So, what’s with this impeachment delay?

[Bugsy McGurk]

Seems mysterious, right?

But one thing gets bipartisan support in DC - their desire to go on break and get home. Especially the break for the holidays. So, they all engage in a little Kabuki dance about Senate impeachment rules, etc., and they then declare “impasse,” pack up, and go home for the holidays. They’ll pick it back up after their holiday break.

At least they can all cooperate in something - slacking off.

;-)

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/with-recess-two-weeks-of-impeachment-purgatory-75423301512

 

[sensible don]

Well right wingers on here seem to think the senate is in session the next 2 weeks with their rants and Hannity conspiracy theories

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Well right wingers on here seem to think the senate is in session the next 2 weeks with their rants and Hannity conspiracy theories

Sure, but it will be a ghost town, and none of them - GOP or Dem - wants to work hard over the holiday break. Moscow Mitch has already coordinated with the White House to rig the “trial.” The fix is in. He did his “work” before the holiday break.

;-)

 

[PhilFish]

Sure, but it will be a ghost town, and none of them - GOP or Dem - wants to work hard over the holiday break. Moscow Mitch has already coordinated with the White House to rig the “trial.” The fix is in. He did his “work” before the holiday break.

;-)

You are spot-on, with one exception, in that the fix was in long ago

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

You are spot-on, with one exception, in that the fix was in long ago

Was it? I thought Moscow Mitch didn’t start rigging the “trial” with the White House until last week. And Moscow Mitch and Lindsey Graham only recently announced that they will not be impartial jurors, and that they have already decided to acquit Trump. And now they will march in there and swear an oath to be impartial jurors.

;-)

 

[PhilFish]

Was it? I thought Moscow Mitch didn’t start rigging the “trial” with the White House until last week. And Moscow Mitch and Lindsey Graham only recently announced that they will not be impartial jurors, and that they have already decided to acquit Trump. And now they will march in there and swear an oath to be impartial jurors.

;-)

Oh dear. I meant the kabuki dance it's been ongoing since the first fisa application

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Oh dear. I meant the kabuki dance it's been ongoing since the first fisa application

The Mueller report has been old news since Baghdad Barr told his atrocious lies about it and swept it under the rug. We’re now onto the Ukraine shakedown.

 

[sensible don]

Sure, but it will be a ghost town, and none of them - GOP or Dem - wants to work hard over the holiday break. Moscow Mitch has already coordinated with the White House to rig the “trial.” The fix is in. He did his “work” before the holiday break.

;-)

Moscow Mitch trying to act like a tough guy is soooo funny to watch, his timing and demeanor is horrible. The mumbling is incoherent and yet he's the best they have to run out there, 77 years old and all, as he can't yell like the other 3 can

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Moscow Mitch trying to act like a tough guy is soooo funny to watch, his timing and demeanor is horrible. The mumbling is incoherent and yet he's the best they have to run out there, 77 years old and all, as he can't yell like the other 3 can

What’s with this Democrat nonsense about having witnesses at trials?

;-)

 

[PhilFish]

The Mueller report has been old news since Baghdad Barr told his atrocious lies about it and swept it under the rug. We’re now onto the Ukraine shakedown.

Exactly. Moving Target...

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Exactly. Moving Target...

Looks like you have no problem with Trump’s Ukrainegate conduct.

Amirite?

 

[PhilFish]

Looks like you have no problem with Trump’s Ukrainegate conduct.

Amirite?

Oh no, don't get me wrong oh, worse still make things up for me.. Ukraine is a huge mess, least important on the totem pole is the phony Ukraine gate scandal

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Oh no, don't get me wrong oh, worse still make things up for me.. Ukraine is a huge mess, least important on the totem pole is the phony Ukraine gate scandal

Sounds like a “yes,” but I’m not sure.

Anyway, if one has no problem with Trump’s Ukraine shakedown, or his complete obstruction of the investigation of same, I can understand wanting to block witnesses and sweeping the whole thing under the carpet. I am not in that camp.

 

[PhilFish]

Sounds like a “yes,” but I’m not sure.

Anyway, if one has no problem with Trump’s Ukraine shakedown, or his complete obstruction of the investigation of same, I can understand wanting to block witnesses and burying the whole thing under the carpet. I am not in that camp.

I'm having trouble with your characterization, you say complete obstruction. my understanding is that there was an investigation, much testimony, many witnesses, many thousands of pages of transcripts, ultimately resulting in an impeachment, that is pending the Senate

Did you miss all that?

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

Was it? I thought Moscow Mitch didn’t start rigging the “trial” with the White House until last week. And Moscow Mitch and Lindsey Graham only recently announced that they will not be impartial jurors, and that they have already decided to acquit Trump. And now they will march in there and swear an oath to be impartial jurors.

;-)

This is funny the Schiff sham was rigged during the Mueller investigation.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

I'm having trouble with your characterization, you say complete obstruction. my understanding is that there was an investigation, much testimony, many witnesses, many thousands of pages of transcripts, ultimately resulting in an impeachment, that is pending the Senate

Did you miss all that?

Nope. I didn’t miss it at all. Evidence was produced despite Trump’s orders to his people to defy all subpoenas for testimony and documents. Trump’s obstruction remains total. The issue is whether the Senate should ask for the evidence Trump has blocked - documents and testimony from his bagmen.

What’s your position on that?

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

This is funny the Schiff sham was rigged during the Mueller investigation.

How so?

 

[PhilFish]

Nope. I didn’t miss it at all. Evidence was produced despite Trump’s orders to his people to defy all subpoenas for testimony and documents. Trump’s obstruction remains total. The issue is whether the Senate should ask for the evidence Trump has blocked - documents and testimony from his bagmen.

What’s your position on that?

does it hinge on that evidence?? it could exonerate...


will having that evidence diminish the existential threat we are all left under as the house, having gone for vaca in the midst of, has left us with?

existential, mind you. national security..and all that..

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

does it hinge on that evidence?? it could exonerate...


will having that evidence diminish the existential threat we are all left under as the house, having gone for vaca in the midst of, has left us with?

existential, mind you. national security..and all that..

It is theoretically possible that the subpoenaed documents and testimony could exonerate Trump. If it did, so be it. But let’s face it - no one really believes that. Trump did not engage in his lawless obstruction to block exonerating evidence. We all know it would confirm that Trump did exactly what all the witnesses swore he did. But it would eliminate the bogus claims of “hearsay” Trump and his defenders throw out as a result of his obstruction. It would remove all doubt. That’s why Trump blocks it, and that’s why Moscow Mitch and his fellow GOP co-conspirators support Trump’s obstruction.

 

[PhilFish]

It is theoretically possible that the subpoenaed documents and testimony could exonerate Trump. If it did, so be it. But let’s face it - no one really believes that. Trump did not engage in his lawless obstruction to block exonerating evidence. We all know it would confirm that Trump did exactly what all the witnesses swore he did. But it would eliminate the bogus claims of “hearsay” Trump and his defenders throw out as a result of his obstruction. It would remove all doubt. That’s why Trump blocks it, and that’s why Moscow Mitch and his fellow GOP co-conspirators support Trump’s obstruction.

that, or they view it as a farce... so why bother. we'll see...

no comment as to why the house left an existential threat unreferred to the senate?