Scientific findings

[Boltlady]

We've come to believe so strongly in science that if heretofore reputable institutions or groups publish scientific findings, we tend to firmly believe in those results. There's a problem with that. Corruption permeates the scientific community just as it does so many others.

Maybe even more.

Scientists are often driven people and they generally have points that they want to explore and prove. That usually takes a great deal of money, so they apply for grants pretty much wherever they can get them. All too often we find that results are colored by or even dictated by the benefactors. It would be difficult on a human level to turn down opportunities because they require some bending of facts. They tend to believe that their work will ultimately be for the greater good so a bit of 'compromise' to get there is a price worth paying. It leaves us all in a black hole.

The following is a good article on the subject.

How Many Scientists Fabricate and Falsify Research?

 

[Boltlady]

We've come to believe so strongly in science that if heretofore reputable institutions or groups publish scientific findings, we tend to firmly believe in those results. There's a problem with that. Corruption permeates the scientific community just as it does so many others.

Maybe even more.

Scientists are often driven people and they generally have points that they want to explore and prove. That usually takes a great deal of money, so they apply for grants pretty much wherever they can get them. All too often we find that results are colored by or even dictated by the benefactors. It would be difficult on a human level to turn down opportunities because they require some bending of facts. They tend to believe that their work will ultimately be for the greater good so a bit of 'compromise' to get there is a price worth paying. It leaves us all in a black hole.

The following is a good article on the subject.

How Many Scientists Fabricate and Falsify Research?

Speaking of scientific findings that satisfy an agenda, I wonder how all the 'global warming folks' are faring through the blizzards blanketing so much of the country.

The team in Antarctica is still stuck in 10' of solid ice. They're there to prove that ice is getting thinner. If this is their summer, I wonder what their winter will bring. At least they were able to get all of the tourists off safely.

 

[Boltlady]

Speaking of scientific findings that satisfy an agenda, I wonder how all the 'global warming folks' are faring through the blizzards blanketing so much of the country.

The team in Antarctica is still stuck in 10' of solid ice. They're there to prove that ice is getting thinner. If this is their summer, I wonder what their winter will bring. At least they were able to get all of the tourists off safely.

OK, here's an excerpt from an article that further verifies what I've been saying here. Since there have been no responses thus far, I tend to assume that you folks don't realize the life and death aspects of all of this. These false reports can impact your lives in devastating ways, yet because the whole concept challenges your closely held beliefs, you choose to ignore the whole idea. Heavens, you might even think it's just 'conspiracy theories'.

Well look at the credentials of who is making the following statements and you might think otherwise. As I said, this is an excerpt. The link will follow.

Science or marketing? In 2009, former editor–in–chief of the New England Journal of Medicine Marcia Angell admitted that the “evidence-based” studies published in her former publication and most other “scientific” journals are totally unreliable: “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.” In her bombshell article, Drug Companies and Doctors: A Story of Corruption, she documents how doctors and scientists are bought and paid for by Big Pharma. “Clinical trials are also biased through designs for research that are chosen to yield favorable results for sponsors,” she writes.

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[NightSwimmer]

Nonsense.

Certainly, some studies which are privately funded are likely to return biased results. That is not a problem, since these studies will be challenged by other entities.

If "scientific" results can't be replicated, then they aren't science. Science is not a religion, and scientific observations never become dogma which is beyond being challenged.

 

[Queen Titania]

Nonsense.

Certainly, some studies which are privately funded are likely to return biased results. That is not a problem, since these studies will be challenged by other entities.

If "scientific" results can't be replicated, then they aren't science. Science is not a religion, and scientific observations never become dogma which is beyond being challenged.

Profit for the few has held us all back in every sphere of life.

 

[NightSwimmer]

Profit for the few has held us all back in every sphere of life.

What has that to do with science?

 

[fairsheet]

"Science" is the polar opposite (no GW pun intended) of any sort of "bloc". Scientists are driven by two things - to prove something themselves and to DISprove the other guy.

 

[Queen Titania]

What has that to do with science?

'Science' being owned by the few and so 'it' does only what is asked of 'it' and does not follow 'its' natural paths nor does it have a moral compass nor in many cases is its view anything other than very very narrow and limited.

We all know of inventions which have been bought out because hey would harm 'business' such as light bulbs and ect which never need replacing. Cars which ran on steam and electricity and even water right from their conception. Those are tiny examples .................

 

[NightSwimmer]

Science belongs to no one. Science fiction, on the other hand, is subject to copyright.

 

[Queen Titania]

"Science" is the polar opposite (no GW pun intended) of any sort of "bloc". Scientists are driven by two things - to prove something themselves and to DISprove the other guy.

Rubbish, they are now only there to make 'some few' a lot more money and allow them to keep their power..

We can live without oil - if we put all our knowledge and effort into it we would easily live in a better happier and cleaner World BUT ---- and so, why does it not happen? since we say oil is so wicked and bad?

And why do machines which once lasted for ever now only last 2 years and so on ............... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for the few.

 

[Queen Titania]

Science belongs to no one. Science fiction, on the other hand, is subject to copyright.

I would call it otherwise too but for the sake of this conversation .............

 

[NightSwimmer]

Rubbish, they are now only there to make 'some few' a lot more money and allow them to keep their power..

We can live without oil - if we put all our knowledge and effort into it we would easily live in a better happier and cleaner World BUT ---- and so, why does it not happen? since we say oil is so wicked and bad?

And why do machines which once lasted for ever now only last 2 years and so on ............... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for the few.

Sure, we can live without oil. Our population, however, would be greatly diminished by the transition to an oil-free society.

 

[Havelock]

We've come to believe so strongly in science that if heretofore reputable institutions or groups publish scientific findings, we tend to firmly believe in those results. There's a problem with that. Corruption permeates the scientific community just as it does so many others.

Maybe even more.

Scientists are often driven people and they generally have points that they want to explore and prove. That usually takes a great deal of money, so they apply for grants pretty much wherever they can get them. All too often we find that results are colored by or even dictated by the benefactors. It would be difficult on a human level to turn down opportunities because they require some bending of facts. They tend to believe that their work will ultimately be for the greater good so a bit of 'compromise' to get there is a price worth paying. It leaves us all in a black hole.

The following is a good article on the subject.

How Many Scientists Fabricate and Falsify Research?

This topic does highlight a potential danger about which we here in the U.S. ought to think. There's no doubt that public sources of money for scientific research, especially basic research by individual researchers, are rapidly drying up. That does mean that scientists in general are becoming more reliant on private dollars to fund their research.

That in itself doesn't necessarily compromise any particular research project, certainly. The idea advanced by some that it casts doubt on scientific research in general is more than a little alarmist -- and rather often driven by some particular agenda, quite frankly.

But it does mean that the scope of research being undertaken is being narrowed, in some cases quite dramatically, as research scientists are compelled to chase competitive grant dollars in fewer research areas, areas that are at best more focused on specific and immediate problems but are also very often created to have more a rapid return on investment, either in dollars or in political capital.

Cheers.

 

[NightSwimmer]

Oil (and other fossil fuels) are not "wicked and bad". What they are is dirty and finite. It is, in my opinion, bad policy to continue to promote fossil fuel usage over other energy generation technology with federal subsidies and tax policies.

 

[fairsheet]

Rubbish, they are now only there to make 'some few' a lot more money and allow them to keep their power..

We can live without oil - if we put all our knowledge and effort into it we would easily live in a better happier and cleaner World BUT ---- and so, why does it not happen? since we say oil is so wicked and bad?

And why do machines which once lasted for ever now only last 2 years and so on ............... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for the few.

You lost me there. You seem to be suggesting that science is in "cahoots" around keeping us hooked on oil. It must be that 950+ - 0 "score" as to peer-reviewed and accepted studies in support of the global warming consensus. Sonsabitches. If only they'd "allow" some scientists to prove it's all a hoax, we'd all get down to ridding ourselves of petro!

 

[Addy]

OK, here's an excerpt from an article that further verifies what I've been saying here. Since there have been no responses thus far, I tend to assume that you folks don't realize the life and death aspects of all of this. These false reports can impact your lives in devastating ways, yet because the whole concept challenges your closely held beliefs, you choose to ignore the whole idea. Heavens, you might even think it's just 'conspiracy theories'.

Well look at the credentials of who is making the following statements and you might think otherwise. As I said, this is an excerpt. The link will follow.

Science or marketing? In 2009, former editor–in–chief of the New England Journal of Medicine Marcia Angell admitted that the “evidence-based” studies published in her former publication and most other “scientific” journals are totally unreliable: “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.” In her bombshell article, Drug Companies and Doctors: A Story of Corruption, she documents how doctors and scientists are bought and paid for by Big Pharma. “Clinical trials are also biased through designs for research that are chosen to yield favorable results for sponsors,” she writes.

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Data from your link for verification regarding raw milk benefits.. is very old --1929
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The Milk Cure: Real Milk Cures Many Diseases
Posted on January 1, 2000
Last Modified on December 25, 2012

Print PDF
By J. R. Crewe, MD
January 1929

The following is an edited version of an article by Dr. J. R. Crewe, of the Mayo Foundation, forerunner of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN, published in Certified Milk Magazine, January 1929.

We are grateful to Dr. Ron Schmid, ND of Middlebury, CT for unearthing this fascinating piece. The “Milk Cure” was the subject of at least two books by other authors, written subsequently to Dr. Crewe’s work. The milk used was, in all cases, the only kind of milk available in those days—raw milk from pasture-fed cows, rich in butterfat. The treatment is a combination of detoxifying fast and nutrient-dense feeding. Note that Crewe quotes William Osler, author of a standard medical textbook of the day. Thus, this protocol was an orthodox, accepted therapy in the early 1900s. Today the Mayo Clinic provides surgery and drug treatments, but nothing as efficacious and elegant as the Milk Cure.

 

[Queen Titania]

Oil (and other fossil fuels) are not "wicked and bad". What they are is dirty and finite. It is, in my opinion, bad policy to continue to promote fossil fuel usage over other energy generation technology with federal subsidies and tax policies.

I didn't say they were which is why I did 'so' ................ In the great scheme there is a place for them. I am also not sure that it is proved that oil is not replacing its self in places ............ but that is a quibble.

But take away the profit element and replace it with what is the best way all round and we would have a different picture, wouldn't we?

Naive? Yes ................ but we are really pushing it now. Nothing is built for endurance because of profit and so we are destroying our Planet....... so that we can throw things away? Which is Madness. China has grown at an unnatural rate in the last few years so that we can have the lux of throwing things away which they then dispose of for us ....into the Sea and Air poisoning poisoning and poisoning. and so on ................

Homes in differing climates are still in the main built along the same lines ......we are so stupid that in the last 50 years we haven't come up with any better ways of keeping warm or cool withing our small home spaces? Because of profit again ........ nothing to do with aspiration, we have none.

 

[Queen Titania]

You lost me there. You seem to be suggesting that science is in "cahoots" around keeping us hooked on oil. It must be that 950+ - 0 "score" as to peer-reviewed and accepted studies in support of the global warming consensus. Sonsabitches. If only they'd "allow" some scientists to prove it's all a hoax, we'd all get down to ridding ourselves of petro!

Economics is a Hoax? Yup I agree ................

 

[NightSwimmer]

Data from your link for verification regarding raw milk benefits.. is very old --1929
___________________________________
The Milk Cure: Real Milk Cures Many Diseases
Posted on January 1, 2000
Last Modified on December 25, 2012

Print PDF
By J. R. Crewe, MD
January 1929

The following is an edited version of an article by Dr. J. R. Crewe, of the Mayo Foundation, forerunner of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN, published in Certified Milk Magazine, January 1929.

We are grateful to Dr. Ron Schmid, ND of Middlebury, CT for unearthing this fascinating piece. The “Milk Cure” was the subject of at least two books by other authors, written subsequently to Dr. Crewe’s work. The milk used was, in all cases, the only kind of milk available in those days—raw milk from pasture-fed cows, rich in butterfat. The treatment is a combination of detoxifying fast and nutrient-dense feeding. Note that Crewe quotes William Osler, author of a standard medical textbook of the day. Thus, this protocol was an orthodox, accepted therapy in the early 1900s. Today the Mayo Clinic provides surgery and drug treatments, but nothing as efficacious and elegant as the Milk Cure.

I hear it works best with fresh milk, preferably human.

 

[Queen Titania]

Data from your link for verification regarding raw milk benefits.. is very old --1929
___________________________________
The Milk Cure: Real Milk Cures Many Diseases
Posted on January 1, 2000
Last Modified on December 25, 2012

Print PDF
By J. R. Crewe, MD
January 1929

The following is an edited version of an article by Dr. J. R. Crewe, of the Mayo Foundation, forerunner of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN, published in Certified Milk Magazine, January 1929.

We are grateful to Dr. Ron Schmid, ND of Middlebury, CT for unearthing this fascinating piece. The “Milk Cure” was the subject of at least two books by other authors, written subsequently to Dr. Crewe’s work. The milk used was, in all cases, the only kind of milk available in those days—raw milk from pasture-fed cows, rich in butterfat. The treatment is a combination of detoxifying fast and nutrient-dense feeding. Note that Crewe quotes William Osler, author of a standard medical textbook of the day. Thus, this protocol was an orthodox, accepted therapy in the early 1900s. Today the Mayo Clinic provides surgery and drug treatments, but nothing as efficacious and elegant as the Milk Cure.

I can buy raw milk from the Farm down the road.