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Suppose a serial killer/rapist/torturer wanted to make a bet with you?

GordonGecko

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He sees your grown child....out of college, nice well-paying job, loving spouse, couple of cute kids, friends, security.....and that child is always telling people how "I got where I was because of my parent (mom and/or dad)"

And this evil son-of-a-bitch said "You know? I'll bet if I took all their stuff away. Killed their kids (your grandkids). Purposefully injected their spouse with HIV. Burnt down their house. Cost them their job and kept them from getting another. Gave them dose of clap. They'd stop being so laudatory in their praises of how well you raised them."


And you said....."Sure go ahead. Let 'em have it. Let's see how it plays out."?

Would that show you were a good and moral person???
 
Depends on if they're all Christians. And why would my grown child blame ME for the evil person (Satan?) taking everything away from him? I may be the one that helped him get where he was at, but I'm not the one that took it away.
 
Caroljo said:
Depends on if they're all Christians. And why would my grown child blame ME for the evil person (Satan?) taking everything away from him? I may be the one that helped him get where he was at, but I'm not the one that took it away.
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I repeat no man, lawyer, judge, or doctor should have the right to tell a woman that she has to endure the ravages of pregnancy. Or nine months of morning sickness, or stretch marks, or weight gain that may threaten their health. In other words, we are making ourselves judge and jury, by telling her she has to bear a child.
 
Caroljo said:
Depends on if they're all Christians. And why would my grown child blame ME for the evil person (Satan?) taking everything away from him? I may be the one that helped him get where he was at, but I'm not the one that took it away.
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So if you drove a rapist over to your female family member's house....but didn't actually do the raping yourself....you share no blame in the act?
 
gigi said:
Good job, Gordon. Why don't you go read the rest of the story and then ask that same question.
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Why don't you explain my part? And then you can explain how "the rest of the story" somehow makes God look good for destroying a man's life over a ...bet.
 
GordonGecko said:
So if you drove a rapist over to your female family member's house....but didn't actually do the raping yourself....you share no blame in the act?
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I meant I may have been the one to help MY SON get where he was at, not the fricking rapist! Duh!
 
squareshot said:
I repeat no man, lawyer, judge, or doctor should have the right to tell a woman that she has to endure the ravages of pregnancy. Or nine months of morning sickness, or stretch marks, or weight gain that may threaten their health. In other words, we are making ourselves judge and jury, by telling her she has to bear a child.
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I understand where you're coming from...but I disagree. I feel a woman has no right to kill an innocent child because she was negligent and didn't take the precautions needed. That child is a human life....most women have no problem with pregnancies so it's not a good excuse.
 
GordonGecko said:
God in Job gives Satan the "go ahead" to destroy Job's life.....is any of the evil God permits Satan to do His fault?
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God let this happen because Satan was so sure that he could get Job to turn his back on God if his life was made a living hell. God knew it wouldn't happen, but he let Satan do what he wanted, and He proved Satan wrong. So, ya, it is God's fault that he let it happen. But after all the hell Job went through, he never rejected God...and God made sure Job was blessed again. We all go through a lot of trials. Maybe not as bad as Job did, but many people go through things that are horrendous.....and many come out of it better off than before. This is what happens to people that put their lives and faith in God.

Satan is still very free on this earth....and he's going to attack Christians every chance he gets. In fact I believe Christians suffer more from this than non-believers. Satan already has a hold on them, so he doesn't need to do much more.

I know this makes no sense to non-believers. Some of these things make no sense to the rest of us either. Especially at the time it's happening. But any time I've gone through trials and suffered, sometime after that is when I realized it was not in my hands, but Gods. And I always come out better for it.
 
It makes no sense to anyone, yet the gullible will accept it as "God's wisdom" anyway. Being a thinker is the exact opposite of being a "believer".
 
Caroljo said:
God let this happen because Satan was so sure that he could get Job to turn his back on God if his life was made a living hell. God knew it wouldn't happen, but he let Satan do what he wanted, and He proved Satan wrong.
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So....God, to prove a lesser being wrong, allows that being to DESTROY A MAN'S LIFE to say "Nanner-nanner-boo-boo. HA! Proved ya wrong!"

BTW, what did God know "wouldn't happen"? Job questions God...did God know that was going to happen?
 
NightSwimmer said:
It makes no sense to anyone, yet the gullible will accept it as "God's wisdom" anyway. Being a thinker is the exact opposite of being a "believer".
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If the Book of Job doesn't at the least raise questions in your mind....IF you believe it is literally true (if a fable, it's just nonsensical rationalization of course)....

then you have the same mind as a child who doesn't question at 9 or 10 years old....how a sleigh with 8 tiny reindeer can carry megatons of toys around the world in a 12 hour period.
 
Caroljo said:
I understand where you're coming from...but I disagree. I feel a woman has no right to kill an innocent child because she was negligent and didn't take the precautions needed. That child is a human life....most women have no problem with pregnancies so it's not a good excuse.
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There are thousands of women who have been literally beaten into submission, who had no chance to protect themselves in the U.S. only. Further, the children who are raped by family members, or raped by friends of the family had no way to protect themselves. What about the women who were told after they became pregnant that they would lose their life if the child was carried to term. There are many more examples of reasons why women should have the choice, to either continue with pregnancies or not. If it is left up to the judicial system most of the time women's lives, are opened up to the scrutiny of the whole world. This is just a few of the reasons that a woman's reproductive rights should be left up to her, and no one else. Then there's the problem of who will pay for the rearing of the child. Heavens, a twelve year old has no way to pay for a child. I know the churches oppose abortion at all cost, but you and they need to be practical. An unwanted child can not protect itself from abuse by the father or the mother.
 
GordonGecko said:
So....God, to prove a lesser being wrong, allows that being to DESTROY A MAN'S LIFE to say "Nanner-nanner-boo-boo. HA! Proved ya wrong!"

BTW, what did God know "wouldn't happen"? Job questions God...did God know that was going to happen?
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How do I know what God knew? I believe he knew Job was a faithful servant...other than that, no idea. And, it's ok to question God. He expects it.....
 
squareshot said:
There are thousands of women who have been literally beaten into submission, who had no chance to protect themselves in the U.S. only. Further, the children who are raped by family members, or raped by friends of the family had no way to protect themselves. What about the women who were told after they became pregnant that they would lose their life if the child was carried to term. There are many more examples of reasons why women should have the choice, to either continue with pregnancies or not. If it is left up to the judicial system most of the time women's lives, are opened up to the scrutiny of the whole world. This is just a few of the reasons that a woman's reproductive rights should be left up to her, and no one else. Then there's the problem of who will pay for the rearing of the child. Heavens, a twelve year old has no way to pay for a child. I know the churches oppose abortion at all cost, but you and they need to be practical. An unwanted child can not protect itself from abuse by the father or the mother.
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I have never said I oppose abortion at ALL cost. I would not stop a woman (or girl) from having an abortion in cases of rape or incest. I oppose abortion just because the woman doesn't want a child "right now". When there is absolutely no reason for it other than they just don't want it, that's where I draw the line. Too bad....have the child and put it up for adoption!
 
Caroljo said:
I have never said I oppose abortion at ALL cost. I would not stop a woman (or girl) from having an abortion in cases of rape or incest. I oppose abortion just because the woman doesn't want a child "right now". When there is absolutely no reason for it other than they just don't want it, that's where I draw the line. Too bad....have the child and put it up for adoption!
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Hi CJ, there are just too many variables to make a broad rule for all women, but if we could narrow down the variables, maybe there are some cases that might be solved by the law, but for the most part, the courts should not be brought into it, because that is a sorry way for any child to start his or her life.
 
squareshot said:
Hi CJ, there are just too many variables to make a broad rule for all women, but if we could narrow down the variables, maybe there are some cases that might be solved by the law, but for the most part, the courts should not be brought into it, because that is a sorry way for any child to start his or her life.
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There are times women have 'said' they were raped. A good friend of my son's went to prison for 10 yrs for it. I know, it wasn't true. This is when a court should get involved.
 
Caroljo said:
I understand where you're coming from...but I disagree. I feel a woman has no right to kill an innocent child because she was negligent and didn't take the precautions needed. That child is a human life....most women have no problem with pregnancies so it's not a good excuse.
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We aren't talking about children, last I heard it is illegal to kill a child.
 
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