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Things that require valid ID

Wrong for most of them

Factually wrong, We've been throught this list so many times it is tiresome. Very few of those LEGALLY require Id.

Many have commercial contracts that ASK for ID but it is not LEGALLY REQUIRED. See my next detailed post....*
 
NCM tried to make that "visit a hospital you have to show ID" claim, Leilani......guess what I did?


I ACTUALLY CALLED the two major hospitals in his home county and ASKED them if that was true.

Now guess what they said????


Basic fact is...your Party is losing demographically...and voter suppression is their main means of survival now.
 
What did you just call me?

LOL!
degsme said:
Wrong for most of them

Factually wrong, We've been throught this list so many times it is tiresome. Very few of those LEGALLY require Id.

Many have commercial contracts that ASK for ID but it is not LEGALLY REQUIRED. See my next detailed post....
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Heck...I've had photo ID for almost my entire life. First with a passport (as a child), then school IDs, Driver's License, etc.

It's the usual BS from the left when they try to cry requiring such a thing is racist.

Apparently none of them ever travel, drive, buy cold meds, etc.....

DefeatObama said:
let's just cut to the chase.... statists are either too <img src=images/smilies/animated/censored.gif>ing stupid or too <img src=images/smilies/animated/censored.gif>ing lazy to, in a 4 year time frame, procure a government ID at the government's expense.

which of course makes me a racist
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  • Driving is a specific, licensed activity. It is not a fundamental right. and the intrusion on liberty of requiring a license is demostrably based in Life Safety. No evidence has been presented that PHOTO Id addresses misrepresentative voting fraud in ways that other less restrictive methods do not
  • Boarding an Airplane does not actually LEGALLY REQUIRE Photo ID. Rather that is the result of CONTRACT between you and the carrier
  • Doctor's visit requires ZERO id. that's what EMTALA is all about
  • Applying for a job has NO LEGAL ID requirement. My current job I have not presented ID.
  • Pharmacy - does not require ID. COMMERCE in certain Narcotics does. but rememer The Constitution Explicitly permits Commerce regulation. Voting is a FUNDAMENTAL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT
  • Bank Transactions do not LEGALLY REQUiRE ID. I do a lot of my bank transactions without one. The ONLY ID LEGALLY REQUIRED is your SS# in opening an account
  • School Applications do not LEGALLY REQUIRE PHOTO ID
  • Store Credit Applications do not LEGALLY REQUIRE any Id much less photo id. The CONTRACTOR may ask for it but there is no legal requirement
  • Estabilishing a Utilities Accout does not LEGALLY REQUIRE any ID much less photo id
  • Purchasing a car does not Legally Require ANY ID... I just sold a car. I know.
  • Car Registration does not LEGALLY REQUIRE any ID much less PHOTO ID.
  • Outpatient Testing does not REQUIRE ANY ID see EMTALA
  • Medicare/Medicaid does not Legally Require any ID, much less photo ID. Contractually a provider may ASK for ID but it is not required
  • Opening an IRA only requires Social Security Card and NO PHOTO ID
  • Voting in a Union has no LEGAL REQUIRMENT to have any ID much less PhotoID. The Union may CONTRACTUALLY ask for one but that is different
  • Blood Donation does not Legally require ID
  • Buying a Firearm does not LEGALLY REQUIRE ID, much less photo ID. That's what was at the heart of Fast and Furious - Private gun sales have NO RESTRICTIONS
  • Social Security Services require a Social Security Card BUT NO PHOTO ID
  • Pawn Shops do NOT LEGALLY REQUIRE ANY ID
  • Writing a check does notLEGALLY REQUIRE any sort of ID. The person recieving the check may ask for it as a condition of accepting the check but that is not a LEGAL requirement
  • Using a Credit card Does not LEGALLY RQUIRE any sort of ID see writing a check
  • Buying Car Insurance does not LEGALLY REQUIRE Any sort of ID.
  • Buying Train Tickets does not LEGALLY REQUIRE any id
  • Buying an Amusement park Ticket Does not LEGALLY REQUIRE any id. Some parks may CONTRACTUALLY ask for one, but thats CONTRACTING not LEGAL REQUIREMENT
  • There is no LEGAL REQUIREMENT for ID of any sort to volunterr at "Non prophet" [sic!!!] Orgs
  • There IS NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT for ID to check out a library book, And any ID that may be CONTRACTUALLY required is not PHOTO ID
  • SOME Professional Licensing has an ID requirement. But Licensing is not a fundamental exercise of rights voting is
  • Buying a house does not LEGALLY REQUIRE Any sort of ID.
  • Renting an apartment does not LEGALLY REQUIRE any sort of id. CONTRACTUALLY the lessor may ask for one but that's not a LEGAL REQUIREMENT
  • Buying Cigarettes of Liquor DOES NOT LEGALLY REQUIRE any sort of ID. The Vendor may CONTRACTUALLY seek a way to verify your age, but that is a CONTRACTUAL issue


Are you really SO IGNORANT as to not understand the difference between CONTRACTUAL REQUEST and a LEGAL REQUIREMENT?

Are you really SO IGNORANT of your rights and basic civics that you do not understand the difference between CONTRACTING and EXERCISING A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT?


What mkes the PHOTO ID requirement racist is that it is INTENTIONALLY INTENDED to reduce the voting proportion of minorities. That is indisputable.
And there is NO Voter Fraud that it actually addresses BETTER than just requiring a signature.
 
ITALIA said:
Define valid ID. How many of these are protected rights in the constitution?
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None are fundamental rights.

and FACTUALLY only TWO LEGALLY require any sort of Photo ID.

The rest have NO LEGAL requirement. That's the part that Leilani is ignorant of.
 
LeilaniMP said:
Heck...I've had photo ID for almost my entire life.
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So what?

Many of the poor do not.
Many poor minorities do not.

And you cannot point to a specific type of Voter Fraud that PHOTO ID controls more effectively than simply requiring a signature.
 
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degsme said:
  • driving is a specific, licensed activity. It is not a fundamental right. And the intrusion on liberty of requiring a license is demostrably based in life safety. No evidence has been presented that photo id addresses misrepresentative voting fraud in ways that other less restrictive methods do not
  • boarding an airplane does not actually legally require photo id. Rather that is the result of contract between you and the carrier
  • doctor's visit requires zero id. That's what emtala is all about
  • applying for a job has no legal id requirement. My current job i have not presented id.
  • pharmacy - does not require id. Commerce in certain narcotics does. But rememer the constitution explicitly permits commerce regulation. Voting is a fundamental constitutional right
  • bank transactions do not legally require id. I do a lot of my bank transactions without one. The only id legally required is your ss# in opening an account
  • school applications do not legally require photo id
  • store credit applications do not legally require any id much less photo id. The contractor may ask for it but there is no legal requirement
  • estabilishing a utilities accout does not legally require any id much less photo id
  • purchasing a car does not legally require any id... I just sold a car. I know.
  • car registration does not legally require any id much less photo id.
  • outpatient testing does not require any id see emtala
  • medicare/medicaid does not legally require any id, much less photo id. Contractually a provider may ask for id but it is not required
  • opening an ira only requires social security card and no photo id
  • voting in a union has no legal requirment to have any id much less photoid. The union may contractually ask for one but that is different
  • blood donation does not legally require id
  • buying a firearm does not legally require id, much less photo id. That's what was at the heart of fast and furious - private gun sales have no restrictions
  • social security services require a social security card but no photo id
  • pawn shops do not legally require any id
  • writing a check does notlegally require any sort of id. The person recieving the check may ask for it as a condition of accepting the check but that is not a legal requirement
  • using a credit card does not legally rquire any sort of id see writing a check
  • buying car insurance does not legally require any sort of id.
  • buying train tickets does not legally require any id
  • buying an amusement park ticket does not legally require any id. Some parks may contractually ask for one, but thats contracting not legal requirement
  • there is no legal requirement for id of any sort to volunterr at "non prophet" [sic!!!] orgs
  • there is no legal requirement for id to check out a library book, and any id that may be contractually required is not photo id
  • some professional licensing has an id requirement. But licensing is not a fundamental exercise of rights voting is
  • buying a house does not legally require any sort of id.
  • renting an apartment does not legally require any sort of id. Contractually the lessor may ask for one but that's not a legal requirement
  • buying cigarettes of liquor does not legally require any sort of id. The vendor may contractually seek a way to verify your age, but that is a contractual issue


are you really so ignorant as to not understand the difference between contractual request and a legal requirement?

are you really so ignorant of your rights and basic civics that you do not understand the difference between contracting and exercising a fundamental right?


What mkes the photo id requirement racist is that it is intentionally intended to reduce the voting proportion of minorities. That is indisputable.
And there is no voter fraud that it actually addresses better than just requiring a signature.
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degsme said:
You have a choice WHAT airline ticket to buy. I can buy an airline ticket today that has no ID requirement. So can you. It just costs more.
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Which one would that be Degs? Thats like saying there is a tax break for sending jobs overseas...just wrong All Federal regulations require that all airline employees advise that valid identification is required.
 
Drumcollie said:
Which one would that be Degs? Thats like saying there is a tax break for sending jobs overseas...just wrong All Federal regulations require that all airline employees advise that valid identification is required.
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Nope. Just for starters, I can hop on a charter prop plane in Snohomish Field, fly to SeaTac and get on board a jet never having shown ID.

But also Net Jet, Flex Jet, Sentient Jet are but 3 airlines I can buy tickets on without any need for ID.

Yes they are expensive. So? you cannot buy your way around a LEGAL REQUIREMENT.
 
For the first 80% of my life, the idea that the "guvmint" would force righteous, law abidin' citizens to pack a guvmint-approved ID card, was anathema of anathemas to ALL self-respecting "conservatives". In fact, such a prospect, was one of their favorite "librul" boogeymen. "Conservatives" have gone some kinda "Mitt" around all this ID bullshit!

About 10 years ago, my state passed a law requiring ID at the polls. They didn't do much to define "ID" and they didn't require a picture. When I went to the polls, it was pretty obvious that the old gals at "sign in", weren't really into it. Sometimes they'd ask, sometimes they wouldn't. If they did though...I'd purposely flash a University ID card I have, that doesn't have a picture on it. They never had a problem with that....until the last time I voted at the polls. Some nasty bitch told me that card wasn't acceptable and that I needed a photo. She was WRONG...but rather than debate her, I flashed her my PADI card. That one has a photo on it - complete with mask and snorkel. That REALLY pissed her off! Call me a pissant in my old age, but since I knew this was the last time I was going to be voting in person (we were switching to all mail-in), I pulled out my driver's license and let that be that.
 
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