Real Intentions

[American Patriot]

I just finished reading a very interesting article. Now I understand a bit better why Obama is so insistent on the tax rate increases even though the plan submitted by the GOP would have given him his revenue he wanted. Obama is playing politics.

By going off the cliff the Democrats will get almost everything they are asking for, big tax rate increases, massive cuts in defense. What they are not likely to get is an unlimited debt ceiling and huge increases in capital for more government spending.

It looks like we may be going off this cliff. Obama will blame the GOP and so will many Americans. But what will really happen to our economy? The average American may see his taxes go up about $3500, however the small business owner will see his taxes go up, right at $119,000.00. What this will do is cause small business to cut back, lay off workers, stop expansion, diminish investment. It has been estimated that some two million jobs may be lost. Other factors that could be directly impacted are the markets as well as interest rates and inflation. Obama will have made his political point, but at what cost? The cost will be that we will be face to face with recession, again. I had to wonder, are these Obama's real intentions?

 

[OldGaffer]

97% of small bisinessess earn less than 250,000 a year, ergo, zero tax increase, quit drinking the far right wing whack job kool-aide.

 

[MaryAnne]

I just finished reading a very interesting article. Now I understand a bit better why Obama is so insistent on the tax rate increases even though the plan submitted by the GOP would have given him his revenue he wanted. Obama is playing politics.

By going off the cliff the Democrats will get almost everything they are asking for, big tax rate increases, massive cuts in defense. What they are not likely to get is an unlimited debt ceiling and huge increases in capital for more government spending.

It looks like we may be going off this cliff. Obama will blame the GOP and so will many Americans. But what will really happen to our economy? The average American may see his taxes go up about $3500, however the small business owner will see his taxes go up, right at $119,000.00. What this will do is cause small business to cut back, lay off workers, stop expansion, diminish investment. It has been estimated that some two million jobs may be lost. Other factors that could be directly impacted are the markets as well as interest rates and inflation. Obama will have made his political point, but at what cost? The cost will be that we will be face to face with recession, again. I had to wonder, are these Obama's real intentions?

Who wrote the article you just spewed? I notice you did not give a name. Wonder why?Krauthammer? Will? That is the kind of tripe they write and it as all just, "I wonder if!"

Facts matter around here. I see no facts,just fantasies.

 

[American Patriot]

Who wrote the article you just spewed? I notice you did not give a name. Wonder why?Krauthammer? Will? That is the kind of tripe they write and it as all just, "I wonder if!"

Facts matter around here. I see no facts,just fantasies.

Not quite, Mary Anne: See Below


Tax cheat Tim Geithner reveals Obama's true intentions: 'absolutely ...
www.fireandreamitchell.com/.../tax-cheat-tim-geithner-reveals-obam...3 days ago – While tax cheat Tim Geithner revealed Obama's true intentions of his desire to go over the fiscal cliff, he probably wouldn't get that chance.
The Liberal Lie, The Conservative Truth: OBAMA'S, "FISCAL CLIFF ...
theliberalslies.blogspot.com/2012/12/obamas-fiscal-cliff-plan.html3 days ago – Obama's real plan is to let this cliff happen in order to get the military cuts he ... He knows it is a win/win situation for him and has no intention of ...The Fiscal Cliff: What Does Obama Really Want? | FreedomWorks
www.freedomworks.org/.../the-fiscal-cliff-what-does-obama-really-w...4 days ago – The Fiscal Cliff: What Does Obama Really Want? .... Although the content is not very good, but is also the intention to write out something.

The Fiscal Cliff: What Does Obama Really Want? | FreedomWorks
www.freedomworks.org/.../the-fiscal-cliff-what-does-obama-really-w...4 days ago – The Fiscal Cliff: What Does Obama Really Want? .... Although the content is not very good, but is also the intention to write out something.

Thune: Obama 'Not Very Engaged' During Fiscal Cliff Negotiations
www.breitbart.com/.../Thune-Obama-Not-Very-Engaged-During-Fis...20 hours ago – ... Friday that President Barack Obama is “not very engaged” during fiscal cliff ... does not care much about reaching a deal because he wants toBoehner: Going to edge of fiscal cliff Obama's 'deliberate strategy ...
dailycaller.com/.../boehner-going-off-fiscal-cliff-is-obamas-deliberat...1 day ago – House Speaker John Boehner said on Friday that going to the “edge of the fiscal cliff” is President Obama's “deliberate strategy” in negotiations ...

Obama's epic fiscal cliff flip flop – Glenn Beck
www.glennbeck.com/2012/12/06/obama’s-epic-fiscal-cliff-flip-flop/2 days ago – The fiscal cliff is rapidly approaching, and no one can seem to agree on a ... Obama wants to go off the cliff and bame the economic depression

 

[American Patriot]

97% of small bisinessess earn less than 250,000 a year, ergo, zero tax increase, quit drinking the far right wing whack job kool-aide.

Where are you getting these delusional statistics? Over 620 thousand small businesses would be effected directly, and estimated 720 thousand workers would loose their jobs immediately followed by an estimated 2 million to become unemployed as a direct result. These numbers are from the CBO. Where are your numbers from?

 

[Friday13]

Freedomworks? Breitfart? Glennbeck?

 

[MaryAnne]

Where are you getting these delusional statistics? Over 620 thousand small businesses would be effected directly, and estimated 720 thousand workers would loose their jobs immediately followed by an estimated 2 million to become unemployed as a direct result. These numbers are from the CBO. Where are your numbers from?

I have a question for you,AP.Just had this same discussion on another board.

Isn't it true that the first 250,000 of income would not be affected? Many Husbands and Wives average that income with both working.The hysteria over raising taxes after the 250,000 or 500,000,depending on what they do is just that! Hysteria,with out thinking.

 

[MaryAnne]

Thanks AP. You just answered my question,but I have to tell you, I already knew the source)

 

[MaryAnne]

AP must be new at this. He has not figured out we can spot them a mile away)

 

[American Patriot]

Freedomworks? Breitfart? Glennbeck?

I know you only accept move on.org and progressive socialists.com

 

[American Patriot]

Thanks AP. You just answered my question,but I have to tell you, I already knew the source)

I guess you guys just don't care about the two million who will loose their jobs, or the effects on the market, and we already know the debt is a non issue with the left. It just doesn't seem to matter all that matters is the Obama political agenda and socialism.

 

[American Patriot]

AP must be new at this. He has not figured out we can spot them a mile away)

You best stick together when your house of cards comes tumbling down that is all you will have.

 

[MaryAnne]

I guess you guys just don't care about the two million who will loose their jobs, or the effects on the market, and we already know the debt is a non issue with the left. It just doesn't seem to matter all that matters is the Obama political agenda and socialism.

All of what you wrote is just speculation,AP. I doubt very much John Boehner will let us go off the so called cliff. He knows he will be blamed. I am surprised he did not tell you that. John is an ass,but he is not stupid. He did not get where he is by being stupid,although he is fast gaining a reputation as one of the worst speakers,ever.

I learned long ago not to cross bridges before they are there.

John knows his party is to blame for the last fiasco in which we were down graded because of the ignorant members of the tea party. You notice he cleaned house in the leadership.

 

[N.B. Forrest]

I just finished reading a very interesting article. Now I understand a bit better why Obama is so insistent on the tax rate increases even though the plan submitted by the GOP would have given him his revenue he wanted. Obama is playing politics.

By going off the cliff the Democrats will get almost everything they are asking for, big tax rate increases, massive cuts in defense. What they are not likely to get is an unlimited debt ceiling and huge increases in capital for more government spending.

It looks like we may be going off this cliff. Obama will blame the GOP and so will many Americans. But what will really happen to our economy? The average American may see his taxes go up about $3500, however the small business owner will see his taxes go up, right at $119,000.00. What this will do is cause small business to cut back, lay off workers, stop expansion, diminish investment. It has been estimated that some two million jobs may be lost. Other factors that could be directly impacted are the markets as well as interest rates and inflation. Obama will have made his political point, but at what cost? The cost will be that we will be face to face with recession, again. I had to wonder, are these Obama's real intentions?

That is a good assessment...but there will be great wailing, denying, denigrating, name calling and general gnashing of teeth by the "true believers".

 

[Friday13]

Incorrect. I accept verifiable facts...got some?

 

[Friday13]

Deficits don't matter ~ Dick Cheney

Facts are stupid things ~ Ronnie RayGun

Republicans...the right...never cared about the debt...until Jan 21, 2009.

 

[NightSwimmer]

Sure... Let's ignore the simple fact that the Bush tax cuts (paramount among other irrational Bush II policy initiatives) created the huge deficits from which we now suffer, and stick to wild-eyed conspiracy theories instead.



Yeah... That's the ticket!

 

[N.B. Forrest]

No previous administration in the entire history of the nation ever finished the year with a trillion dollar deficit.

obama has done so every year.

Describe how the budgets obama has submitted every year is solving our economic problems?

Wait..you can't.... he hasn't submitted a budget his entire presidency...what?..over 1500 days now?..LMAO..
must be bushs fault...somehow.

Let's ignore the simple fact that the Bush tax cuts (paramount among other irrational Bush II policy initiatives) created the huge deficits from which we now suffer.....

Give me a cause and effect analysis of exactly how you reach your conclusion. Try to avoid marxist doubletalk and meaningless platitudes if you possibly can. Make it in plain english. Please avoid posting "funny" pictures or cartoons or other irrelevant distractions.

Compare and contrast bush versus obama tax policies and the differences and their effect on the economy.

Deficits don't matter ~ Dick Cheney

Facts are stupid things ~ Ronnie RayGun

Republicans...the right...never cared about the debt...until Jan 21, 2009.

Haven't you heard?

cheney isn't president now and never was..

reagan isn't president now and has nothing to do with the present economic conditions.

Got a link supporting your last claim? Post it.

 

[MaryAnne]

You best stick together when your house of cards comes tumbling down that is all you will have.

AP,the house of cards has already caved in. It caved when GW was in office. Now we have a President who is trying his best to build the house back.

You best quit complaining about what is taking place and hope and pray we do not go into a second cave in. Thanks to many Repulbicans politicians they are trying their best,but the American people spoke loud and clear when they elected Obama, gave us more Democratic Senators and House members. They would have taken the House but for the gerrymandering that took place in many states. That includes the state I live in and it seems you do too.

I am not a one sided person but have watched the sad decline of the Republican party that Ike so proudly belonged to. Many Dems are bad too,but they really are trying to protect the middle class.

 

[N.B. Forrest]

AP,the house of cards has already caved in. It caved when GW was in office. Now we have a President who is trying his best to build the house back.

You best quit complaining about what is taking place and hope and pray we do not go into a second cave in. Thanks to many Repulbicans politicians they are trying their best,but the American people spoke loud and clear when they elected Obama, gave us more Democratic Senators and House members. They would have taken the House but for the gerrymandering that took place in many states. That includes the state I live in and it seems you do too.

I am not a one sided person but have watched the sad decline of the Republican party that Ike so proudly belonged to. Many Dems are bad too,but they really are trying to protect the middle class.

Ma'am, what "is taking place" is the historical, inevitable decline and fall that happens to not only all republics, but all governments and nations when their government becomes infiltrated by "special interests".
Any system run by humans will collapse..because humans run it. Humans are corrupt and when they get power it is amplified. That's just the facts of life.
The despicable, lying, scheming dishonest politician abraham lincoln was right when he said; Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.
That is another fact of life.

This nation, like every nation that preceded it, was born in blood and this nation, like every one that preceded it, will die in blood.

Historically the lifespan of most nations/empires is USUALLY a few hundred years...some last longer, others don't.
We've about run our course and a re alignment is imminent. It's the natural order of things.