Roy Moore

[JackDallas]

I listened to the Sean Hannity interview with Roy Moore today and Hannity did not cut the man any slack. I have to say I came away very disappointed at Judge Moore's answers to Hannity's question. I'm afraid there is more to this than he is telling us.
Hannity asked him several times if, at 32 years of age he had ever dated any 17 or 18 year-old girls. Moore first claimed he couldn't remember if that had ever happened. I'm thinking, at 32 I could easily remember every girl I had ever stiffed in high school up until I got out of the Navy and got married. I might not have been able to remember all of their names but I could remember the girls.
The last time Hannity asked him the question, Moore gave an emphatic NO.
Moore's complete performance during the interview was suspicious and fraught with implausible bullshit. I have to believe that Moore is most likely guilty of at least some degree of inappropriate behavior. I think he's going to have to remove himself from the race or the Party will have to do it. Not doing it could result in a Democrat winning the senate seat from Alabama.
If Moore had committed any offence except inappropriate treatment of under aged girls, I would say let the people of Alabama make that decision. But diddling with little girls goes over the line.

 

[bdtex]

I listened to the Sean Hannity interview with Roy Moore today and Hannity did not cut the man any slack. I have to say I came away very disappointed at Judge Moore's answers to Hannity's question. I'm afraid there is more to this than he is telling us.
Hannity asked him several times if, at 32 years of age he had ever dated any 17 or 18 year-old girls. Moore first claimed he couldn't remember if that had ever happened. I'm thinking, at 32 I could easily remember every girl I had ever stiffed in high school up until I got out of the Navy and got married. I might not have been able to remember all of their names but I could remember the girls.
The last time Hannity asked him the question, Moore gave an emphatic NO.
Moore's complete performance during the interview was suspicious and fraught with implausible bullshit. I have to believe that Moore is most likely guilty of at least some degree of inappropriate behavior. I think he's going to have to remove himself from the race or the Party will have to do it. Not doing it could result in a Democrat winning the senate seat from Alabama.
If Moore had committed any offence except inappropriate treatment of under aged girls, I would say let the people of Alabama make that decision. But diddling with little girls goes over the line.

I was keeping an open mind on all this until I saw that too. I haven't commented at all about it in this forum until now. He sure did not give unequivocal answers. And what kinda parent gives permission for their 16-18 year old daughter to date a 30-something man? Those answers just don't pass the smell test.

 

[JackDallas]

I was keeping an open mind on all this until I saw that too. I haven't commented at all about it in this forum until now. He sure did not give unequivocal answers. And what kinda parent gives permission for their 16-18 year old daughter to date a 30-something man? Those answers just don't pass the smell test.

I found it very strange. I am close to the same age as Moore and I certainly remember what I did, or was doing, when I was 32. This whole thing just doesn't pass the smell test. I hope I'm wrong but my gift of discernment usually leads me in the right direction.

 

[Boca]

I listened to the Sean Hannity interview with Roy Moore today and Hannity did not cut the man any slack. I have to say I came away very disappointed at Judge Moore's answers to Hannity's question. I'm afraid there is more to this than he is telling us.
Hannity asked him several times if, at 32 years of age he had ever dated any 17 or 18 year-old girls. Moore first claimed he couldn't remember if that had ever happened. I'm thinking, at 32 I could easily remember every girl I had ever stiffed in high school up until I got out of the Navy and got married. I might not have been able to remember all of their names but I could remember the girls.
The last time Hannity asked him the question, Moore gave an emphatic NO.
Moore's complete performance during the interview was suspicious and fraught with implausible bullshit. I have to believe that Moore is most likely guilty of at least some degree of inappropriate behavior. I think he's going to have to remove himself from the race or the Party will have to do it. Not doing it could result in a Democrat winning the senate seat from Alabama.
If Moore had committed any offence except inappropriate treatment of under aged girls, I would say let the people of Alabama make that decision. But diddling with little girls goes over the line.

I listened too and I agree he wasn't that convincing. What bothers me more than what Roy Moore may have done 40 years ago is how this all came about. It doesn't help either to find out about one of the accusers.

Deborah Wesson Gibson, who told The Washington Post that she briefly dated Moore when she was 17 and he was 34, founded the language interpreting company, Signs of Excellence, and has worked for a number of democratic campaigns, according to Alabama Local News.

The company’s Facebook page shows Gibson working for and posing with several Democrats at political rallies including 2016 presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, former Vice President Joe Biden, former Sen. Patrick Murphy, D-Fla., and Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla.​

Another bothersome thing for me is the irony----can't call it hypocrisy because you can't label the entire political process to include millions of voters hypocritical----the irony though is that Roy Moore in 1992 switched from Democrat to Republican and was first elected as a judge in Alabama with no such sexual allegations made from then to now or before. Yet in the same year Bill Clinton was elected President with several such accusations including forcible rape.

 

[SouthernBoyI]

I was keeping an open mind on all this until I saw that too. I haven't commented at all about it in this forum until now. He sure did not give unequivocal answers. And what kinda parent gives permission for their 16-18 year old daughter to date a 30-something man? Those answers just don't pass the smell test.

I didn’t like the bit about coming back from Nam and dating teenagers....

SB

Glad I don’t live in Alabama

 

[justoffal]

I listened to the Sean Hannity interview with Roy Moore today and Hannity did not cut the man any slack. I have to say I came away very disappointed at Judge Moore's answers to Hannity's question. I'm afraid there is more to this than he is telling us.
Hannity asked him several times if, at 32 years of age he had ever dated any 17 or 18 year-old girls. Moore first claimed he couldn't remember if that had ever happened. I'm thinking, at 32 I could easily remember every girl I had ever stiffed in high school up until I got out of the Navy and got married. I might not have been able to remember all of their names but I could remember the girls.
The last time Hannity asked him the question, Moore gave an emphatic NO.
Moore's complete performance during the interview was suspicious and fraught with implausible bullshit. I have to believe that Moore is most likely guilty of at least some degree of inappropriate behavior. I think he's going to have to remove himself from the race or the Party will have to do it. Not doing it could result in a Democrat winning the senate seat from Alabama.
If Moore had committed any offence except inappropriate treatment of under aged girls, I would say let the people of Alabama make that decision. But diddling with little girls goes over the line.

Wow... I didn't see that and so I was of the opinion that this was just another smear campaign. However I have learned to trust your judgement over the years friend....if you say it looked bad then I have changed my position also.

JO

 

[Dawg]

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YO

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Interesting OP. I heard just a snippet- maybe it was the Levin show. Honestly, all I recall was how unimpressive he was. I had the radio on but want paying much attention.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

I listened to the Sean Hannity interview with Roy Moore today and Hannity did not cut the man any slack. I have to say I came away very disappointed at Judge Moore's answers to Hannity's question. I'm afraid there is more to this than he is telling us.
Hannity asked him several times if, at 32 years of age he had ever dated any 17 or 18 year-old girls. Moore first claimed he couldn't remember if that had ever happened. I'm thinking, at 32 I could easily remember every girl I had ever stiffed in high school up until I got out of the Navy and got married. I might not have been able to remember all of their names but I could remember the girls.
The last time Hannity asked him the question, Moore gave an emphatic NO.
Moore's complete performance during the interview was suspicious and fraught with implausible bullshit. I have to believe that Moore is most likely guilty of at least some degree of inappropriate behavior. I think he's going to have to remove himself from the race or the Party will have to do it. Not doing it could result in a Democrat winning the senate seat from Alabama.
If Moore had committed any offence except inappropriate treatment of under aged girls, I would say let the people of Alabama make that decision. But diddling with little girls goes over the line.

Interesting. I also think Roy Moore is lying, but I'm surprised you draw that conclusion based on the Hannity interview. As always with right wingers, Hannity served as a fluffer for Moore, fully supporting Moore's claim that this is all a liberal/media plot.

What is it about the interview that leads you to turn against Moore? Here's a link to the clip...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...in_late_teens_accusations_never_happened.html

 

[JackDallas]

I listened too and I agree he wasn't that convincing. What bothers me more than what Roy Moore may have done 40 years ago is how this all came about. It doesn't help either to find out about one of the accusers.

Deborah Wesson Gibson, who told The Washington Post that she briefly dated Moore when she was 17 and he was 34, founded the language interpreting company, Signs of Excellence, and has worked for a number of democratic campaigns, according to Alabama Local News.

The company’s Facebook page shows Gibson working for and posing with several Democrats at political rallies including 2016 presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, former Vice President Joe Biden, former Sen. Patrick Murphy, D-Fla., and Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla.​

Another bothersome thing for me is the irony----can't call it hypocrisy because you can't label the entire political process to include millions of voters hypocritical----the irony though is that Roy Moore in 1992 switched from Democrat to Republican and was first elected as a judge in Alabama with no such sexual allegations made from then to now or before. Yet in the same year Bill Clinton was elected President with several such accusations including forcible rape.

I'm convinced the girl/woman is now a radical Leftist who will do anything to help the Progs steal elections. But, whether she and Moore dated, as she claimed, my concern was that Moore said he couldn't remember her. I guess it's possible that he might have poked so many women/girls back then that he couldn't remember them. He also said something to the effect the if it happened, he didn't remember. I just don't believe that a man would not remember that he dated a 17-year-old girl when he was 34. But his whole interview just didn't jive. He's not an eloquent speaker but I expected him to come out of the gate yelling I didn't do it, it never happened or they're lying at the top of his lungs.
The questions from Hannity seem to discombobulate Moore. I could feel him running it through his mind how to respond. I got the impression he was trying to remember the girl or girls and opted to say he couldn't remember.
I'm 74 years old and I can still remember the 14-year-old girl, Carolyn, who went down for the count for me, in the back seat of my car, when I was 16. Of course she was my first. But still, had a dated a 17-year-old when I was 34, I would remember her, and a lot of details, to this day. Now, it's not like all the women/girls I've gotten close to in my life, would fill up Yankee Stadium, but I doubt that Moore's love list would impress most men, either, I mean he's not Bill Clinton.
I sincerely hope he is innocent of all the alleged wrong doing but we shall see.

 

[JackDallas]

Interesting. I also think Roy Moore is lying, but I'm surprised you draw that conclusion based on the Hannity interview. As always with right wingers, Hannity served as a fluffer for Moore, fully supporting Moore's claim that this is all a liberal/media plot.

What is it about the interview that leads you to turn against Moore? Here's a link to the clip...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...in_late_teens_accusations_never_happened.html

No, he actually didn't, you just assumed he would. You obviously didn't hear the interview.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Interesting. I also think Roy Moore is lying, but I'm surprised you draw that conclusion based on the Hannity interview. As always with right wingers, Hannity served as a fluffer for Moore, fully supporting Moore's claim that this is all a liberal/media plot.

What is it about the interview that leads you to turn against Moore? Here's a link to the clip...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...in_late_teens_accusations_never_happened.html

Thanks for posting this. In the snippet I heard last night, I remember thinking, "no wonder he doesn't want to debate. He's not a very articulate speaker".

After listening to the whole interview, I'm certain that at the very least, my above thought was correct.

I can't tell if he's just a lousy speaker or he's covering something up. He seems to be hedging his bets and his memory suspicious.

He managed to make just one good point. After five successful political campaigns, this now appears a month before the election.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

No, he actually didn't, you just assumed he would. You obviously didn't hear the interview.

I obviously did, and provided a link to the whole interview (oddly, the Fox Noise link, which I also listened to, did not have the whole interview).

Anyway, Hannity clearly served as a fluffer - his usual role when interviewing Republicans - but I remain perplexed why you think the interview showed Moore to a a liar. That certainly wasn't the conclusion reached by Hannity the fluffer.

 

[JackDallas]

Thanks for posting this. In the snippet I heard last night, I remember thinking, "no wonder he doesn't want to debate. He's not a very articulate speaker".

After listening to the whole interview, I'm certain that at the very least, my above thought was correct.

I can't tell if he's just a lousy speaker or he's covering something up. He seems to be hedging his bets and his memory suspicious.

He managed to make just one good point. After five successful political campaigns, this now appears a month before the election.

It's possible that he and the woman did date back then but nothing came of it, no relationship or friendship. She might not that anything untoward was done by Moore. It might be that she never actually felt like she had been abused, harassed, or mistreated but this opportunity arose and she decided to take one for the team, so to speak. Moore may have been pondering that scenario too. But he should have told the truth. if that is the truth, up front.
That's a happy ending I'd like to see.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Thanks for posting this. In the snippet I heard last night, I remember thinking, "no wonder he doesn't want to debate. He's not a very articulate speaker".

After listening to the whole interview, I'm certain that at the very least, my above thought was correct.

I can't tell if he's just a lousy speaker or he's covering something up. He seems to be hedging his bets and his memory suspicious.

He managed to make just one good point. After five successful political campaigns, this now appears a month before the election.

I agree that his statements about dating older teens when he was 32 (not "generally"?) was not credible, but he just flat out denied the stuff about the 14 year old. He even implied that he never met her, a denial that could come back to haunt him.

He is inarticulate, which probably does explain why he's afraid to debate Jones. That and his past lunacy. He said he won't debate Jones because Jones is a liberal, which is a laughable position for a GOP candidate to take.

 

[JackDallas]

I obviously did, and provided a link to the whole interview (oddly, the Fox Noise link, which I also listened to, did not have the whole interview).

Anyway, Hannity clearly served as a fluffer - his usual role when interviewing Republicans - but I remain perplexed why you think the interview showed Moore to a a liar. That certainly wasn't the conclusion reached by Hannity the fluffer.

You sure like that word Fluffer, don't you? Did you once work in that capacity? I thought so. And my guess, as to why I came to the conclusion I did, is that I am a lot smarter than you are...and more honest.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

You sure like that word Fluffer, don't you? Did you once work in that capacity? I thought so. And my guess, as to why I came to the conclusion I did, is that I am a lot smarter than you are...and more honest.

I don't use the word fluffer much, but Hannity always brings it to mind when interviewing a GOP guest.

Anyway, let me know, if you can articulate it, why you disagree with Hannity, and what it was about Moore that makes you think he molested the 14 year old.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

I agree that his statements about dating older teens when he was 32 (not "generally"?) was not credible, but he just flat out denied the stuff about the 14 year old. He even implied that he never met her, a denial that could come back to haunt him.

He is inarticulate, which probably does explain why he's afraid to debate Jones. That and his past lunacy. He said he won't debate Jones because Jones is a liberal, which is a laughable position for a GOP candidate to take.

Wow, we mostly agree. I found it *interesting* that he classified the possible, maybe, or was it never happened, encounters with the 17-19 year old girls differently from the 14 year-old. Maybe it's because he was telling the truth. But his inability to speak well has even me, and obviously others at least somewhat sympathetic to his cause, questioning whether the line was drawn for legal purposes. How can one not question this, ESPECIALLY given he is a judge?

I just read that recently he said, "the transgenders don't have rights". That is, of course, nonsense. Transgenders have the same rights every other US citizen has. But again, it may be this is more about him being inarticulate. I doubt he believes transgenders can be rounded up, put in camps, executed, etc. But I'd like to hear exactly what rights they don't have. But he won't debate- probably because he knows he sucks at it. On top of that, they'd be gunning for him big time, this being a pretty important election with possible major implications for both sides.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Wow, we mostly agree. I found it *interesting* that he classified the possible, maybe, or was it never happened, encounters with the 17-19 year old girls differently from the 14 year-old. Maybe it's because he was telling the truth. But his inability to speak well has even me, and obviously others at least somewhat sympathetic to his cause, questioning whether the line was drawn for legal purposes. How can one not question this, ESPECIALLY given he is a judge?

I just read that recently he said, "the transgenders don't have rights". That is, of course, nonsense. Transgenders have the same rights every other US citizen has. But again, it may be this is more about him being inarticulate. I doubt he believes transgenders can be rounded up, put in camps, executed, etc. But I'd like to hear exactly what rights they don't have. But he won't debate- probably because he knows he sucks at it. On top of that, they'd be gunning for him big time, this being a pretty important election with possible major implications for both sides.

And after all is said and done, Alabama Republicans will probably still vote for him and make him a US senator.

Although I certainly hope I'm wrong.

;-)

 

[Deleted member 21794]

And after all is said and done, Alabama Republicans will probably still vote for him and make him a US senator.

Although I certainly hope I'm wrong.

;-)

That's the big question, of course. We know for sure his chances of success in a national race would be greatly diminished. But Alabama? Who can speak for them except Alabamans? They seem to be OK with him thus far.

I will say this. Roy Moore needs to keep it simple if he wants to win. Stick with the no debate decision. Stick to short, prepared statements of innocence and declare the accusations politically motivated. He might squeak by.

We can probably agree that at this point, it is he himself who is his biggest liability.