Time to move on............

[Jen]

(opinion piece)

Romney lost. There were reasons that that happened, but the only people who need to dissect the reasons are those who might be running for President in 2016. That's not us, so let's move on to the future.

Time to start with a fresh slate and actually give Obama the chance to make that CHANGE he promised. We are far enough removed from the Bush years that the next four years are Obama's and Obama's alone.

I hope that the Republican House works with him to come to some actual solutions.

I hope that the Democratic Senate doesn't throw every single thing that the House gives them into the trash

I hope that Congress (House and Senate) actually get a real budget for a change.

And I hope that we see an actual plan put forth to help get us out of economic trouble.

I am washing my complaints against Obama right out of my hair (metaphorically speaking) and giving him a do-over.

I make mistakes so I am allowing that Benghazi, as terrible as it was, was just a bunch of human errors, and that the administration will learn from it and not allow it to happen again.

What I will not do is give the Obama administration a pass for future huge errors about things they should have learned to do right this past 4 years. But I will give it (the administration) that fresh start that I would have expected everyone to give Mitt Romney had he won.

My hope is that all of us can move on. I am not watching any News TV that harps on the election. I'm done.

Congratulations President Obama
Congratulations Democrats
I hope the next 4 years are better than the last and I trust that they will be.

Jen

 

[gabriel]

you arent off the hook that easy

 

[degsme]

Why are you fixated on The Budget? What matters are the appropriations bills, "the Budget" has no meaningful force of law.


BTW, what "errors" were made in Benghazi? Actual demonstrable errors, not the rantings of a grieving father who has no actual information?

FACTS MATTER Jen.

 

[Mytzlplk]

indeed.

for someone who has recently charged him with allowing the people in Benghazi to die for political gain, it's beyond phony.

Not only that, the usual suspects spewed the same crap when he won in 2008 as well, and subsequently went back to "business as usual" in a matter of days.

All these "I'm gonna be a "big" person" posts from our resident rightwingers are highly amusing if nothing else though

 

[Jen]

My personal belief is irrelevant. I want the powers that be to move on past that. Now.
I've never claimed to be a "big" person nor do I claim it now nor did I post this to pretend I am great. I'm not. Never was. But this country needs to move forward and I will do my part however insignificant it is.

That's all this is.
Very nothing.

indeed.

for someone who has recently charged him with allowing the people in Benghazi to die for political gain, it's beyond phony.

Not only that, the usual suspects spewed the same crap when he won in 2008 as well, and subsequently went back to "business as usual" in a matter of days.

All these "I'm gonna be a "big" person" posts from our resident rightwingers are highly amusing if nothing else though

 

[Mytzlplk]

spare me. You'll be back on the lying rightwing bandwagon before the beginning of next week.

 

[Judy1]

I believe everyone deserves a second chance. I take Jen at her word. We could all use a little coming together for the good of us all, and I think it should apply inside PJ, as well as the the country.

 

[Jen]

I am a conservative and a Republican and I don't plan on changing that, so no matter what I say, you will think I'm "lying", so no doubt you will feel vindicated by next week sometime if not before.

spare me. You'll be back on the lying rightwing bandwagon before the beginning of next week.

 

[degsme]

I am a conservative and a Republican and I don't plan on changing that, so no matter what I say, you will think I'm "lying", so no doubt you will feel vindicated by next week sometime if not before.

:censored:


Yes yes I know... you question the "factual" nature of those - but you have yet to actually support ANY of your claims with actual directly related facts. The closest you come is extrapolated supposition.

 

[PhilFish]

considering many think lying by the right is de rigeur... you've already lost..

 

[Jen]

I can see that, Phil. There's no hope of anything else I guess.

considering many think lying by the right is de rigeur... you've already lost..

 

[Jen]

Thanks Judy.
I am keeping an open mind.
But at the same time I'm still a conservative.

I believe everyone deserves a second chance. I take Jen at her word. We could all use a little coming together for the good of us all, and I think it should apply inside PJ, as well as the the country.

 

[gabriel]

you are seen as a liar because you perpetuate lies like "OBama usually leaves the office by 4pm" and then draw your "opinions" from such lies even when they are refuted.

That is what makes you a liar... a continual perpetuation of things that have been FACTUALLY disproven.


Yes yes I know... you question the "factual" nature of those - but you have yet to actually support ANY of your claims with actual directly related facts. The closest you come is extrapolated supposition.

once again, short , sweet and bang on!!

 

[gabriel]

indeed.

for someone who has recently charged him with allowing the people in Benghazi to die for political gain, it's beyond phony.

Not only that, the usual suspects spewed the same crap when he won in 2008 as well, and subsequently went back to "business as usual" in a matter of days.

All these "I'm gonna be a "big" person" posts from our resident rightwingers are highly amusing if nothing else though

thers another one of them trying the same hilarious crap in another thread here today! unfrickenbelievable.

 

[Judy1]

that's okay dear,some people just can't help themselves ;o)

 

[PhilFish]

do you find this singular lie, that you repeatedly foist as indicative of lies (plural)...to be extrapolative in nature?

 

[Mytzlplk]

I don't and never will.

Imo, things aren't gonna change much individually or collectively until they crash and burn. "Coming together" requires reconciliation and forgiveness, and the latter always carries a price, not the least of which is an acknowledgement of past "sins" so to speak. The odds of them renouncing, much less denouncing, the policies and practices -- not to mention rhetoric as cited -- that they are largely responsible for and that led to the current "separation", simply isn't gonna happen.

Until that happens, we are ALWAYS gonna be just one issue away from your supporting the worst POS to ever disgrace the Oval office. That's the way it has ALWAYS been with people like her. You do what you want, and I'll spare you any persoanally addressed "I told you so" when it happens. I've been making this point for almost ten years now on boards we've shared in response to "bi-partisan" calls for a kumbaya session, and they've ALWAYS proven me right. So exactly why you think this time is any different only you can answer, but in lite of my experiences with them, I'd not characterize my doubt as anything but reasonable, nor can a case be made or sustained that my doubt is anything but reasonable. In that regard, it's similar to though not to be confused with, the abused wife not granting trust to the one that abused them.

It's as unavoidable as raindrops in a Monsoon, because that's the nature of that particular beast, and really in the final anaylsis, the only thing they have to preserve their egos and world view. It is as entrenched in their minds as any Pavlovian conditioning could ever be. So, I'll make "peace" with them if and only if, they abandon the many abominable things they stand for, much of which they supported in their now vanquished candidate.

 

[Mytzlplk]

I don't "think" anything, I "know" when you're lying or taking liberties with the facts, and promoting "opinions" (which you sometimes seem to confuse with facts) that the totality of the known facts simply do not support.

The Benghazi incident and your abominable "opinions" associated with it is but one of countless such examples, Ms. "I think Michelle Obama is a sinister racist".

So of course I'll be vindicated, because you can't help but insure it for those reasons.

 

[Mytzlplk]

I know gabe, like many of us haven't read/seen that crap before, and watched it last all of a few days or so...lol

It's a "well, I once said something that was reasonable, ergo all the lies, etc I'm spreading here now don't count as unreasonable garbage that trumps the lone effort at reasonability" defense.

The idea that you can really care about our mutual "success", and then turn around and lie or repeat lies that only serve to undermine that goal, and with the expectation that your claims to hoping/praying for success remain intact -- sincerity included -- is hogwash only a rightwinger would or could formulate and "believe".

 

[Mytzlplk]

mark..............