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Figjam

Figjam

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...the basis for this question is related to my impression of the "extreme" right associated with the republican party - why does the mainstream republican party seem to feel they need to identify so closely with this group of people? From my perspective, the hard right of the party is both running and ruining it. What was once the party of intellect and solutions now looks like a party of extreme religious fanatics that crucify anyone who dares go against their views.

...indeed the democrats have an extreme "left" but these fringes do not drive the overall party direction like the extreme right dictates to republicans.

...personally, I would prefer to have a "choice" come election day. It seems that unless the republicans can "fix" their primary system where the extremes do not drive the party off the cliff during the primaries we will end up as we had in 2012 and that is not good for America...

...maybe it doesn't really matter - lawmakers do very little nowadays, everything is run by lobbyists - maybe we should just vote for lobbyist's...
 
Figjam said:
...the basis for this question is related to my impression of the "extreme" right associated with the republican party - why does the mainstream republican party seem to feel they need to identify so closely with this group of people? From my perspective, the hard right of the party is both running and ruining it. What was once the party of intellect and solutions now looks like a party of extreme religious fanatics that crucify anyone who dares go against their views.

...indeed the democrats have an extreme "left" but these fringes do not drive the overall party direction like the extreme right dictates to republicans.

...personally, I would prefer to have a "choice" come election day. It seems that unless the republicans can "fix" their primary system where the extremes do not drive the party off the cliff during the primaries we will end up as we had in 2012 and that is not good for America...

...maybe it doesn't really matter - lawmakers do very little nowadays, everything is run by lobbyists - maybe we should just vote for lobbyist's...
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let's see... Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy, McConnell and Cornyn run the Republican party in DC...how many of them are "extreme"?
 
Dino said:
let's see... Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy, McConnell and Cornyn run the Republican party in DC...how many of them are "extreme"?
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...well, depends upon what one would classify as extreme. If a party's main goal in 2009 was to make a president of the other party a one-termer, I'd say that is somewhat extreme. If another would never vote for a tax increase because he signed a "pledge" to an outside entity, we have another form of extreme - and then if we hold the entire government hostage, creating a false budget crisis, well then we have another side of extremism.

...so are you disagreeing with me that the extreme right does NOT influence republican "policy"?
 
Figjam said:
...well, depends upon what one would classify as extreme. If a party's main goal in 2009 was to make a president of the other party a one-termer, I'd say that is somewhat extreme. If another would never vote for a tax increase because he signed a "pledge" to an outside entity, we have another form of extreme - and then if we hold the entire government hostage, creating a false budget crisis, well then we have another side of extremism.

...so are you disagreeing with me that the extreme right does NOT influence republican "policy"?
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Really? You don't think it's always the duty of the opposition party to reduce an opposing party president to one term?

Standing on principle to oppose tax hikes is "extreme"?

Of course, no one "held the entire government hostage", that's hyperbolic spin.

So I don't think you're looking for an actual solution to "extremism" whatsoever.
 
Figjam said:
...the basis for this question is related to my impression of the "extreme" right associated with the republican party - why does the mainstream republican party seem to feel they need to identify so closely with this group of people? From my perspective, the hard right of the party is both running and ruining it. What was once the party of intellect and solutions now looks like a party of extreme religious fanatics that crucify anyone who dares go against their views.

...indeed the democrats have an extreme "left" but these fringes do not drive the overall party direction like the extreme right dictates to republicans.

...personally, I would prefer to have a "choice" come election day. It seems that unless the republicans can "fix" their primary system where the extremes do not drive the party off the cliff during the primaries we will end up as we had in 2012 and that is not good for America...

...maybe it doesn't really matter - lawmakers do very little nowadays, everything is run by lobbyists - maybe we should just vote for lobbyist's...
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The relentless slippery slope of the liberal agenda has met the wall. Compromise always shifts policy to the left. Year in and year out until we have leftist standards. No more. Finito.
 
Dino said:
let's see... Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy, McConnell and Cornyn run the Republican party in DC...how many of them are "extreme"?
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All of them are extreme right-wingers in their own right. Still, they appear moderate in comparison to the Tea Party contingent that has been driving Republican policy proposals and parliamentary procedures over the past four years.
 
Dino said:
Really? You don't think it's always the duty of the opposition party to reduce an opposing party president to one term?

Standing on principle to oppose tax hikes is "extreme"?

Of course, no one "held the entire government hostage", that's hyperbolic spin.

So I don't think you're looking for an actual solution to "extremism" whatsoever.
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  1. No - it should not be anyone's primary goal regardless of party - isn't it country first?
  2. We pledge allegiance to the Flag not to grover snorequist.
  3. Speaking of dodge - parry - thrust (spin) I see you have not even considered answering the original question - and therein lies the problem.
 
NightSwimmer said:
All of them are extreme right-wingers in their own right. Still, they appear moderate in comparison to the Tea Party contingent that has been driving Republican policy proposals and parliamentary procedures over the past four years.
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What a juvenile argument. That's like my saying Steny Hoyer and Harry Reid are extreme liberals, but Nancy Pelosi and Dick Durbin are REALLY out there, and then of course, there are the actual leftist wacko extremists!

Your argument is: anyone to the right of me is an "extremist". Juvenile.
 
resident_evil said:
The relentless slippery slope of the liberal agenda has met the wall. Compromise always shifts policy to the left. Year in and year out until we have leftist standards. No more. Finito.
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...gone are the days of a Nixonian republican - you know the ones who first contemplated single-payer healthcare. The republican party has changed and not for the better...
 
Figjam said:
  1. No - it should not be anyone's primary goal regardless of party - isn't it country first?
  2. We pledge allegiance to the Flag not to grover snorequist.
  3. Speaking of dodge - parry - thrust (spin) I see you have not even considered answering the original question - and therein lies the problem.
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"Pledging allegiance" does not require creating new entitlement programs and then using the IRS as a bludgeon to try to pay for them.

The original question cannot be answered if you're not using a realistic definition of "extreme". Clearly you're not.
 
Dino said:
let's see... Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy, McConnell and Cornyn run the Republican party in DC...how many of them are "extreme"?
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They USED to run your party, but are currently being ridden like rented mules by the fringers under threat or reality of getting teabagged from the right.

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Dino said:
"Pledging allegiance" does not require creating new entitlement programs and then using the IRS as a bludgeon to try to pay for them.

The original question cannot be answered if you're not using a realistic definition of "extreme". Clearly you're not.
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...well dino, from my perspective, if you need to cowtow to the extreme right to get the republican nomination during the primaries republicans will never will another general presidential election. That, to me is a bad thing because I would like to have a choice.

...you can attack me all you want for posing a question. Extreme can be defined in many ways. I would say that cruz's shutting down the government was extreme beyond extreme. Do I like pelosi? - fvck no - she is cruz with a bigger set of balls...
 
Figjam said:
...gone are the days of a Nixonian republican - you know the ones who first contemplated single-payer healthcare. The republican party has changed and not for the better...
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I'm glad you miss Nixon. He said you would.

You already know my take on a health care system that would work for all. It doesn't involve single payer.
 
Dino said:
What a juvenile argument. That's like my saying Steny Hoyer and Harry Reid are extreme liberals, but Nancy Pelosi and Dick Durbin are REALLY out there, and then of course, there are the actual leftist wacko extremists!

Your argument is: anyone to the right of me is an "extremist". Juvenile.
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So then, you are in denial of the fact that every moderate Republican in Congress has been purged? Do you even know what the word "juvenile" means, little boy?
 
Figjam said:
...the basis for this question is related to my impression of the "extreme" right associated with the republican party - why does the mainstream republican party seem to feel they need to identify so closely with this group of people? From my perspective, the hard right of the party is both running and ruining it. What was once the party of intellect and solutions now looks like a party of extreme religious fanatics that crucify anyone who dares go against their views.

...indeed the democrats have an extreme "left" but these fringes do not drive the overall party direction like the extreme right dictates to republicans.

...personally, I would prefer to have a "choice" come election day. It seems that unless the republicans can "fix" their primary system where the extremes do not drive the party off the cliff during the primaries we will end up as we had in 2012 and that is not good for America...

...maybe it doesn't really matter - lawmakers do very little nowadays, everything is run by lobbyists - maybe we should just vote for lobbyist's...
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what evidence do you have that "mainstream" republicans identify with "extremists"?

do you have a poll, or some other evidence of this?
 
NightSwimmer said:
So then, you are in denial of the fact that every moderate Republican in Congress has been purged? Do you even know what the word "juvenile" means, little boy?
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No. They have not been "purged", how insane. You're either being flippant now or just lying through your teeth. Saying something like that makes you appear a political neophyte, a partisan bombthrower.

Get real.
 
Dino said:
No. They have not been "purged", how insane. You're either being flippant now or just lying through your teeth. Saying something like that makes you appear a political neophyte, a partisan bombthrower.

Get real.
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Dino,

You wouldn't recognize reality if the fog were to one day be lifted from your eyes and you encountered it face to face.
 
NightSwimmer said:
Dino,

You wouldn't recognize reality if the fog were to one day be lifted from your eyes and you encountered it face to face.
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Yeah, I know. You're incredibly wise.

I should walk around Washington DC (as I do almost daily) thinking everyone to my political left is an "extremist". That would make me appear very worldy, mature, and tolerant.

You're a nut.
 
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