Spkr. Boehner OWNS the current budget/debt ceiling debate..

[fairsheet]

It's odd that no one in the MSM has even hinted that Boehner and Boehner alone, controls the outcome of this one. It's not Obama. It's not the Reid/Senate, it's not even the crazy-assed GOP/House. It's ALL on Boehner.

EVERYONE seems to've bought into the "idea" that we're all - including Boehner - victims of the TP/GOP tail, wagging the American dog. It's all about Boehner's apparent inabliity to bring the TP/GOP into line, or maybe even, the Obama/Democrats' unwillingness to compromise with the TP/GOP.

Oh, woe are we!.....If ONLY Boehner could convince his peeps to do what's rigjht! If he can't we're all screwed!

Well...no...it's way simpler than that. All Boehner has to do is waive the "Haster Rule" - which he and only he, can do at his whim!....and bring the Senate version of this legislation up for a vote in the House. I won't be shocked in the least, if that's exactly what he does. The last thing Boehner OR rational GOPs should be wanting right now, is for Pres. Obama to unilaterally raise the debt limit.

Of course, some may insist that he can't do that. To them I say, "Prove it". Proving it would take months at the very least. And, that legal fight would NOT be in the GOPs' interest.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Yup.

The Senate will pass a bill funding Obamacare, it will go back to the House, and then Boehner will be put in the position of claiming that it's "the Dems" that want to shut down the government even though it will be clear that the bill that comes back from the Senate would pass the House too IF Boehner allowed it to come up for a vote.

It's all on John-John. I expect serious bawling.

;-)

 

[Cerulean Mutt]

Boehner's looking out for his own skin. Up until now he just been placating the teabaggin caucus of the House with the hopes they don't stage a mutiny and toss him out of his precious Speakership.

Of course he's going to waive the Hastert Rule once the Senate kicks the Continuing Resolution (minus the Obamacare Defundment) back to the House. Question is, will he have done enough to keep the teabaggers at bay?

 

[Figjam]

...republicans neither own nor accept responsibility for anything that even hints of a problem...

 

[NightSwimmer]

I just can't even really get interested in this charade again. It's been done to death.

What was it that W said? "Fool me once... Can't get fooled again."

 

[worldlymrb]

Isn't great that a dysfunctional govt now runs EVERYTHING!!

 

[Colorforms]

It's odd that no one in the MSM has even hinted that Boehner and Boehner alone, controls the outcome of this one. It's not Obama. It's not the Reid/Senate, it's not even the crazy-assed GOP/House. It's ALL on Boehner.

EVERYONE seems to've bought into the "idea" that we're all - including Boehner - victims of the TP/GOP tail, wagging the American dog. It's all about Boehner's apparent inabliity to bring the TP/GOP into line, or maybe even, the Obama/Democrats' unwillingness to compromise with the TP/GOP.

Oh, woe are we!.....If ONLY Boehner could convince his peeps to do what's rigjht! If he can't we're all screwed!

Well...no...it's way simpler than that. All Boehner has to do is waive the "Haster Rule" - which he and only he, can do at his whim!....and bring the Senate version of this legislation up for a vote in the House. I won't be shocked in the least, if that's exactly what he does. The last thing Boehner OR rational GOPs should be wanting right now, is for Pres. Obama to unilaterally raise the debt limit.

Of course, some may insist that he can't do that. To them I say, "Prove it". Proving it would take months at the very least. And, that legal fight would NOT be in the GOPs' interest.

I was always under the impression that the democrats controlled 2 of the 3 branches of government, and that compromise required 2 parties. After all, Reid could just accept the bill that comes out of the house and send to the president to sign as well.

How Boehner has become the sole person responsible for finding equity in this budget battle is something only the MSM can speculate about while their willing sycophants parrot the meme.

 

[fairsheet]

I was always under the impression that the democrats controlled 2 of the 3 branches of government, and that compromise required 2 parties. After all, Reid could just accept the bill that comes out of the house and send to the president to sign as well.

How Boehner has become the sole person responsible for finding equity in this budget battle is something only the MSM can speculate about while their willing sycophants parrot the meme.

You may've missed my gist. I didn't mean to suggest that Boehner is solely responsible for all this. What I meant to suggest, is that contrary to near-universal opinion, he's the one person empowered to call this one either way. IF he waives the Haster Rule, a sufficient numer of House-GOPsters will join with the Democrats to approve whatever the Senate sends over.

And sure..."technically" the Senate and Obama could settle this by agreeing to the TP/GOP's Obamacare extortion, but as a matter of any semblance of political reality, they can't do that.

Of course....Boehner's situation isn't free of political cost to him. But, his political calculation is at least tenable.

On a tangent...some are comparing this situation to the '96 Newt/Clinton day - which the Newt/GOP lost rather decisively. But..there's one very significant difference that doesn't seem to be discussed. In '96, the GOP had the majority in the House AND the Senate. So, to the extent "the people" were taken aback at Newt's attempt to extort Clinton, they'll be even more taken aback when the extortion comes from just one faction of one house.

 

[Colorforms]

You may've missed my gist. I didn't mean to suggest that Boehner is solely responsible for all this. What I meant to suggest, is that contrary to near-universal opinion, he's the one person empowered to call this one either way. IF he waives the Haster Rule, a sufficient numer of House-GOPsters will join with the Democrats to approve whatever the Senate sends over.

And sure..."technically" the Senate and Obama could settle this by agreeing to the TP/GOP's Obamacare extortion, but as a matter of any semblance of political reality, they can't do that.

Of course....Boehner's situation isn't free of political cost to him. But, his political calculation is at least tenable.

On a tangent...some are comparing this situation to the '96 Newt/Clinton day - which the Newt/GOP lost rather decisively. But..there's one very significant difference that doesn't seem to be discussed. In '96, the GOP had the majority in the House AND the Senate. So, to the extent "the people" were taken aback at Newt's attempt to extort Clinton, they'll be even more taken aback when the extortion comes from just one faction of one house.

As a matter of political reality, both sides are in the same situation. Barry and Reid refuse to budge on Obamacare, and Boehner has the same political calculations on his side to deal with. How Barry and Reid can remain resolute while it's Boehner who has to flinch is again a media machination.

 

[fairsheet]

As a matter of political reality, both sides are in the same situation. Barry and Reid refuse to budge on Obamacare, and Boehner has the same political calculations on his side to deal with. How Barry and Reid can remain resolute while it's Boehner who has to flinch is again a media machination.

Once again....I'm not talking about who has to "flinch". I'm merely talking about who's empowered to resolve this one. Boehner could flinch and resolve it. Redid could "flinch" but Obama would veto his flinch, so it wouldn't resolve the issue.

And on a sidenote - traditionally, when one side or another offers none but poison pills, they're NOT considered to be negotiating in good faith. If the situation were reversed and the Democrats threatened to shut down the guvmint if L'l George didn't bring all the troops back from Iraq immediately, no one would've taken those Democrats seriously.

 

[fairsheet]

Boehner's looking out for his own skin. Up until now he just been placating the teabaggin caucus of the House with the hopes they don't stage a mutiny and toss him out of his precious Speakership.

Of course he's going to waive the Hastert Rule once the Senate kicks the Continuing Resolution (minus the Obamacare Defundment) back to the House. Question is, will he have done enough to keep the teabaggers at bay?

The Tea Partiers have painted Boehner into a legacy corner. He goes along with them and keeps his speakership. OR, he does the right and patriotic thing, and loses his speakership.

At this point...IMHO, the latter is the lesser of his evils at this point. Amd...I've at least seen hints that Boehner might actually relish sticking it to these Tea Partyin' loons.

 

[bdtex]

It's odd that no one in the MSM has even hinted that Boehner and Boehner alone, controls the outcome of this one. It's not Obama. It's not the Reid/Senate, it's not even the crazy-assed GOP/House. It's ALL on Boehner.

EVERYONE seems to've bought into the "idea" that we're all - including Boehner - victims of the TP/GOP tail, wagging the American dog. It's all about Boehner's apparent inabliity to bring the TP/GOP into line, or maybe even, the Obama/Democrats' unwillingness to compromise with the TP/GOP.

Oh, woe are we!.....If ONLY Boehner could convince his peeps to do what's rigjht! If he can't we're all screwed!

Well...no...it's way simpler than that. All Boehner has to do is waive the "Haster Rule" - which he and only he, can do at his whim!....and bring the Senate version of this legislation up for a vote in the House. I won't be shocked in the least, if that's exactly what he does. The last thing Boehner OR rational GOPs should be wanting right now, is for Pres. Obama to unilaterally raise the debt limit.

Of course, some may insist that he can't do that. To them I say, "Prove it". Proving it would take months at the very least. And, that legal fight would NOT be in the GOPs' interest.

He will waive the Hastert Rule on the CR and debt ceiling increase. Otherwise,he'll own a government shutdown,debt default and US credit downgrade.

 

[NightSwimmer]

The Orange Man might not want to lose his leadership position, but he certainly doesn't want to lose his seat altogether. He wouldn't make it out in the real world.