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Should North Korea be Next?

Should the United States normalize relations with North Korea?


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EatTheRich

President
We've seen the United States pursue conciliatory policies in recent years toward such long-time enemies as Iran and Cuba. Should North Korea be next? I say yes, for the following reasons:

1) North Korea has been the target of unjustified aggression based on hostility to the popular revolution that overthrew capitalism there.
2) The imperialist sanctions have contributed to a looming famine crisis.
3) The division of the Korean peninsula poses the serious ongoing threat of war. North Korea has made gestures toward peace, for example by proposing denuclearization of the Korean peninsula.
 
We've seen the United States pursue conciliatory policies in recent years toward such long-time enemies as Iran and Cuba. Should North Korea be next? I say yes, for the following reasons:

1) North Korea has been the target of unjustified aggression based on hostility to the popular revolution that overthrew capitalism there.
2) The imperialist sanctions have contributed to a looming famine crisis.
3) The division of the Korean peninsula poses the serious ongoing threat of war. North Korea has made gestures toward peace, for example by proposing denuclearization of the Korean peninsula.
May the Best Man Win; Don't Bribe the Referee

Although NoKo is a selfish dictatorship whose famine is caused by poor management, that's the duty of the Korean people on both sides of the DMZ to change.
 

georgephillip

Governor
No. We should use @write on's realist approach and destroy them before they destroy us.
By some accounts, the US killed one in three north Koreans during the early 1950s. Their economy has never recovered from successive waves of B52s which turned homes, cities, and towns into rubble, then turned the rubble into pebbles, and finally turned pebbles into dust. Since they currently lack any realistic chance of destroying the US, why do you think more mass murder in Korea will make you safer?
 

Fast Eddy

Mayor
North Korea uses us to no end. Every time they need more food or energy they go nuts and everyone capitulates to their demands. We need to pull our troops out of Korea and let the Koreans work it out. If they mess with us, make them disappear.
 

georgephillip

Governor
North Korea uses us to no end. Every time they need more food or energy they go nuts and everyone capitulates to their demands. We need to pull our troops out of Korea and let the Koreans work it out. If they mess with us, make them disappear.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2002/12/31/a-pop-quiz-on-korea/
North Koreans would argue the US messed with them first in September of 1945 when US forces arrived at Inchon to accept the Japanese surrender. One month earlier, the defeated Japanese troops had turned over authority in all Korea to the broad-based Committee for the Preparation of Korean Independence, led by Lyuh Woon-hyung, which proceeded to proclaim the Korean People's Republic (KPR).

The US refused to recognize Lyuh as national leader, ordered all Japanese officials to remain at their posts, and soon banned all public reference to the KPR.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyuh_Woon-hyung

"Lyuh Woon-hyung (May 25, 1886 – July 19, 1947) was a Korean politician who argued that Korean independence was essential to world peace, and a reunification activist who struggled for the independent reunification of Korea since its national division in 1945.

"His pen-name was Mongyang (몽양; 夢陽), the Hanja for 'dream' and 'light.'

"He is rare among politicians in modern Korean history in that he is revered in both South and North Korea."
 

Fast Eddy

Mayor
http://www.counterpunch.org/2002/12/31/a-pop-quiz-on-korea/
North Koreans would argue the US messed with them first in September of 1945 when US forces arrived at Inchon to accept the Japanese surrender. One month earlier, the defeated Japanese troops had turned over authority in all Korea to the broad-based Committee for the Preparation of Korean Independence, led by Lyuh Woon-hyung, which proceeded to proclaim the Korean People's Republic (KPR).

The US refused to recognize Lyuh as national leader, ordered all Japanese officials to remain at their posts, and soon banned all public reference to the KPR.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyuh_Woon-hyung

"Lyuh Woon-hyung (May 25, 1886 – July 19, 1947) was a Korean politician who argued that Korean independence was essential to world peace, and a reunification activist who struggled for the independent reunification of Korea since its national division in 1945.

"His pen-name was Mongyang (몽양; 夢陽), the Hanja for 'dream' and 'light.'

"He is rare among politicians in modern Korean history in that he is revered in both South and North Korea."
At this point I don't care about history, we have had our troops there for 65 years, time to bring the troops home and let the Koreans settle it. The North Korean leader is nuts.
 

georgephillip

Governor
At this point I don't care about history, we have had our troops there for 65 years, time to bring the troops home and let the Koreans settle it. The North Korean leader is nuts.
The US could save billion$ by closing its bases in places like Korea, Germany, Japan, and England, and the money put to better uses in the homeland.
 

Max R.

On the road
Supporting Member
By some accounts, the US killed one in three north Koreans during the early 1950s. Their economy has never recovered from successive waves of B52s which turned homes, cities, and towns into rubble, then turned the rubble into pebbles, and finally turned pebbles into dust. Since they currently lack any realistic chance of destroying the US, why do you think more mass murder in Korea will make you safer?
I'm perfectly safe. It's the lives of 50 million South Koreans and 127 million Japanese....but I'm sure your love of Kim Jong-un's People's Democratic Republic of Korea makes them all expendable in your eyes.
 

georgephillip

Governor
I'm perfectly safe. It's the lives of 50 million South Koreans and 127 million Japanese....but I'm sure your love of Kim Jong-un's People's Democratic Republic of Korea makes them all expendable in your eyes.
Your ignorance of your country's role in creating a divided Korea doesn't mean it never happened.
"The People's Republic of Korea (PRK) was a short-lived provisional government that was organized with the aim to take over control of Korea shortly after the surrender of the Empire of Japan at the end of World War II.

"It operated as a government from late August to early September 1945 until the United States Army Military Government in Korea was established in the southern portion of the Korean Peninsula by the United States of America.

"After that it operated unofficially, and in opposition to the United States Army Military Government, until it was forcibly dissolved in January 1946."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Republic_of_Korea
 

Max R.

On the road
Supporting Member
Your ignorance of your country's role in creating a divided Korea doesn't mean it never happened.....
Translation: Blah, blah, blah, imperialist pig, blah, blah, blah, baby killer, blah, blah, blah round-eyed devil, blah, blah, blah, it's all America's fault.
 

georgephillip

Governor
Translation: Blah, blah, blah, imperialist pig, blah, blah, blah, baby killer, blah, blah, blah round-eyed devil, blah, blah, blah, it's all America's fault.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Republic_of_Korea#Program
"The program of the PRK was presented in its September 14 twenty-seven point program.

The program included: 'the confiscation without compensation of lands held by the Japanese and collaborators; free distribution of that land to the peasants; rent limits on the non redistributed land; nationalization of such major industries as mining, transportation, banking, and communication; state supervision of small and mid-sized companies; …guaranteed basic human rights and freedoms, including those of speech, press, assembly, and faith; universal suffrage to adults over the age of eighteen; equality for women; labor law reforms including an eight-hour day, a minimum wage, and prohibition of child labor; and "establishment of close relations with the United States, USSR, England, and China, and positive opposition to any foreign influences interfering with the domestic affairs of the state.'"

This was the program designed by Koreans for all of Korea; why do you suppose Americans objected to its implementation in 1945?
 

fairsheet

Senator
"The Kim Collage",OOgo, Fy-del, "Baby Doc", Ahmin, Assad, Evo, Saddam, Putin - buffoons, and cartoon characters one and all. They don't entitle us to render their judgement upon their people.
 

georgephillip

Governor
"The Kim Collage",OOgo, Fy-del, "Baby Doc", Ahmin, Assad, Evo, Saddam, Putin - buffoons, and cartoon characters one and all. They don't entitle us to render their judgement upon their people.
That is true; however, we should discriminate among the "buffoons, and cartoon characters..." in countries like Korea, Haiti, and Cuba where the US played a sustained role in creating the misery from which the leaders sprang.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2002/12/31/a-pop-quiz-on-korea/
 

georgephillip

Governor
No one's pure.
Or exceptional
"Q: What are your thoughts on the ongoing discussion about American exceptionalism? Do you see most nations subscribing to some form of exceptionalism?

A: “'American exceptionalism' is a quasi-religious doctrine holding that the US is uniquely good and therefore entitled, or even required, to intervene unilaterally for the benefit of all. The doctrine is not really American. Just about every powerful state in history has advanced similar claims, typically leaving a trail of blood and disaster."

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/interviews/20131010/184056604/American-Exceptionalism-Isnt-So-Exceptional--Noam-Chomsky-.html#ixzz3maH9vUMQ
 

fairsheet

Senator
Or exceptional
"Q: What are your thoughts on the ongoing discussion about American exceptionalism? Do you see most nations subscribing to some form of exceptionalism?

A: “'American exceptionalism' is a quasi-religious doctrine holding that the US is uniquely good and therefore entitled, or even required, to intervene unilaterally for the benefit of all. The doctrine is not really American. Just about every powerful state in history has advanced similar claims, typically leaving a trail of blood and disaster."

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/interviews/20131010/184056604/American-Exceptionalism-Isnt-So-Exceptional--Noam-Chomsky-.html#ixzz3maH9vUMQ

GP, I perceive "American Exceptionalism" somewhat differently from others. To my mind, it is what it is. It is /has been a positive, a negative, or whatever the WORLD would make of if. It's less about recriminations than about making lemonade. I may be an American, and a Democrat, and a Catholic, but I'm never an "America-laster".
 

EatTheRich

President
The US could save billion$ by closing its bases in places like Korea, Germany, Japan, and England, and the money put to better uses in the homeland.
Or putting it toward international debt relief or humanitarian aid, either of which would do more to provide us with security.
 

EatTheRich

President
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Republic_of_Korea#Program
"The program of the PRK was presented in its September 14 twenty-seven point program.

The program included: 'the confiscation without compensation of lands held by the Japanese and collaborators; free distribution of that land to the peasants; rent limits on the non redistributed land; nationalization of such major industries as mining, transportation, banking, and communication; state supervision of small and mid-sized companies; …guaranteed basic human rights and freedoms, including those of speech, press, assembly, and faith; universal suffrage to adults over the age of eighteen; equality for women; labor law reforms including an eight-hour day, a minimum wage, and prohibition of child labor; and "establishment of close relations with the United States, USSR, England, and China, and positive opposition to any foreign influences interfering with the domestic affairs of the state.'"

This was the program designed by Koreans for all of Korea; why do you suppose Americans objected to its implementation in 1945?
Sometimes they spoke for themselves.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Memo_PPS23_by_George_Kennan

Furthermore, we have about 50% of the world's wealth but only 6.3% of its population. This disparity is particularly great as between ourselves and the peoples of Asia. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security.
 

georgephillip

Governor
Or putting it toward international debt relief or humanitarian aid, either of which would do more to provide us with security.
Unfortunately, world "leaders" value the profits of a few from corporate arms and oil sales over national security for the many. Maybe the best we can hope for is to ensure future generations of American and Koreans will have an accurate history of the US invasion and occupation of South Korea to draw upon?:D
 
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