The failure of the US Military Hierarchy

[PNWest]

What is happening in Afghanistan is a direct result of the failure of the top levels of the US military. For 20 years President after President has listened and done exactly what the top military people wanted. This is the result. The military failed miserably.

These generals argued that we needed to stay there to train the Afghans to defend themselves. Since the beginning (after the miltary FAILED to contain Osama bin Laden which was their only goal originally) liberals urged that the troops come home and time after time Presidents like Bush, Obama and Trump refused to do so because the generals told them not to. They ALWAYS needed just a little more time. 20 [Unwelcome language removed] years and countless lives and billions of dollars wasted. Thank God Joe Biden is shutting this shitshow down.

The Afghani people WANT the Taliban - don't kid yourselves. They always have and always will. If they really opposed the Taliban they would have fought them off.

We were deceived by the military. Just like REPUBLICAN President Dwight D Eisenhower warned 60 years ago.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

From Ike's farewell address.

Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence—economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet, we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

 

[bdtex]

In early 2019,I had dinner with a retired Army Colonel who did 3 tours in Afghanistan and was still serving in an advisory capacity. He said then that we needed to get out because we had done all we could do there.

 

[PNWest]

In early 2019,I had dinner with a retired Army Colonel who did 3 tours in Afghanistan and was still serving in an advisory capacity. He said then that we needed to get out because we had done all we could do there.

Operative word there is "retired". Easier to tell the truth from outside the system.

 

[Alinvegas]

What is happening in Afghanistan is a direct result of the failure of the top levels of the US military. For 20 years President after President has listened and done exactly what the top military people wanted. This is the result. The military failed miserably.

These generals argued that we needed to stay there to train the Afghans to defend themselves. Since the beginning (after the miltary FAILED to contain Osama bin Laden which was their only goal originally) liberals urged that the troops come home and time after time Presidents like Bush, Obama and Trump refused to do so because the generals told them not to. They ALWAYS needed just a little more time. 20 [Unwelcome language removed] years and countless lives and billions of dollars wasted. Thank God Joe Biden is shutting this shitshow down.

The Afghani people WANT the Taliban - don't kid yourselves. They always have and always will. If they really opposed the Taliban they would have fought them off.

We were deceived by the military. Just like REPUBLICAN President Dwight D Eisenhower warned 60 years ago.

And Joe Biden is at the top...

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

What is happening in Afghanistan is a direct result of the failure of the top levels of the US military. For 20 years President after President has listened and done exactly what the top military people wanted. This is the result. The military failed miserably.

These generals argued that we needed to stay there to train the Afghans to defend themselves. Since the beginning (after the miltary FAILED to contain Osama bin Laden which was their only goal originally) liberals urged that the troops come home and time after time Presidents like Bush, Obama and Trump refused to do so because the generals told them not to. They ALWAYS needed just a little more time. 20 [Unwelcome language removed] years and countless lives and billions of dollars wasted. Thank God Joe Biden is shutting this shitshow down.

The Afghani people WANT the Taliban - don't kid yourselves. They always have and always will. If they really opposed the Taliban they would have fought them off.

We were deceived by the military. Just like REPUBLICAN President Dwight D Eisenhower warned 60 years ago.

Any chance of doing any good in Afghanistan vanished in 2002 when GWB decided to divert the military resources to his Iraq disaster. The last 18 years have been pointless.

 

[Queen Titania]

Any chance of doing any good in Afghanistan vanished in 2002 when GWB decided to divert the military resources to his Iraq disaster. The last 18 years have been pointless.

Alexandra the Great couldn't conquer Afghanistan. The British lost more fighting men there in the 19th century than they did in two world wars (though we stayed for 80yrs on different terms). The Russians couldn't conquer Afghanistan either. Nor could you.

Afghaistan is unconquerable.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Alexandra the Great couldn't conquer Afghanistan. The British lost more fighting men there in the 19th century than they did in two world wars (though we stayed for 80yrs on different terms). The Russians couldn't conquer Afghanistan either. Nor could you.

Afghaistan is unconquerable.

No argument here. We wasted way too many lives and billions trying to “reform” Afghanistan.

 

[PNWest]

And Joe Biden is at the top...

No. Joe Biden is the one that got us out of that shithole. The Presidents responsible for this massive waste are Bush, Obama and Trump. None of them had the courage to go up against the military. Biden did.

 

[Zam-Zam]

What is happening in Afghanistan is a direct result of the failure of the top levels of the US military. For 20 years President after President has listened and done exactly what the top military people wanted. This is the result. The military failed miserably.

These generals argued that we needed to stay there to train the Afghans to defend themselves. Since the beginning (after the miltary FAILED to contain Osama bin Laden which was their only goal originally) liberals urged that the troops come home and time after time Presidents like Bush, Obama and Trump refused to do so because the generals told them not to. They ALWAYS needed just a little more time. 20 [Unwelcome language removed] years and countless lives and billions of dollars wasted. Thank God Joe Biden is shutting this shitshow down.

The Afghani people WANT the Taliban - don't kid yourselves. They always have and always will. If they really opposed the Taliban they would have fought them off.

We were deceived by the military. Just like REPUBLICAN President Dwight D Eisenhower warned 60 years ago.

Just as long as the buck stops anywhere but the White House, right?

 

[Queen Titania]

No argument here. We wasted way too many lives and billions trying to “reform” Afghanistan.

That why the US and co where there, is it? Rubbish.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

No. Joe Biden is the one that got us out of that shithole. The Presidents responsible for this massive waste are Bush, Obama and Trump. None of them had the courage to go up against the military. Biden did.

Yes, but in Trumplandia, where up is down, the president who got us out of there is responsible.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

That why the US and co where there, is it? Rubbish.

You can debate why we (and other nations and NATO) were there. It’s a pointless debate. We shouldn’t have been there at all after 2003.

 

[Bernard_Fokke]

Just as long as the buck stops anywhere but the White House, right?

Word!

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Just as long as the buck stops anywhere but the White House, right?

Not at all. The presidents who created the mess lived in the White House.

 

[Alinvegas]

No. Joe Biden is the one that got us out of that shithole. The Presidents responsible for this massive waste are Bush, Obama and Trump. None of them had the courage to go up against the military. Biden did.

First lefty claims the Biden is just following Trumps pull out orders then this. Please make up your mind. I'm getting dizzy from all the

 

[Queen Titania]

You can debate why we (and other nations and NATO) were there. It’s a pointless debate. We shouldn’t have been there at all after 2003.

Shouldn't have been there at all but some lined their pockets well, out of it - and that is what war is all about, intit?

 

[PNWest]

First lefty claims the Biden is just following Trumps pull out orders then this. Please make up your mind. I'm getting dizzy from all the

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If you were an honest person you would know that I praised Trump for starting the troop withdrawal. You're dizzy alright but it ain't because of any spin!

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Shouldn't have been there at all but some lined their pockets well, out of it - and that is what war is all about, intit?

I was good with going in there to nail Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda, but GWB quickly screwed that up.

 

[Queen Titania]

I was good with going in there to nail Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda, but GWB quickly screwed that up.

Bin Laden was surrounded within days. The soldiers where told to back off ---- when asked 'how far back?' they were told to 'get the f'''k out of there' ... helecopters arrived, fast, and they were all flown away from bin Laden's lair. i heard that first hand from two different soldiers, British, and from one, American, in Slate.

War is always about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$