This is what SOME people just throw away.....
- Thread starter Caroljo
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Constitutional Sheepdog
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I see nothing to disagree with good thread.
NightSwimmer
Senator
Some would like to make abortion illegal again. Some aren't so sure.
How could someone even consider abortion when you see something like this?
All Fetus's, and all (what some want to call) Zygots......become THIS! This a a child.....a human being. This did not start out as an Acorn.
This is a child....a gift from God. How could you not love this?
They don't "become" this. They ARE this, from the second that they're alive at conception. Folks who claim that it's okay to kill them off prior to a particular stage of development should realize that this is what they're okay with killing. Folks who feel it's morally superior to claim that some of these are better off dying before birth need to realize, this is what they're okay with killing off.
All they're really saying is that it's okay to kill them before they reach a stage of development that makes them physically appealing to us.
If a child has to look a certain way, have a certain appearance, before we get all mad about the idea that they're abused or killed, then it's really not about the child at all. It's about us and defending only those children who appeal to us.
NightSwimmer
Senator
Some, on the other hand, only believe that children should be killed after having passed the point of adolescence. When they are no longer "cute & cuddly", then they're on their own.
Constitutional Sheepdog
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Liberal's do some times go off on a shooting rampage schools, movie theaters, malls, hell some times they even go after cops.
Caroljo
Senator
Ya...I see where I didn't word that right...they ARE children as soon as they're conceived. I just wanted to point out where people say they're only fetus's, or zygots, until they're actually born. It is a human being in development...
One person in particular here tries to compare this with an ACORN! An acorn will not develop on it's own, it has to be planted. A child is already "planted" and growing....
NightSwimmer
Senator
Heh... Republican concern for the sanctity of life.
Begins at conception... Ends at birth.
Begins at conception... Ends at birth.
Caroljo
Senator
Heh... Republican concern for the sanctity of life.
Begins at conception... Ends at birth.
You know that's a lie....
You're right. It is a lie. And there are a couple of lies some folks try to cultivate simultaneously. One is that all prolife people are republicans. Another is that republicans don't care for children. And the third is the fake conclusion drawn from the two lies which is: therefore prolife people can't possibly be prolife if they don't care about the lives of born children and their families.
They're losing badly and they're desperate for some spin or other because the old stuff doesn't work.
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Union_Jack_1972
Guest
How could someone even consider abortion when you see something like this?
All Fetus's, and all (what some want to call) Zygots......become THIS! This a a child.....a human being. This did not start out as an Acorn.
This is a child....a gift from God. How could you not love this?
Caroljo,
As I look at that picture of that beautiful being it does tug at me old heart, but alas we do live in a country that grant us individual freedoms, and even though I personally would not want my daughter to get one, but in the end it is her body and her final choice as long as she is over 18 years of age... ( No one will persuade me to think differently on the age limit so shove it when trying to tell me that is should be for all females no matter what age... )
It's not that you didn't word it right. We get sucked in by their language sometimes.
Yeah, I know, acorns and aliens. Anything to change the subject.
IT would also be your grandchild's body, too. In the garbage disposal, or a dumpster, or a hazmat box. Your grandchild.
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Union_Jack_1972
Guest
I understand that but in the end we live in a society that we have free will and choice, and sometimes our children will make choices that I will disagree with, but must accept because in the end I can not force her to carry that child...
I also support medical abortion because if a woman life is at risk and the child has no way of surviving in this world or will be damaged to the point that it will be a drain on society then yes the woman should have the option to abort if that is her choice...
All we can do is raise our children as best as we can and pray we have raised them with the morals that waiting to have children with the right one is the best option but in the end some of use will fail and the child will go down a path that you and I would never take...
So as you prepare another response please know I have thought long and hard about choices like this and feel in the end our children must burden reality of their choice in life no matter if I object or support it, and that is what happen when you live in a free society that gives you choices in life...
Free will sucks at time...
Caroljo
Senator
Yes, I agree that it is the woman's body (if 18 or over) and it's their choice. I would never disown my daughter if she decided to have an abortion (but I also know that would never happen!). But I've taught my children to value life, and I know that the ONLY reason my daughter would have an abortion if it was life or death for her.
About a year ago my DIL had a miscarriage, she was only about 6 wks along....we were all heartbroken.
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Union_Jack_1972
Guest
Sad to read that and hope one day she will bring into the world a beautiful grandchild for you...
I agree that our kids will do things we object to. And we'll still love them, and they'll still be our family. That part I get.
But we don't live in a free society when someone else gets to decide whether we live or die, or when someone else gets to decide who is too much of a burden on society to live. It seems to me that some people in our society are free, and others, because of their size or medical condition or age, are at our mercy. They don't have the freedoms we celebrate. Opposing abortion isn't about taking away rights and freedoms. It's about hoping to ensure that everyone maintains their right to life and their freedom to live their entire lives.
Sorry for your heartache, Caroljo. It's such painful thing and very hard to explain. Last summer my nephew and his wife lost a baby at 31 weeks. She was going to be the first girl in our family since me....50 years ago. She was delivered on my birthday. Sometimes people mean well and they say just try again. But it just doesn't work that way.
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Union_Jack_1972
Guest
Again it is the choice of the individual to make and even if I object it is not my choice if the woman should be allow or denied access to using the abortion option...
If your daughter got pregnant and the baby was going to kill her if she carried it to term and the baby may not live either would you deny her the right to abort the child?
What's the medical condition my daughter has that is threatening her life wherein her death can only be averted by abortion?
Unborn children don't kill their mothers. Illnesses and other medical conditions kill mothers. Some of those conditions occur only in pregnancy. But nowhere is abortion the thing that fixes the medical condition that threatens the life of the mother.
And Jack, we didn't kill 56 million unborn children in this country alone, just to save the lives of mothers.
