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Ahead of the Fed: Tectonic Shifts in Bonds, Oil and the Dollar (Link)

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See, that's what you call the biggest stock bubble of all time, and she's ready to blow!!

What you need to understand is this is printed money. America had a stronger economy 50 years ago when the NYSE finally hit 1000. While the price of stocks have gone sky high in the past 20 years, our economic infrastructure has been steadily weakening. Printing more money just raises prices, it doesn't necessarily result in more industry and more jobs. We actually have been in decline, while they are trying to compensate for it by printing money. Result: a stock bubble; prices are way overheated and that means they are about to collapse down to something commiserate with what those stocks are really worth.
 
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Do you have a prediction?
It looks to me like it could be any day now.
What would trigger it?
 
Do you have a prediction?
It looks to me like it could be any day now.
What would trigger it?
I wrote some time back that the FED is trying to trigger it by raising rates. The WSJ article I linked confirms exactly that. What the article says is, the market is out ahead of the FED, already starting to quake. (the market is always out ahead of the FED)

prediction?

crest to trough (which took 18 months in the case of the 2000 NASDAQ crash): 10,000 points.(NYSE)
 
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No one prints money you doofus. New money is borrowed money and just in case you failed at Econ 101, banks have always been lending money even in the gold standard days. That is the only way they make money and every time they do it, they create new money. I swear, for a guy who spends way too much time on idiotic posts about money, you have no clue what money is or where it comes from...typical Mizes Institute guy.
 
No one prints money you doofus. New money is borrowed money and just in case you failed at Econ 101, banks have always been lending money even in the gold standard days. That is the only way they make money and every time they do it, they create new money. I swear, for a guy who spends way too much time on idiotic posts about money, you have no clue what money is or where it comes from...typical Mizes Institute guy.
Not very typical in that I have yet to read anything from that Institute, so I couldn't really say whether I was insulted or complimented. I never took econ101 either, but I did hold a Loan Originator license in the state of Illinois for the greater part of a decade, I think I know a little bit about borrowed money. I created new money every time I closed a loan. And in case you never knew, the US Treasury has 12 mints, and they actually do print money.

what money is:
anything of perceived value used to settle a commercial transaction (my words, off the tip of my tongue)

Legal debts are used as money. A legal debt is a contract between two parties of some amount owed.

A bank coupon qualifies as a legal debt, the bank agrees to pay face value upon redemption. So the coupon is a debt to the bank. (this includes Federal Reserve Notes in your pocket)

A bond qualifies as a legal debt. The Treasury agrees to redeem the bond at its matured value upon presentation to the Treasury.

A mortgage Note is a bond. The mortgage is the legal contract between the Lender and the tenant. The Note is the debt owed.

what money actually is: the controlled species of the state used to settle debts.

what money actually is in America: the Congressional mandated issue of the Treasury tendered for the settling of legal debts.

Treasury Bonds actually fall under the power of Congress to borrow money on credit. Our Constitution didn't lay out Treasury bonds as a money source for the nation. But since the nation shut down the silver dollar and the gold dollar, the only money the nation has left to use for trade is our bonds. The mints print pocket change for the Federal Reserve.

In today's system, banks draw capital into the market via the Federal Reserve. During the financial collapse of 2008, banks created $7 Trillion in new capital from the Federal Reserve. I called that "printing money". Actually, nothing gets printed, but you knew that, and you knew I know that... it is commonly called that. At any rate, what the doofus is saying is the stock market has risen purely on account of demand from new capital drawn by the banks - technically, that money is loaned - hence it is the point of creation. IOW, the meteoric rise in the stock indexes over the past 7 years is a stock bubble because it was merely a rise in stock prices due to demand from money creation and not growth from commercial activity. Or as I put it in the top post;

What you need to understand is this is printed money.

Over the past 7 years, our economy has risen 1-2% annually, and even that was from printed money, not increase in commercial activity. Now look at the what the DOW Jones did over the same 7 years; it rose almost 200%... All of that is from printed money, the actual value of the stock from commercial activity has gone no where. It is the biggest stock bubble ever. That's why I predict it will all tumble back to earth and start over at what it is actually worth; and that may have fallen to 5000 pts. Its what the market calls a "correction".
 
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Ahead of the Fed: Tectonic Shifts in Bonds, Oil and the Dollar (Link)

dow-jones-industrial-average-djia-history.gif



See, that's what you call the biggest stock bubble of all time, and she's ready to blow!!

What you need to understand is this is printed money. America had a stronger economy 50 years ago when the NYSE finally hit 1000. While the price of stocks have gone sky high in the past 20 years, our economic infrastructure has been steadily weakening. Printing more money just raises prices, it doesn't necessarily result in more industry and more jobs. We actually have been in decline, while they are trying to compensate for it by printing money. Result: a stock bubble; prices are way overheated and that means they are about to collapse down to something commiserate with what those stocks are really worth.

Over the past 7 years, our economy has risen 1-2% annually, and even that was from printed money, not increase in commercial activity. Now look at the what the DOW Jones did over the same 7 years; it rose almost 200%... All of that is from printed money, the actual value of the stock from commercial activity has gone no where. It is the biggest stock bubble ever. That's why I predict it will all tumble back to earth and start over at what it is actually worth; and that may have fallen to 5000 pts. Its what the market calls a "correction".

Yellen Voices Economic Optimism as Fed Begins Gradual Tightening

Policy makers forecast that the short-term policy rate will rise to 1.375 percent at the end of 2016, implying four quarter-point increases in the target range next year, based on the median number from 17 officials.


So why is the FED raising rates? We haven't had any inflation. The answer is, they are popping the stock bubble. And this should spell bloody disaster for the government, because they wrote all this debt and it has to be paid off. When the market crashes a 2nd time, there goes tax revenues, and with that, the financial statement for the govt (our credit) will go to hell also. As credit deteriorates, rates rise on the debt. As rates rise on the debt, we have to borrow more and more to redeem those bonds. So the cycle after the next cycle gets really ugly, and that's without making any mistakes. Its a very scary picture, the economy and the debt.
 
Over the past 7 years, our economy has risen 1-2% annually, and even that was from printed money, not increase in commercial activity. Now look at the what the DOW Jones did over the same 7 years; it rose almost 200%... All of that is from printed money, the actual value of the stock from commercial activity has gone no where. It is the biggest stock bubble ever. That's why I predict it will all tumble back to earth and start over at what it is actually worth; and that may have fallen to 5000 pts. Its what the market calls a "correction".
Can you estimate the impact on employment?
 
No one prints money you doofus. New money is borrowed money and just in case you failed at Econ 101, banks have always been lending money even in the gold standard days. That is the only way they make money and every time they do it, they create new money. I swear, for a guy who spends way too much time on idiotic posts about money, you have no clue what money is or where it comes from...typical Mizes Institute guy.

You have no clue how things work. You are dead ass wrong in your statements.
 
Can you estimate the impact on employment?
Depends on whether there is a panic. The market can do a calm correction or it can crash. If the market calmly retreats in a steady decline, it should result in mild unemployment, but if the market panics like it did in 2008, we could see a repeat of that monster unemployment also.

The reason I linked this article to the FED action is because it actually is written about the way Yellen raised the rates. She saw the jittery market that I spoke about in the top post and she did everything she could to calm the market... so far, so good for unemployment. There still will be a correction that will result from the new cost of capital, but if we stay on this path, we shouldn't see the massive layoffs that accompany a crash.
 
The reason I linked this article to the FED action is because it actually is written about the way Yellen raised the rates. She saw the jittery market that I spoke about in the top post and she did everything she could to calm the market.
What if Yellen and others are not asking the right questions about our economic problems? RD Wolff is a Marxist economist who believes debates over the Fed's Interest Rate miss the point:

http://www.rdwolff.com/content/why-debates-over-feds-interest-rate-miss-point

"Yet capitalism is a system of stunning and endlessly recurring instability (named everything from 'adjustments' to 'disturbances' to 'cycles' to 'crises' depending on perspective).

"Recurring economic downturns have plagued the last 250 years of first European and then global history.

"Before and after John Maynard Keynes, efforts to prevent or overcome that instability while retaining capitalism have all failed.

"That is why we are now in the badly lingering grip of the latest 'crash' in 2008."
 
You have no clue how things work. You are dead ass wrong in your statements.

really? Tell us how money is printed outside of someone borrowing it from a bank or the Fed....In many peoples mind, the government somehow waves a magic wand and poof, money is created out of thin air and then spent. If that were true, why do we tax people and why do we have treasury bonds?
 
“'It is not possible to completely discard the possibility that an economic crisis could once again take place'

Yang Jiechi"

“'We live in an era of constant changes and intense transformations. The opportunities are unprecedented, and so are the challenges.'

"His comments came after official data showed China’s 2015 two-way trade – a pillar of the world economy – had fallen 8% year-on-year to $3.16 trillion (£2.2 trillion).":eek:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...obal-finance-crash-possible-China-Yang-Jiechi
 
...Result: a stock bubble; prices are way overheated and that means they are about to collapse down to something commiserate with what those stocks are really worth.
Thanks for the heads up. The usual term for this is "Stock market correction". Nothing to soil one's tighty whitey's over.

http://news.yahoo.com/q-market-correction-why-does-matter-123433637.html
A dismal start for the stock market this year has pushed its major indexes into what is known as a "correction," or decline of 10 percent or more from a recent peak. Here are some common questions asked about corrections and what they mean to investors:
 
Thanks for the heads up. The usual term for this is "Stock market correction". Nothing to soil one's tighty whitey's over.

http://news.yahoo.com/q-market-correction-why-does-matter-123433637.html
A dismal start for the stock market this year has pushed its major indexes into what is known as a "correction," or decline of 10 percent or more from a recent peak. Here are some common questions asked about corrections and what they mean to investors:
Does Ben agree?
"5/17/2007 @ 4:21PM
Bernanke Believes Housing Mess Contained

"The subprime mess is grave but largely contained, said Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke Thursday, in a speech before the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago. While rising delinquencies and foreclosures will continue to weigh heavily on the housing market this year, it will not cripple the U.S. economy, he said. The speech was the Chairman’s most comprehensive on the subprime mortgage issue to date.

http://www.forbes.com/2007/05/17/bernanke-subprime-speech-markets-equity-cx_er_0516markets02.html
 
Ahead of the Fed: Tectonic Shifts in Bonds, Oil and the Dollar (Link)

dow-jones-industrial-average-djia-history.gif



See, that's what you call the biggest stock bubble of all time, and she's ready to blow!!

What you need to understand is this is printed money. America had a stronger economy 50 years ago when the NYSE finally hit 1000. While the price of stocks have gone sky high in the past 20 years, our economic infrastructure has been steadily weakening. Printing more money just raises prices, it doesn't necessarily result in more industry and more jobs. We actually have been in decline, while they are trying to compensate for it by printing money. Result: a stock bubble; prices are way overheated and that means they are about to collapse down to something commiserate with what those stocks are really worth.
Free Traders Are Traitors

The rise is based on cheap outsourced labor. It represents only the loot the plutocratic parasites have sucked out of the rest of us.
 
No one prints money, you doofus. New money is borrowed money and just in case you failed at Econ 101, banks have always been lending money even in the gold standard days. That is the only way they make money and every time they do it, they create new money. I swear, for a guy who spends way too much time on idiotic posts about money, you have no clue what money is or where it comes from...typical Mises Institute guy.
Value-Adjusted Inflation

An increased amount of money is supplied to keep up with an increase in the number and value of products created by new technology. So imaginary money makes it possible to buy what is or could be available, thus creating real money.

Also, if you could have sold a modern car in 1920, you would have been able to get, because of its futuristic improvements, $30,000 of their dollars, which inflation adjusted would be around $400, 000. Likewise, their $500 Model T would only be worth, despite inflation, the same $500, usable only as a golf cart or amusement-park vehicle today. So there is no inflation to the extent advancements are considered.
 
What if Yellen and others are not asking the right questions about our economic problems? RD Wolff is a Marxist economist who believes debates over the Fed's Interest Rate miss the point:

http://www.rdwolff.com/content/why-debates-over-feds-interest-rate-miss-point

"Yet capitalism is a system of stunning and endlessly recurring instability (named everything from 'adjustments' to 'disturbances' to 'cycles' to 'crises' depending on perspective).

"Recurring economic downturns have plagued the last 250 years of first European and then global history.

"Before and after John Maynard Keynes, efforts to prevent or overcome that instability while retaining capitalism have all failed.

"That is why we are now in the badly lingering grip of the latest 'crash' in 2008."
Birth-Classes Have No Right to Exist

Co-ops are not Marxist. Communists are authoritarian upper-class snobs, interspersed with elitist-lovers or predatory opportunists. These new exploiters of the workers form up into a ruling ownership clique, just like the Capitalists do.
 
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