Wulk
Mayor
It's an interactive analysis on each State in the US - do you agree with the verdicts?
http://thecrux.com/interactive-freedom-map/
http://thecrux.com/interactive-freedom-map/
This might interest you
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drivebyheckler
Mayor
Fascinating map. I submit to you that clearly it will come down to one's definition of freedom.
Take Florida, for example. Feral anti-gun extremists would tell you that Floridians are free to stalk and kill young black men. As with most concepts liberals forward, it simply doesn't stand up to reality. I think one will find that liberals use the same "exception becomes the rule" card. So the free to talk meme is in reality free to exercise one's Second Amendment rights. That assertion is backed up with the FACTS: facts like the vast majority of gun owners are law-abiding, the vast majority of guns are never, EVER used in crimes. And the FACT that George Zimmerman was ACQUITTED of murdering Thugvon Martin? Well, that pretty much KILLS the liberal meme.
I have noticed something related to this. And though it's a bit tangential, I think it's related. Ever notice how in certain commercials, quite often insurance commercials, a blurb across the screen will say something like, "not available in....", usually followed by the name of a liberal state. Anecdotal? Sure. But ties right in with the premise of your map? Absolutely.
At any rate, I would probably agree with most of the map, based on an initial look. And having grown up in, lived in and worked in a family business for over 30 years in California, I know just how oppressive California can be. And things will only get worse there, especially as the financial weight of the $67 billion high speed rail project crushes the residents.
Oh and I would also add that liberals will whine and squeal about gay marriage. First off, I don't think government should even be in the business of marriage at all. People should be able to marry whomever they want, and however many they want. Ask most liberals, their openmindedness on marriage ends at gay marriage, and their rabid intolerance begins at polygamy- likely because it's tied to a Judeo-Christian religion. But I digress...
Liberals would point to opposition to gay marriage in conservative states as a huge loss of freedom. I would argue that with such a minute percentage of the population being gay, it's a minute loss of freedom in the aggregate. However, telling all but convicted criminals they can protect themselves from violent thugs, that's a freedom virtually everyone can enjoy.
Z
zzigzzag
Guest
I had to laugh at GA being one of the "freest" states. I don't drive after dark around here unless I have to because I don't like getting pulled over and searched.
The source would explain a "like" from Stan.
Since 1985, George Mason University (GMU), and its associated institutes and centers, has received more funding from the Koch Family Charitable Foundations than any other organization–a total of $29,604,354. The George Mason University Foundation has received the most funding, $20,297,143, while the Institute for Humane Studies has been directly given $3,111,457, the Mercatus Center $1,442,000, and George Mason University itself has received $4,753,754.
"Study" dismissed.
NightSwimmer
Senator
The real CRUX is far more interesting than is this cheap knock-off. What it lacks in fringe political ideology, it more than makes up for in unbiased reporting of actual information.
Bo-4
Senator
Bo-4
Senator
drivebyheckler
Mayor
Ah, another tell from Ziggy. I drive around in all kinds of neighborhoods, have never been pulled over and searched. Well, that's not exactly true. That did happen to me when I was a punky 21 year old.
So really, the question is: how is it you are presenting yourself that you are, or fear being, pulled over and searched? We know your attitude is shit. We know your judgment is shit. We know you're in a menial job. Now you've revealed that you attract the attention of the police. Perhaps you need to give a lot of consideration as to where your judgment is taking you in life.
I submit to you that being stuck in a menial job where your co-workers are on welfare, and present yourself in such a way as to attract the attention of police are signs you need to make some changes.
Good luck, it appears you need it desperately. Oh and Ziggy, I can see why you have me on ignore. It's gotta suck having your tells highlighted and pointed right back at you. Admitting you attract the attention of police says a LOT about how you present yourself. I hope some day you realize that, and do some things to change your life, instead of doing like your Dear Leader Obama does and simply blame your problems on everyone else.
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drivebyheckler
Mayor
Not in the slightest.. it's a RW interpretation of what freedom is. Total bunk.
So how does your interpretation differ? So far, all you and the other clowns have done is whine and squeal about the Koch brothers. What's missing is a substantive argument.
I have mentioned two aspects of freedom up for debate. Do you and poor Ziggy the menial job holder who attracts police attention have any substance to offer?
drivebyheckler
Mayor
Wow, three liberals, and consistently all we have gotten is whining and squealing, ZERO substance. What a shock, I tell ya!
But hey, at least you and Bo deserve credit for not letting the board know you attract police attention when you're out and about. Poor Ziggy.
Bo-4
Senator
Most if not all of the top 10 states are shutting down abortion clinics left and right with bogus TRAP laws and clowning around with one voter suppression law after the next. You call that freedom? Fine with me. I call it Fascism.
Btw.. i got this pop up box my second time in. Typical Koch blather.
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I believe a freer world is a better world.
The free market converts private self-interest into public good.
YES NO
The free market converts private self-interest into public good.
YES NO
drivebyheckler
Mayor
I see. So on your planet, the number of abortion clinics available is directly tied to freedom. And yes, "voter supression" (wink wink). Of course, what that means is you're pissed off that states are closing avenues to commit voter fraud.
But back to your abortion canard. So... it's important to you that a state allow abortions beyond 5 months, and have a certain number of abortion mills available to kill babies. That's an important aspect of freedom to you? 5 months isn't long enough? "Freedom" means going to what exactly... 6, 7, 8, 9 months?
Bo-4
Senator
Yes, access to constitutionally protected reproductive rights certainly qualifies as freedom in my world.
I'm opposed to abortions after 4 months, but speaking of canards .. when there are no clinics then women can't even get one at one or two months.
There is not such thing as widespread voter fraud. The 5 year Bush study proved it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Is this all you have today Stan -- misogyny nd straw men?
drivebyheckler
Mayor
Yes, access to constitutionally protected reproductive rights certainly qualifies as freedom in my world.
I'm opposed to abortions after 4 months, but speaking of canards .. when there are no clinics then women can't even get one at one or two months.
There is not such thing as widespread voter fraud. The 5 year Bush study proved it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Is this all you have today Stan -- misogyny nd straw men?
Nonsense. Planned Parenthood has 46 centers in Texas, with at least 10 providing abortion services or referrals to abortion services. You should quit drinking the koolaid and get the FACTS:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-center/findCenter.asp?s=TX&p=0&o=1&c=0
The Bush study, what a joke. There are plenty of examples of all kinds of voter fraud. Your attempt to say one silly study debunks them all is laughable.
Bo-4
Senator
Read up Gomer.. the last of the rural clinics is GONE.
http://billmoyers.com/2014/03/09/the-last-rural-abortion-clinics-in-texas-just-shut-down/
So, a study that WANTED to find evidence of widespread voter fraud, spent tens of millions over FIVE years and found little to nothing was a joke?
Only in your world.
drivebyheckler
Mayor
Read up Gomer.. the last of the rural clinics is GONE.
http://billmoyers.com/2014/03/09/the-last-rural-abortion-clinics-in-texas-just-shut-down/
So, a study that WANTED to find evidence of widespread voter fraud, spent tens of millions over FIVE years and found little to nothing was a joke?
Only in your world.
Bo, there's a lot of things you can't get in rural areas. So what?
Oh and now you've moved the bar to give lots of wiggle room. Now it's "widespread" voter fraud you care about. I have a feeling "widespread" will always mean at least a little more than the examples would show, right?
Bo-4
Senator
Bo, there's a lot of things you can't get in rural areas. So what?
Oh and now you've moved the bar to give lots of wiggle room. Now it's "widespread" voter fraud you care about. I have a feeling "widespread" will always mean at least a little more than the examples would show, right?
It's places an undue hardship on rural women. So what? Face it Stan, you don't give a rat's ass about women.
Read the Bush study. The numbers speak for themselves.
drivebyheckler
Mayor
Huh? Having to go into town to get things, among them, abortion, is an undue hardship? Wow, how often do women get abortions that driving into town is an "undue hardship".
Face it Bo, you don't give a rat's ass about men or women. You want as many of them killed before they are born as possible- especially "dirty Mexican" ones and black ones.
I've read your Bush study before. Unfortunately for you, there are also numerous examples of voter fraud and related scams. You know, like ACORN? Remember how you said they were never convicted as an organization? Wow, that didn't go so well, did it?
Bo-4
Senator
Huh? Having to go into town to get things, among them, abortion, is an undue hardship? Wow, how often do women get abortions that driving into town is an "undue hardship".
Face it Bo, you don't give a rat's ass about men or women. You want as many of them killed before they are born as possible- especially "dirty Mexican" ones and black ones.
I've read your Bush study before. Unfortunately for you, there are also numerous examples of voter fraud and related scams. You know, like ACORN? Remember how you said they were never convicted as an organization? Wow, that didn't go so well, did it?
Dude you're something completely different
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-atlas/acorn-vindicated-of-wrong_b_612265.html
drivebyheckler
Mayor
Dude you're something completely different
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-atlas/acorn-vindicated-of-wrong_b_612265.html
Yeah, I saw that. One vindication, numerous convictions. Nice try Bo, we've already been down this road.
Bo-4
Senator
Convictions of a FEW individuals within the organization. Nice try, but not the organization as a whole.
