There Should BE NOTIFICATION WHEN A THREAD IS CENSORED

[LogCabinRepublican]

I notice that when posting hhere a lot of times threads and posts seem to vanish into thin air with absolutely zero notification.

When a moderator takes action is it too much to ask that a notification and reason be given?

 

[Jen]

There is supposed to be notification and I believe the moderating staff is working on making that happen. The software is sometimes recalcitrant.

 

[Havelock]

I notice that when posting hhere a lot of times threads and posts seem to vanish into thin air with absolutely zero notification.

When a moderator takes action is it too much to ask that a notification and reason be given?

I too have noticed that some threads have simply been "disappeared" in these parts lately. Poof! Gone without a trace or a word of explanation.

That's deeply unprofessional in my book, given that as far as I could see the threads in question didn't contain illegal or otherwise seriously actionable material. Were they deemed "too offensive?" If so, then by whom, for what reason?

Now, certainly the site owner and/or his appointed moderators are at liberty to ax any content they choose whenever they see fit and for whatever reason. But simply wishing "bad" threads away into the cornfield without so much as a word is no way to run a ship if you ask me. The thread author and the board community need to be notified when a thread is removed, reasons need to be given, and guidance for future conduct provided as appropriate. That really ought to be non-negotiable.

Cheers.

 

[JV-12]

I notice that when posting hhere a lot of times threads and posts seem to vanish into thin air with absolutely zero notification.

When a moderator takes action is it too much to ask that a notification and reason be given?

It also appears the Jew Haters are Atheists thread was deleted as well? Acrimonious topic.

Was yours the informative post on what homosexual males are really like the one deleted? Too much information I presume? Was it a public service on your part?

Outside of your proclivity you seem like a rather even keeled citizen who does not get out of sorts over any subject? But really, have you thought about the hereafter much? It’s far more fascinating than political or social issues (even though they overlap).

I mean, how does everyone remain so calm? Must be some brain block or survival defense that kicks in?

 

[Queen Titania]

There is supposed to be notification and I believe the moderating staff is working on making that happen. The software is sometimes recalcitrant.

This has been going on for ages - on here there has never been notification nor explanation -

I know of 5 more good posters who will leave here if this does not change 'like yesterday' - it is pure Communism - as well as being completely disrespectful of us all.

 

[PhilFish]

Actions that are reported via the standard process typically receive an automated reply to the person reporting / and or warned. As noted it is imperfect...and the site admin has noted he will be addressing. and mods will by trying to ensure the notices go out each time.

as to the deleting of posts. not sure what actions you wish to see..

a flaming baiting,devolved post invariably ends up in Trash Heap.....which is a sure sign it is on its way out.
or, where it is a complete mess....rife with flaming back and forth...it is summarily deleted (and I speak only for myself presently)

Is there some expectation that all participants are to be notified? that's not happening.

In most cases the reason is given in the text remaining post deletion when one goes to the forum view wherein it resides.

I will try to do better at completing those explanations


If anybody wants to go the route of what's disrespectful and what is not, I'll welcome a discussion on the subject with anyone who takes that up in the broadest sense, including the disrespect at the onset towards persons who voluntarily commit their time to making this a better site...only to have the same actions recur over, and over and over and over and over and over again. If that's the sort of disrespect you want to discuss...i'm game to ddiscuss that too.

 

[Queen Titania]

THIS POST HAS BEEN DELETED BY --------- FOR BAITING ( or whatever )

RULE x y or z


Ditto for a thread.


You don't need special tools -

 

[Jen]

THIS POST HAS BEEN DELETED BY --------- FOR BAITING ( or whatever )

RULE x y or z


Ditto for a thread.


You don't need special tools -

Queen,
While this would be nice, it should be noted that the moderators here aren't paid. And to have to explain in this way each time they take an action would be hugely time consuming. It's easier if the system has a reply that pops up. That pop up isn't available in every case. I have noticed that Phil is very good about coming onto a thread and explaining. He doesn't need to do that. I appreciate that he does.

Most of us know when one of our posts are over the line - or we should know . And it is fine that we send things out there that are on the edge or slightly over that edge. Nothing wrong with trying to make it fly.

But when an action is taken, we are smart enough to know why. No sense feigning outrage when we know better.

On occasion, we might feel that the moderator has overstepped and that we are in the right. I know when that happens to me, I shoot off a message to the mods or to the admin asking about it and I've always gotten a good answer.

All we have to do is be the adults we are while posting here, and it'll all be okay.
Jen

 

[Queen Titania]

Queen,
While this would be nice, it should be noted that the moderators here aren't paid. And to have to explain in this way each time they take an action would be hugely time consuming. It's easier if the system has a reply that pops up. That pop up isn't available in every case. I have noticed that Phil is very good about coming onto a thread and explaining. He doesn't need to do that. I appreciate that he does.

Most of us know when one of our posts are over the line - or we should know . And it is fine that we send things out there that are on the edge or slightly over that edge. Nothing wrong with trying to make it fly.

But when an action is taken, we are smart enough to know why. No sense feigning outrage when we know better.

On occasion, we might feel that the moderator has overstepped and that we are in the right. I know when that happens to me, I shoot off a message to the mods or to the admin asking about it and I've always gotten a good answer.

All we have to do is be the adults we are while posting here, and it'll all be okay.
Jen

We are not talking about posts at the moment jen - Threads, whole long threads are disappearing - that is censorship.

I don't care if a person is or is not paid, that is their bag, not mine.

I never thought we should have had mods full stop -We didn't try hard enough in the first place to find another way but past is past. It has failed since we are fewer and fewer and fewer -

Another way could be found but no as usual bad is heaped upon bad -

 

[Boltlady]

Queen,
While this would be nice, it should be noted that the moderators here aren't paid. And to have to explain in this way each time they take an action would be hugely time consuming. It's easier if the system has a reply that pops up. That pop up isn't available in every case. I have noticed that Phil is very good about coming onto a thread and explaining. He doesn't need to do that. I appreciate that he does.

Most of us know when one of our posts are over the line - or we should know . And it is fine that we send things out there that are on the edge or slightly over that edge. Nothing wrong with trying to make it fly.

But when an action is taken, we are smart enough to know why. No sense feigning outrage when we know better.

On occasion, we might feel that the moderator has overstepped and that we are in the right. I know when that happens to me, I shoot off a message to the mods or to the admin asking about it and I've always gotten a good answer.

All we have to do is be the adults we are while posting here, and it'll all be okay.
Jen

While all that sounds well and good, the other morning I was in a discussion with someone that was calm with no flames, and while I was preparing a response to the thread that had already had 243 responses, poof it was gone. With no removal to 'Controversial' or 'Trash' or any explanation whatsoever, I considered it someone's whim. A childish one at that.

The thread had gone on for a couple of days and if there were 'problems' with it there had been plenty of time for any changes. I found it pretty disgusting.

 

[Jen]

While all that sounds well and good, the other morning I was in a discussion with someone that was calm with no flames, and while I was preparing a response to the thread that had already had 243 responses, poof it was gone. With no removal to 'Controversial' or 'Trash' or any explanation whatsoever, I considered it someone's whim. A childish one at that.

The thread had gone on for a couple of days and if there were 'problems' with it there had been plenty of time for any changes. I found it pretty disgusting.

and that is the exact time to shoot off an inquiry to the moderators and admin as to why that happened. On something like that an answer is deserved.

If the thread is long and has lasted, the least the moderators should do is put it into Trash or Controversial and lock it with explanation. Sometimes their emotions get the best of them and they do full delete. Of course that's not right.

 

[Boltlady]

and that is the exact time to shoot off an inquiry to the moderators and admin as to why that happened. On something like that an answer is deserved.

If the thread is long and has lasted, the least the moderators should do is put it into Trash or Controversial and lock it with explanation. Sometimes their emotions get the best of them and they do full delete. Of course that's not right.

Frankly I was too angry to approach them about it. I was debating whether to just go elsewhere or not. Since I've been here, I've seen almost every rule broken, sometimes many times, and those threads stay up. Some of that has been very recent but I don't run to 'momma' with everything I don't like. I either don't post in a thread I don't care for, or don't respond to a poster that I feel is way over the line, or I find a way to display my displeasure, generally without flames. You should know by now that I am not exactly a 'name caller'.

What I will do on occasion is speak in a generality that the offending poster can recognize themselves in. That should put the ball in their court and not be breaking any rules.

 

[Jen]

Frankly I was too angry to approach them about it. I was debating whether to just go elsewhere or not. Since I've been here, I've seen almost every rule broken, sometimes many times, and those threads stay up. Some of that has been very recent but I don't run to 'momma' with everything I don't like. I either don't post in a thread I don't care for, or don't respond to a poster that I feel is way over the line, or I find a way to display my displeasure, generally without flames. You should know by now that I am not exactly a 'name caller'.

What I will do on occasion is speak in a generality that the offending poster can recognize themselves in. That should put the ball in their court and not be breaking any rules.

I have never seen you be offensive.
But I've taken a look at many other boards and this one is as good or better than any of them.
The moderators depend on our eyes. They aren't paid and cannot possibly see everything. We have to let them know when a rule may have been broken and while I don't spend my time here looking for rule breaks, if I see one I'll turn it in to let them decide what to do about it. We can help them out by doing that. It's not "running to momma" it's just helping.

We all know our moderators. They are conscientious people and I believe they are doing their best.

 

[Jen]

We are not talking about posts at the moment jen - Threads, whole long threads are disappearing - that is censorship.

I don't care if a person is or is not paid, that is their bag, not mine.

I never thought we should have had mods full stop -We didn't try hard enough in the first place to find another way but past is past. It has failed since we are fewer and fewer and fewer -

Another way could be found but no as usual bad is heaped upon bad -

When you see that a full thread has been deleted and as far as you know there's no reason............... write them in conversation and ask about it.

For a thread to be just deleted rather than locked and moved to Trash Heap there should be a good reason. I have seen a few threads that should not even stay here locked. It's rare, but it happens. Sometimes just a post from that thread (a pornographic image or something) can be removed. But if it's the top post, the whole thread goes with that post ..........if the post isn't caught before it gets a thread. Pornography and personally threatening top posts are the only kinds of posts I can think of that need to just go. But there may be others.

If you think that a moderator let his/her emotions get in the way, write, include them all, and ask about it. You deserve an answer.

 

[Queen Titania]

When you see that a full thread has been deleted and as far as you know there's no reason............... write them in conversation and ask about it.

For a thread to be just deleted rather than locked and moved to Trash Heap there should be a good reason. I have seen a few threads that should not even stay here locked. It's rare, but it happens. Sometimes just a post from that thread (a pornographic image or something) can be removed. But if it's the top post, the whole thread goes with that post ..........if the post isn't caught before it gets a thread. Pornography and personally threatening top posts are the only kinds of posts I can think of that need to just go. But there may be others.

If you think that a moderator let his/her emotions get in the way, write, include them all, and ask about it. You deserve an answer.

No jen, it doesn't interest me to get into private conversations with Mods or Admin - they never get anywhere anyway in my experience.
We all post here we should all know the odds - What is the point in posting anything if, on a whim someone who doesn't like the topic or the way a conversation is going can just zap it? What is the point in posting here at all if ones words and or thoughts or those of another - and or others might just vanish?

'The difference' is why we come here surely?

 

[PhilFish]

No jen, it doesn't interest me to get into private conversations with Mods or Admin - they never get anywhere anyway in my experience.
We all post here we should all know the odds - What is the point in posting anything if, on a whim someone who doesn't like the topic or the way a conversation is going can just zap it? What is the point in posting here at all if ones words and or thoughts or those of another - and or others might just vanish?

'The difference' is why we come here surely?

Insults, flaming, threats, offensive language, etc are most times edited away, or the individual post removed.

When the post has a majority of posts in it that are offensive, or simply a back an forth of trading insults and vitriol the thread is closed...

Where a post is viewed as being solely for bait, or has degenerated too much it is removed.

In some instances theyre discussed, and in all of these cases it is an imperfect system. some posts are overlooked, some may be felt to have been too heavy handed, and so forth.

as SW says often, there are only so many mods to go around.

You are welcome to submit yourself for consideration to become a mod...send SW a message.

you seem to have a handle of what is or is not censorship. give it a go...

I see that many complain.... but rarely if ever does anyone so doing step up and try it from the other side...

 

[Bernard_Fokke]

Insults, flaming, threats, offensive language, etc are most times edited away, or the individual post removed.

When the post has a majority of posts in it that are offensive, or simply a back an forth of trading insults and vitriol the thread is closed...

Where a post is viewed as being solely for bait, or has degenerated too much it is removed.

In some instances theyre discussed, and in all of these cases it is an imperfect system. some posts are overlooked, some may be felt to have been too heavy handed, and so forth.

as SW says often, there are only so many mods to go around.

You are welcome to submit yourself for consideration to become a mod...send SW a message.

you seem to have a handle of what is or is not censorship. give it a go...

I see that many complain.... but rarely if ever does anyone so doing step up and try it from the other side...

Phil it's the burden of leadership my friend...(Those darn dots again) Better you than me.

 

[Queen Titania]

Insults, flaming, threats, offensive language, etc are most times edited away, or the individual post removed.

When the post has a majority of posts in it that are offensive, or simply a back an forth of trading insults and vitriol the thread is closed...

Where a post is viewed as being solely for bait, or has degenerated too much it is removed.

In some instances theyre discussed, and in all of these cases it is an imperfect system. some posts are overlooked, some may be felt to have been too heavy handed, and so forth.

as SW says often, there are only so many mods to go around.

You are welcome to submit yourself for consideration to become a mod...send SW a message.

you seem to have a handle of what is or is not censorship. give it a go...

I see that many complain.... but rarely if ever does anyone so doing step up and try it from the other side...

Why have whole threads disappeared?

I was agin us moderating ourselves in the first place so why on earth would I want to be a part of what I don't agree with Phil?

And now you are saying that though I and or we do post here because I and or we don't want to be a moderator (s) I or we have no right to say anything about peoples discussions disappearing? Whole discussions? Not any of the above broken 'rules'. Disappeared because some one who is a moderator does not like what was being said even though what was being said did not break any rules.

We come here for free discussion -

 

[PhilFish]

Why have whole threads disappeared?

I was agin us moderating ourselves in the first place so why on earth would I want to be a part of what I don't agree with Phil?

And now you are saying that though I and or we do post here because I and or we don't want to be a moderator (s) I or we have no right to say anything about peoples discussions disappearing? Whole discussions? Not any of the above broken 'rules'. Disappeared because some one who is a moderator does not like what was being said even though what was being said did not break any rules.

We come here for free discussion -

no I didn't say that you or anyone else don't have a right to say things... I said no such thing at all.

 

[Queen Titania]

no I didn't say that you or anyone else don't have a right to say things... I said no such thing at all.

Insinuated -