The Truth about Public Schools

[reason10]

I work in the system. I see it every day.

Public schools are little more than warehouses for people's kids. Parents MOSTLY use schools as taxpayer financed free daycare centers, especially at the inner city level. As usual, in the government bureaucratic model, the people who are actually doing the work, the educating are paid crap. The administrators and bureaucrats suck up most of those tax dollars. So if you liberals think raising taxes on locals will do anything different, you're stupid. The administrators and bureaucrats will get raises.

Most of the problem in the classroom is the fault of the parents. And this is not cultural or race based. I don't blame a parent's race for his/her being a shitty parent.

Florida definitely has the best public schools in the country. We're a low tax red state. Our locals don't vote for Democrats.
Our graduating standards are pretty high. The teachers on the job bust their asses to get these ingrates to the diploma stage.

Think private schools are the answer? Okay. Let's look at that.

How many parents you know will suddenly decide to PAY TUITION out of their own pockets for an allegedly better school?

Want taxpayers to fund private schools? That means administrators and bureaucrats come with that. Private schools either opt out of that bullshit or they deteriorate into mediocrity.

Think politicians give a rat's ass about your kids' public education? Think the wonderful Barak Hussein Kenya gives a shit? His kids went to private schools, paid for by our taxes. ALL politicians in Washington put their kids through private schools.

Wanna make sure your kid gets a good education? The answer is a lot cheaper than you think.

Just GET OFF YOUR FAT ASS and do your job as a parent. Discipline the little shit when he/she is young. Train the little shit not to act out in the classroom. Make the little shit do his/her homework. DO YOUR DAMNED JOB. Turn off the sitcoms at night and work with your brat and his studies. Don't buy him/her expensive toys, video games, cell phones, when he/she needs to graduate. Quit spoiling the little shit. Meet with his/her teacher. Take an active role.

And don't bitch and moan if you sit on your fat ass and do nothing and your brat drops out and moves into your basement for the rest of his/her life.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I work in the system. I see it every day.

Public schools are little more than warehouses for people's kids. Parents MOSTLY use schools as taxpayer financed free daycare centers, especially at the inner city level. As usual, in the government bureaucratic model, the people who are actually doing the work, the educating are paid crap. The administrators and bureaucrats suck up most of those tax dollars. So if you liberals think raising taxes on locals will do anything different, you're stupid. The administrators and bureaucrats will get raises.

Most of the problem in the classroom is the fault of the parents. And this is not cultural or race based. I don't blame a parent's race for his/her being a shitty parent.

Florida definitely has the best public schools in the country. We're a low tax red state. Our locals don't vote for Democrats.
Our graduating standards are pretty high. The teachers on the job bust their asses to get these ingrates to the diploma stage.

Think private schools are the answer? Okay. Let's look at that.

How many parents you know will suddenly decide to PAY TUITION out of their own pockets for an allegedly better school?

Want taxpayers to fund private schools? That means administrators and bureaucrats come with that. Private schools either opt out of that bullshit or they deteriorate into mediocrity.

Think politicians give a rat's ass about your kids' public education? Think the wonderful Barak Hussein Kenya gives a shit? His kids went to private schools, paid for by our taxes. ALL politicians in Washington put their kids through private schools.

Wanna make sure your kid gets a good education? The answer is a lot cheaper than you think.

Just GET OFF YOUR FAT ASS and do your job as a parent. Discipline the little shit when he/she is young. Train the little shit not to act out in the classroom. Make the little shit do his/her homework. DO YOUR DAMNED JOB. Turn off the sitcoms at night and work with your brat and his studies. Don't buy him/her expensive toys, video games, cell phones, when he/she needs to graduate. Quit spoiling the little shit. Meet with his/her teacher. Take an active role.

And don't bitch and moan if you sit on your fat ass and do nothing and your brat drops out and moves into your basement for the rest of his/her life.

There's a lot of sad truths you mentioned. I was at an elementary school for 6 years.

Nothing more than glorified childcare? Far too often, Totally.

And the blame. A kid learns massively inappropriate language and topics from the internet (which they have access to because they get an ipad from their parents with no governing of content), and then when it causes trouble, the teacher is blamed.

If a child gets bad grades, it used to be you looked to the kid and said "What's wrong". Now, they look at the teacher and say "What's wrong".

Fingerpointing of racism around every corner. White teachers have to walk on eggshells when teaching a black child, and allow them to get away with more out of fear for their jobs.

 

[ObamacareForever]

No personal responsibility anywhere.
Teacher say it is the parents
parents say it is the teachers.
The buck has to stop somewhere.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

No personal responsibility anywhere.
Teacher say it is the parents
parents say it is the teachers.
The buck has to stop somewhere.

I guess it comes down to one thing..

Who was actually there.

So often I'd hear the "My child would NEVER do that" routine.

I'd say it's the vocal minority dictating reality. The pissed off crazy parents have terrorized so many school districts through winning court cases that nobody is safe.

There needs to be a school orientation. What is school for??

It's largely normalizing employable behavior. If you don't do your work, have a horrible attitude, etc... you aren't being a good student. This sociological relatavism is madness. Stop blaming society, and evil white standards... be a diligent, behaved, respectful student/human being, and you'll do just fine. That's not what issues are usually about though.. it's about a bad student who isn't compatible, and the parents fight to keep them in child care, i mean, elementary school.

 

[TBLee]

I guess it comes down to one thing..

Who was actually there.

So often I'd hear the "My child would NEVER do that" routine.

I'd say it's the vocal minority dictating reality. The pissed off crazy parents have terrorized so many school districts through winning court cases that nobody is safe.

There needs to be a school orientation. What is school for??

It's largely normalizing employable behavior. If you don't do your work, have a horrible attitude, etc... you aren't being a good student. This sociological relatavism is madness. Stop blaming society, and evil white standards... be a diligent, behaved, respectful student/human being, and you'll do just fine. That's not what issues are usually about though.. it's about a bad student who isn't compatible, and the parents fight to keep them in child care, i mean, elementary school.

When I was subbing I would sometimes go and help out in the office during my free periods. I saw firsthand parents enabling their teens. The teens would come in with a fake note (to be dismissed, or excusing their absence). I would often have to make the call to the parents in regards to the note, as the signature did not match the signature card we had on all students and it was apparent that the kids were forging the notes, yet their parent would back them up. The parent would actually lie for their kids. There were some calls in which I actually knew the parent, and occasionally the parent would let the chips fall and their teen learn a very valuable lesson.

 

[reason10]

No personal responsibility anywhere.
Teacher say it is the parents
parents say it is the teachers.
The buck has to stop somewhere.

In my experience in two Florida counties, the teachers don't take a break. In the teacher's lounge during the work day, they don't talk about anything other than the job. They stay after school for long unpaid hours to grade papers, prepare lesson plans and whatever bullshit mandates come down from either Tallahassee or the Beltway.

There WAS a teacher (one I'm currently subbing for) who passed the bar exam and left the job for a gig at a law office in Orlando, but not before calling the assistant principal a BITCH to her face, and in front of students at that. So yes, not all teachers are saints.

Thing is, teachers are trained to teach the class, put out the lesson plans, grade the papers, answer questions. That's actually more training than a college gives a teacher or an intern. Then from the first day on, the teacher becomes the animal trainer, trying to enforce discipline in the class, getting past those who disrupt the class because they don't want to be there.

That's why personally I believe in automatic built in raises every year. The ONLY real training is on-the-job training. Teachers DO get better on the job. Of course there should be merit pay, but since we ask teachers to do more and more every year, we should pay what that "more" is worth.

Then again, in one county I get all the sub shifts I want because teachers are routinely screwed by management and leave the profession in droves. Works out for me. Pretty soon, the county might even give me a raise.

 

[RickWA]

No personal responsibility anywhere.
Teacher say it is the parents
parents say it is the teachers.
The buck has to stop somewhere.

I am a parent and I say the problem is the parent(s). Good, active, informed, alert parenting begets eager, well-mannered, attentive, respectful kids. All three of my kids excelled/are excelling, have never been in trouble, and maintain a great balance of academics and athletics. They are 24, 20, and 16 years of age...and I could not be more proud of them.

But they were blessed with very concerned and very "present" parents. Two of them.

 

[Jen]

I work in the system. I see it every day.

Public schools are little more than warehouses for people's kids. Parents MOSTLY use schools as taxpayer financed free daycare centers, especially at the inner city level. As usual, in the government bureaucratic model, the people who are actually doing the work, the educating are paid crap. The administrators and bureaucrats suck up most of those tax dollars. So if you liberals think raising taxes on locals will do anything different, you're stupid. The administrators and bureaucrats will get raises.

Most of the problem in the classroom is the fault of the parents. And this is not cultural or race based. I don't blame a parent's race for his/her being a shitty parent.

Florida definitely has the best public schools in the country. We're a low tax red state. Our locals don't vote for Democrats.
Our graduating standards are pretty high. The teachers on the job bust their asses to get these ingrates to the diploma stage.

Think private schools are the answer? Okay. Let's look at that.

How many parents you know will suddenly decide to PAY TUITION out of their own pockets for an allegedly better school?

Want taxpayers to fund private schools? That means administrators and bureaucrats come with that. Private schools either opt out of that bullshit or they deteriorate into mediocrity.

Think politicians give a rat's ass about your kids' public education? Think the wonderful Barak Hussein Kenya gives a shit? His kids went to private schools, paid for by our taxes. ALL politicians in Washington put their kids through private schools.

Wanna make sure your kid gets a good education? The answer is a lot cheaper than you think.

Just GET OFF YOUR FAT ASS and do your job as a parent. Discipline the little shit when he/she is young. Train the little shit not to act out in the classroom. Make the little shit do his/her homework. DO YOUR DAMNED JOB. Turn off the sitcoms at night and work with your brat and his studies. Don't buy him/her expensive toys, video games, cell phones, when he/she needs to graduate. Quit spoiling the little shit. Meet with his/her teacher. Take an active role.

And don't bitch and moan if you sit on your fat ass and do nothing and your brat drops out and moves into your basement for the rest of his/her life.

What you say is true.
Education begins at home. A child with a good home life and parents who promote education and expect excellence from their child will learn even if the school is sub-par.

Leftists/ Democrats have devalued the core family unit for the last 50+ years and it is quite evident now just what that brings to a culture.

 

[reason10]

I am a parent and I say the problem is the parent(s). Good, active, informed, alert parenting begets eager, well-mannered, attentive, respectful kids. All three of my kids excelled/are excelling, have never been in trouble, and maintain a great balance of academics and athletics. They are 24, 20, and 16 years of age...and I could not be more proud of them.

But they were blessed with very concerned and very "present" parents. Two of them.

That's what it's all about.

 

[PhilFish]

I am a parent and I say the problem is the parent(s). Good, active, informed, alert parenting begets eager, well-mannered, attentive, respectful kids. All three of my kids excelled/are excelling, have never been in trouble, and maintain a great balance of academics and athletics. They are 24, 20, and 16 years of age...and I could not be more proud of them.

But they were blessed with very concerned and very "present" parents. Two of them.

beat me to it...


correct.

shit behavior and lack of self control begets same.

 

[RickWA]

beat me to it...


correct.

shit behavior and lack of self control begets same.

It is very simple...and unchanging across all generations and cultures. There's no mystery here.

 

[Nutty Cortez]

Of course.

The Administrators and bureaucrats need those 6 figure salaries and retirements for life. All on the backs of the state.

The hell with actual education.

 

[now_what]

I am a parent and I say the problem is the parent(s). Good, active, informed, alert parenting begets eager, well-mannered, attentive, respectful kids. All three of my kids excelled/are excelling, have never been in trouble, and maintain a great balance of academics and athletics. They are 24, 20, and 16 years of age...and I could not be more proud of them.

But they were blessed with very concerned and very "present" parents. Two of them.

So good job to you and your kids. Really, that is what life is all about.

But not everybody has the same opportunities as you have provided, both by coming from a loving family and I would assume financially. So what improvements can be made from the standpoint that it is a given that there will always be single family homes and lower class communities?

 

[RickWA]

So good job to you and your kids. Really, that is what life is all about.

But not everybody has the same opportunities as you have provided, both by coming from a loving family and I would assume financially. So what improvements can be made from the standpoint that it is a given that there will always be single family homes and lower class communities?

Whatever improvements can be made do not inhere in additional funding. Our actual per pupil spending is generally quite adequate. I have opinions regarding sidebar, non-curricula mission distractions, curricula content that is more social and cultural-adjustment in focus than academic, constant pressures of 'scope creep' rather than adherence to central purpose, bureaucratic excess, etc., etc...but none of these really speak to the absence of consistent, active, hands-on parenting. For this there is no proxy. It's a non-negotiable. If you have a child, your number one responsibility and mission is that child's health, development, and well-being. All else is a distant second.

 

[now_what]

Whatever improvements can be made do not inhere in additional funding. Our actual per pupil spending is generally quite adequate. I have opinions regarding sidebar, non-curricula mission distractions, curricula content that is more social and cultural-adjustment in focus than academic, constant pressures of 'scope creep' rather than adherence to central purpose, bureaucratic excess, etc., etc...but none of these really speak to the absence of consistent, active, hands-on parenting. For this there is no proxy. It's a non-negotiable. If you have a child, your number one responsibility and mission is that child's health, development, and well-being. All else is a distant second.

So I actually agree with you on this. But I don't see any solution.

I see teachers as underpaid. While you're right about spending per pupil being among the highest in the world, that isn't the case for teacher salaries. Not many of our talented students want to be teachers, especially with the high cost of graduate schooling. But this is also a side bar.

 

[RickWA]

So I actually agree with you on this. But I don't see any solution.

I see teachers as underpaid. While you're right about spending per pupil being among the highest in the world, that isn't the case for teacher salaries. Not many of our talented students want to be teachers, especially with the high cost of graduate schooling. But this is also a side bar.

Totally agree on teacher compensation. Too much of the budget is siphoned off to administration and overhead - to the neglect of teachers and teaching supplies/equipment.