way that the GOP can expand its borders is to make that distinction between personal belief and legality in abortion and in other areas such as gay marriage. Some on the far right will be lost, but the GOP must move center, not dig in further to the right.

The war on women in general that is put out there .....the "Stepford Wife" thing....... simply is not true. No Republican woman that I know (and I know many) has EVER been the little stepford wife.

 

[gabriel]

I believe that the GOP needs to be more inclusive and reach out. There are plenty of women in the GOP, but they are of the sort that believe that a woman really is responsible for her own body; responsible enough not to get pregnant if she doesn't want a baby right now. But the GOP needs to broaden out and admit that sometimes things happen to even the most responsible woman and she gets pregnant and is also responsible for how she deals with that pregnancy (and it might include abortion). And the GOP needs to back away from the thought that ALL abortion is out of the question, even an abortion after rape and incest or if the mother's life is in danger. It's okay for individuals to believe that to be true but the public policy needs to be about a woman's personal responsibility and choice.

I think that the way to expand the GOP's outreach is to make it a personal belief versus a political/ legal stand on an issue. I am personally against any abortion except one done to save the mother's life. But legally and politically, I am firmly in favor of having abortion remain legal. A doctor and his patient should never have to worry about legal ramifications when deciding what is best. My personal feelings on abortion are irrelevant in deciding what legal position should be available.

The way that the GOP can expand its borders is to make that distinction between personal belief and legality in abortion and in other areas such as gay marriage. Some on the far right will be lost, but the GOP must move center, not dig in further to the right.

The war on women in general that is put out there .....the "Stepford Wife" thing....... simply is not true. No Republican woman that I know (and I know many) has EVER been the little stepford wife.

in other words the GOP is doomed

 

[worldlymrb]

The GOP establishment has embraced neo democratic fascist socialism and are more than happy with their minority status as long as they get to pretend to be great providers for the masses too.

My part is to warn everybody that MORE GOVT = LESS CONSUMER GOODS and requires a authoritarian control grid to enforce.

However, I don't think it will matter until the EBT cards are forever empty, same w/store shelves, as AmericAA- goes into receivership to the IMF/World Bank. This will quickly happen when USD is stripped as World Reserve Currency and interest rate leave zero for double digits. Not to mention, any transaction will have to backed by REAL ASSETS, (which can't be printed).

 

[JuliefromOhio]

Been reading a lot out there that some GOP's think that the party needs to be more inclusive and reach out to women and minorities, or face extinction. Do you believe this to be true, or do you believe the party needs to tack further to the right?

If you believe you need to reach out, how would you propose to do it? Do you just drop any mention of social policies from your campaigns, or do you have to actually have policies that are in step with the rest of the country? If you need to change your polciies, please give an example.

in Ohio, the repub House and Senate majority have apparently decided to double-down with the same old, same old. they've reintroduced a bill to defund Planned Parenthood and reintroduced a "heartbeat" bill that would essentially outlaw abortion.

 

[NightSwimmer]

In Michigan, they've eliminated the child tax credit and attempted to replace it with a fetus tax credit.

No.... Seriously.

 

[Judy1]

Its a matter of respect. When women as a group are denied ability to make their own medical descisions by republicans in general, white christian men, to be more specific,what other rights and liberties will they take away in the future? When women are denied coverage of basic necessities like birth control, what else will they deny us. When women are denied pay equity, it hurts us all. I don't have to be of child bearing age or a low pay job to feel threatened and disrepected, much in the same way that I also don't have to be black to appreciate the abolition of slavery. What's your point?

 

[Judy1]

thanks for the honest answer Jen. I'm a little concerned because I was watching an interview...(I think it was Newt Gingerich) where he said that Republicans need to stop having the appearance of extreme views on social issues. I'm not clear if meant that they should just shut up about the controversial stuff and quietly keep and promote the policies, or if he meant something else. If its the former, then I don't see your party moving forward.

 

[gabriel]

The GOP establishment has embraced neo democratic fascist socialism and are more than happy with their minority status as long as they get to pretend to be great providers for the masses too.

My part is to warn everybody that MORE GOVT = LESS CONSUMER GOODS and requires a authoritarian control grid to enforce.

However, I don't think it will matter until the EBT cards are forever empty, same w/store shelves, as AmericAA- goes into receivership to the IMF/World Bank. This will quickly happen when USD is stripped as World Reserve Currency and interest rate leave zero for double digits. Not to mention, any transaction will have to backed by REAL ASSETS, (which can't be printed).

everybody?? on this two bit forum?? lol

 

[Zoar]

Current Rupublican party is socially and ideologically right wing and parroting the outright lies and propaganda spewed by right wing ideologues such as Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter. These are the BRAINS of the republican party today. They are venemous perpetuators of discontent and anger and a strong sense of rightousness whereby UBER right wing is THE ONLY POSITION to take.

Such hardliners and fanatics rule Republicans.

They cannot just say "Oh we just won't talk about or show anyone our SOCIAL policy and expect that to be okay. REPUBLICANS are so deeply defined by their Medieval Social beliefs and dogmas which are so far out of step with most humans on the planet.

The best thing the Republicans can do is totally redefine who they are and drop 70% of their current ideals, policies and values and their war on a woman's right to choose is one specific policy.

 

[Jen]

If Newt meant that Republicans should learn how to separate their personal beliefs from what needs to be law, then I agree with him. There is a difference. And when I talk to Democrats about abortion (for example) none of them think it's a "good" thing.......just that it should be available and legal. That's what I think too.

I believe that many Republicans understand that difference between personal belief and legality. This time, it seemed to me that abortion had become a non-issue for Republicans, but the Democrats worked very hard to make "women's rights" an issue in the campaign. Note that whenever it was talked about, it was almost always the Democrats doing the talking accusing Republicans of some woman-hating thoughts. Those weren't Republican thoughts, they were the thoughts that Democrats said were Republican thoughts and then pretended some Republican said them. And of course, there were a couple of Republicans who said really stupid things that only they believe and the Democratic projection was a done deal.

Republicans and Democrats are not that far apart on their views on abortion. But their demonization of each other makes it a huge gulf.

thanks for the honest answer Jen. I'm a little concerned because I was watching an interview...(I think it was Newt Gingerich) where he said that Republicans need to stop having the appearance of extreme views on social issues. I'm not clear if meant that they should just shut up about the controversial stuff and quietly keep and promote the policies, or if he meant something else. If its the former, then I don't see your party moving forward.

 

[MrPinko]

Been reading a lot out there that some GOP's think that the party needs to be more inclusive and reach out to women and minorities, or face extinction. Do you believe this to be true, or do you believe the party needs to tack further to the right?

If you believe you need to reach out, how would you propose to do it? Do you just drop any mention of social policies from your campaigns, or do you have to actually have policies that are in step with the rest of the country? If you need to change your polciies, please give an example.

Sure.

Drop using social issues like gay marriage as political wedge points, leave cannabis law reform to the state level.

Drop the "we're going to name SC justices to overturn Roe-Wade if we win the WH" rhetoric. Not a damn thing wrong with moral opposition to abortion and opposing Fed tax dollars funding abortion, but there's no going back to the pre-Roe Wade days. Closing the killing mills will send abortion back to the back alleys and dumpsters of America.

Embrace equal pay for equal work.

I'd like GOP congressmen to decide on who they were elected to serve, the American people or Grover Norquist.

Agree to approach immigration reform with a true bipartisan spirit that will include a limited guest worker program, a path to citizenship for some, real and stiff penalties for employers who repeatedly hire illegals.

I'd love to see the party actually support fiscal discipline by dropping the defense budget hawk/scaremonger tactics and face down the upcoming boomer SS and Medicare explosion by cutting defense spending. We could keep America safe and increase benefits for all of our troops through a combination of strategic adjustments, taking on the defense lobby, selling off unnecessary and unused military land and infrastructure. No politician wants to touch this one though.


That's just for starters. And I'm obviously referring to reaching out to all of America with my suggestions above, not just women and minorities.

 

[Judy1]

This time, it seemed to me that abortion had become a non-issue for Republicans, but the Democrats worked very hard to make "women's rights" an issue in the campaign. Note that whenever it was talked about, it was almost always the Democrats doing the talking accusing Republicans of some woman-hating thoughts.

Nope, at the local level, all sorts of nutty ideas were being voted on in several statehouses. It was the cons that were making the outrageous statements about "legitimate rape" and defunding Planned Parenthood etc. How can you possibly say that it is a non issue for Republicans?

 

[fairsheet]

One way or another, virtually everything the GOP is about, is preserving or protecting some position or another - whether it be in terms of resources, "rights", authority, or social. I think.....maybe -post the recent election - some of them are now thinking in terms of sort of "opening up" a little and offering to "share" a little of what they consider theirs, as long as it's within limits and doesn't threaten to cut into what they consider theirs.

That won't cut it. The only thing that will, is if they show they're willing to risk it ALL, with the confidence that they can "compete" on their own.

 

[Judy1]

Like!

Good answer, thanks.

 

[Jen]

I mentioned the "legitimate rape" nuts in my post. There are always nuts. And of course since they play into the Democrat's desired stereotype, they are the ones who are reported by the news. In reality, they are just as representative of the GOP as a whole as..........pure Marxist Socialists and Communists are of Democrats in general.

Nope, at the local level, all sorts of nutty ideas were being voted on in several statehouses. It was the cons that were making the outrageous statements about "legitimate rape" and defunding Planned Parenthood etc. How can you possibly say that it is a non issue for Republicans?

 

[Judy1]

Do you consider those in Congress pushing to defund Planned Parenthood and full rights from conception, nutty wingnut types? truthfully, we don't see a lot of nutty wingnut types on the left controlling the democratic party, at least not to the extent that it happens on the right, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing an image problem with the GOP. GOP did not win over independants, that speaks volumes about whose party is out of control, and to blame the media or the dems is a little like sticking ones head in the sand. On the one hand you acknowledge the problem with some of the social issues, but then you come right back and blame on the media. Which is it?

 

[Zoar]

Judy----LIKE!!! Good reply!