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I admit I didn't think Trump had a chance, and I now see why. I wholly misread the level of racist bigotry that exists in this country, yet this forum should have warned me.
You believe that Trump voters are bigots?
To me that's an indication that you believe the propaganda the MSM has fed you. If you were to look at things objectively you would see things differently. Let me ask you a couple of questions. I don't want you to answer me.......I'm nobody. But I would like for you to think about the answers and come to conclusions not fed to you by anyone, especially the MSM.

In this country we have lots of different races, ethnic groups, skin colors and cultures. The best way to support all of the differences is thought by some to be to put them all in their appropriate color or cultural slot and give those slots with less population a "leg up" because they can't (for various reasons) be successful on their own.

1. How is singling out different skin colors or cultures helpful to people in those groups?
2.Is separating people into groups a sign of bigotry or it is a lack of bigotry?
3. Might those people be helped more if they were accepted into the inclusive group of "Americans" and treated as normal, successful, able Americans?


Trump's thought, and the thought of Trump supporters is that we are all Americans. Laws are created to give us all rights. Nobody is so lame and dumb that they have to have their group singled out to receive special help because of the inherent dumbness of their skin color or culture. We are all Americans.

To many on the Left, sorting is the answer.
To Populists (not necessarily Left or Right - and Trump is neither Left nor Right) we are ALL important. We are defined by more than our skin color or culture.
 
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I admit I didn't think Trump had a chance, and I now see why. I wholly misread the level of racist bigotry that exists in this country, yet this forum should have warned me.

This political season has redefined the word racist to mean anyone of differing opinion.

Now the word has been overused and is meaningless especially in a country of equality.
 
I often pointed out that it was unlikely that any poster here, liberal or conservative, was a paid activist, for the simple reason that Political Jack would be a poor target for paid work, given its small audience of mostly hard-core partisans. You could post here for years and be lucky to sway a single vote. It would be more cost-effective to target forums with a lot more people, or at least people who are less entrenched in their positions. That point has a broader implication. Posting about politics here is self-indulgent, in that the same time and effort would do a lot more good elsewhere. So, if people are curious about my absence, that's the reason. I'm going to be more strategic about where and how I post.
How much do you get paid to say this.

Btw it is self indulgent


Also don't take yourself so seriously...no one else does. You were going to try to elect a woman who has violated are security laws and her Husband who has violated many women. You should just let it go.
 
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I enjoyed my time here and am thankful for forums like these as a venue for getting my own thoughts in order and having my ideas tested. But I haven't given up hope that people can actually be convinced by way of information and rational analysis, and that takes a different audience profile than the one here, which consists of deeply entrenched partisans.
I have had some good discussions with you here, Arkady, and I know others have too. All of us do well talking to each other when we leave behind the personal attacks. I know I walk away from you or anyone when that starts. As I said earlier, I hope you find your niche. If it's not here then good luck. I've found another forum where I don't have to fear personal attacks when people disagree with me and it's got a better feel to it. So good luck on your journey.
 
I think what is really bugging him is trying to maintain the illusion to sustain forum arguments for a Democrat party and leadership that continues to degrade itself year after year...

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Arkady uses statistics all the time.
Yes. I know. I was hoping to get some howling laughter out of it. Looks like a few people got it.

I'm one of the posters who utterly destroys Arkady and his statistics on a regular basis.

Do a search on "lies, damn lies and statistics" and my nic will probably come up all over the place bashing Arkady on some number he pulled out of his ass curtesy of his boss.
 
This is a good post, Jen, and I appreciate the effort you put in on my behalf. Thank you.

You believe that Trump voters are bigots?
To me that's an indication that you believe the propaganda the MSM has fed you. If you were to look at things objectively you would see things differently. Let me ask you a couple of questions. I don't want you to answer me.......I'm nobody. But I would like for you to think about the answers and come to conclusions not fed to you by anyone, especially the MSM.

I believe many, if not most, of Trump's supporters are racists and bigots, and I'll tell you why in a bit, but I assure you that belief is not a result of the MSM, rather a knowledge of the things Trump has said.

In this country we have lots of different races, ethnic groups, skin colors and cultures. The best way to support all of the differences is thought by some to be to put them all in their appropriate color or cultural slot and give those slots with less population a "leg up" because they can't (for various reasons) be successful on their own.

1. How is singling out different skin colors or cultures helpful to people in those groups?
2.Is separating people into groups a sign of bigotry or it is a lack of bigotry?
3. Might those people be helped more if they were accepted into the inclusive group of "Americans" and treated as normal, successful, able Americans?

I'm not a fan of separating people into different racial categories, yet I realize the practice exists. On this you and I agree. Sadly, there is nothing I can do about that, and I may even be guilty of doing so in the past and maybe even in the future though I am forever on the lookout for hypocrisy cropping-up in my thoughts since thought begets action.

For example, Affirmative Action, a battering ram the right uses with some effect, while largely dismantled is an example of a good intention creating a whole new problem.

It seems some groups of people resent it when other groups of people get what is perceived as deferential treatment by our government, and I can understand that though I surely wish we weren't groups of people.

Trump's thought, and the thought of Trump supporters is that we are all Americans. Laws are created to give us all rights. Nobody is so lame and dumb that they have to have their group singled out to receive special help because of the inherent dumbness of their skin color or culture. We are all Americans.

To many on the Left, sorting is the answer.
To Populists (not necessarily Left or Right - and Trump is neither Left nor Right) we are ALL important. We are defined by more than our skin color or culture.

This is why I think many or most of Trump's supporters are racist bigots:

I have asked many people to defend Trump's racist and bigoted comments. Some people don't or won't answer, and I think I know why, but I'm going to keep on them.

And then there are the people who defend Trump's bigoted and racist comments, and my point is made.

One thing I haven't yet seen: A Trump supporter condemning Trump for his racist, bigoted comments, but today is a new day, so perhaps I will.

And, once again, thank you for a good post.
 
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Mr. Pill,

Delusion does not look good on you.

Perhaps you can explain your skewed version of reality to me so I can understand.

The delusion you see is your own. I say that because that is the nature of delusion.

If you want me to explain reality for you, it's going to take a while, and I have time, but I have to be sure you are worth it first, and a good start would be saying you're worth it:


I want to hear you say it first.
 
The delusion you see is your own. I say that because that is the nature of delusion.

If you want me to explain reality for you, it's going to take a while, and I have time, but I have to be sure you are worth it first, and a good start would be saying you're worth it:


I want to hear you say it first.

Mr. Pill,

So you can't defend your position except by posting a music video totally unrelated to the subject?

I humbly accept your acquiescence.
 
Mr. Pill,

So you can't defend your position except by posting a music video totally unrelated to the subject?

I humbly accept your acquiescence.

I see you readily and humbly acquiesce to delusion, and I don't think you should. I never would, but your acquiescence is what it is.
 
I thought it was more likely than not that Clinton would win, based on my impression (which ended up being right) that she was the more popular of the two candidates. But I thought there was a very real chance that Trump would win, which is why, as I said, I was having trouble sleeping due to politics for the first time since 2000:

https://www.politicaljack.com/threads/election-nerves.97294/

As I said in that thread, humans have the ability to perceive things at a subconscious level --essentially, what you'd call a "gut" reaction-- and my gut was telling me this felt like 2000, only worse.
Arkady, when Trump won that night I thought about what you had said concerning your sleep problems.
Sure hate to see you go, Arkady. It's been fun conversing with you. We usually agree, thankfully. Come by and say hello once in awhile.
Bye for now, my friend.
 
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