Time to REPEAL Obamacare

[reason10]

http://conservativeactionproject.com/the-time-to-repeal-obamacare-is-now/

For the last six years, Americans have endured extraordinary hardship under Obamacare, a thousand-page law of broken promises and failed policies. Sadly, millions of families and individuals have had their insurance plans cancelled and access to their doctors and drugs limited. And they have lacked affordable insurance options. Those Americans who are stuck with Obamacare are facing skyrocketing premiums, soaring deductibles, and shrinking health care networks. Tragically, many of our most vulnerable citizens, who were participating in safety-net health programs long before implementation of Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, must now wait interminably to see overwhelmed health care providers — and some of those people die while they wait.

 

[ObamacareForever]

http://conservativeactionproject.com/the-time-to-repeal-obamacare-is-now/
http://conservativeactionproject.com/the-time-to-repeal-obamacare-is-now/
For the last six years, Americans have endured extraordinary hardship under Obamacare, a thousand-page law of broken promises and failed policies. Sadly, millions of families and individuals have had their insurance plans cancelled and access to their doctors and drugs limited. And they have lacked affordable insurance options. Those Americans who are stuck with Obamacare are facing skyrocketing premiums, soaring deductibles, and shrinking health care networks. Tragically, many of our most vulnerable citizens, who were participating in safety-net health programs long before implementation of Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, must now wait interminably to see overwhelmed health care providers — and some of those people die while they wait.

Extaordinary hardship? Please... they were forced to buy health insurance... Its not a death march.
I am hoping republicans do repeal obamacare, no delays, no caveats. Just repeal it as soon as possible, so they can face the wrath of an angry electorate in 2018 and 2020, and we get rid of the bums.

 

[Dawg]

majority want Ocare gone and Congress started repeal of it Today

 

[Jen]

http://conservativeactionproject.com/the-time-to-repeal-obamacare-is-now/
http://conservativeactionproject.com/the-time-to-repeal-obamacare-is-now/
For the last six years, Americans have endured extraordinary hardship under Obamacare, a thousand-page law of broken promises and failed policies. Sadly, millions of families and individuals have had their insurance plans cancelled and access to their doctors and drugs limited. And they have lacked affordable insurance options. Those Americans who are stuck with Obamacare are facing skyrocketing premiums, soaring deductibles, and shrinking health care networks. Tragically, many of our most vulnerable citizens, who were participating in safety-net health programs long before implementation of Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, must now wait interminably to see overwhelmed health care providers — and some of those people die while they wait.

Unfortunately the GOP allowed it to spread its tentacles and latch on for 6 long years. It won't be easy to repeal it. But something needs to be done as middle America, especially young people, are being gouged and deprived of health care in order to provide for the hordes of non-working Americans and hordes of illegals.

 

[ObamacareForever]

Unfortunately the GOP allowed it to spread its tentacles and latch on for 6 long years. It won't be easy to repeal it. But something needs to be done as middle America, especially young people, are being gouged and deprived of health care in order to provide for the hordes of non-working Americans and hordes of illegals.

This is a new one. I can buy "Young people being gouged" because they do face higher premiums than they should because Obamacare says old people can only pay 3x as much a younger person when old people are more than 3x more likely to get sick.
But "depriving them of healthcare" is completely unfounded. They have health insurance, you can go to a lot of doctors with health insurance.

 

[4/15]

The entire premise of this thread is founded in fallacy. The PPACA is a good start to universal healthcare. My grandchildren pay for their healthcare under the law as do my children. All my relatives in so many states pay and not one of them has a problem paying or with the care received.

 

[Jen]

This is a new one. I can buy "Young people being gouged" because they do face higher premiums than they should because Obamacare says old people can only pay 3x as much a younger person when old people are more than 3x more likely to get sick.
But "depriving them of healthcare" is completely unfounded. They have health insurance, you can go to a lot of doctors with health insurance.

Depriving them of healthcare goes like this. If you are a young person and your premiums are $200 a month that's one thing. But if your deductible is $4000 dollars, that means you have to spend $4000 on medical care before your insurance pays anything at all. So, essentially, as a young person...................... you are spending $200 a month on healthcare plus any.ANY. doctor visits and medications you have to buy during that year. And if you get something that requires a doctor visit - an injury or bronchitis or something...........it's all out of pocket.

And you may have a choice in what program you get into, but if you want a deductible low enough for you to pay it and actually get your insurance to cover your medical care, you're going to be paying $1000 or so a month.

Effectively, young people don't have medical care they can access. Employers are backing away from covering people for that very reason. So, I guess, if young people are unemployed they can get that free stuff that working young people are paying through the nose for. Maybe that was the goal anyway.

 

[ObamacareForever]

Depriving them of healthcare goes like this. If you are a young person and your premiums are $200 a month that's one thing. But if your deductible is $4000 dollars, that means you have to spend $4000 on medical care before your insurance pays anything at all. So, essentially, as a young person...................... you are spending $200 a month on healthcare plus any.ANY. doctor visits and medications you have to buy during that year. And if you get something that requires a doctor visit - an injury or bronchitis or something...........it's all out of pocket.

And you may have a choice in what program you get into, but if you want a deductible low enough for you to pay it and actually get your insurance to cover your medical care, you're going to be paying $1000 or so a month.

Effectively, young people don't have medical care they can access. Employers are backing away from covering people for that very reason. So, I guess, if young people are unemployed they can get that free stuff that working young people are paying through the nose for. Maybe that was the goal anyway.

Picture a world without Obamacare. Young people are still gonna get sick, and when do they still gonna get doctors bills. It doesn't get any cheaper for them if they don't have insurance. It almost always gets more expensive without the sweet sweet negotiated rates insurance companies have with their network of doctors and hospitals.
People without insurance pay less untill they get sick, then they pay more. Oh yea, everyone gets sick.
Employers currently can't back away from employing young people thanks to the employer mandate.
I am young person and I have a high deductible insurance plan. I pay roughly $90 a month in premiums. I have never got anywhere near reaching my deductible. The one time in the past 10 years I have been the emergency room i openned a sliding a window and thought it locked into place, it did not, it fell down and sliced my finger open. I was in the hospital for about 2 hours and required t stitches. I got a bill for about $2000, which was not cheap, without insurance i would have been stuck with a $5000 bill, but the because the insurance company had prenegotiated rates i saved about 60% over what an uninsured person would have paid.
I totally agree about young people not being able to afford healthcare. I just don't see how repealing Obamacare changes that. I would say it exasperates the issue.

 

[Jen]

Picture a world without Obamacare. Young people are still gonna get sick, and when do they still gonna get doctors bills. It doesn't get any cheaper for them if they don't have insurance. It almost always gets more expensive without the sweet sweet negotiated rates insurance companies have with their network of doctors and hospitals.
People without insurance pay less untill they get sick, then they pay more. Oh yea, everyone gets sick.
Employers currently can't back away from employing young people thanks to the employer mandate.
I am young person and I have a high deductible insurance plan. I pay roughly $90 a month in premiums. I have never got anywhere near reaching my deductible. The one time in the past 10 years I have been the emergency room i openned a sliding a window and thought it locked into place, it did not, it fell down and sliced my finger open. I was in the hospital for about 2 hours and required t stitches. I got a bill for about $2000, which was not cheap, without insurance i would have been stuck with a $5000 bill, but the because the insurance company had prenegotiated rates i saved about 60% over what an uninsured person would have paid.
I totally agree about young people not being able to afford healthcare. I just don't see how repealing Obamacare changes that. I would say it exasperates the issue.

The ER was always there.
And imagine if you had had to go to the ER........... twice. At $2000 per time, would you have reached your deductible?

Do you really think that's good?

Your $90 a month will go up. My son's more than doubled the second year. And that deductible......... stays the same or goes up.

But hey..............if you're fine with that, all the jobless schlubs thank you for paying their way.

 

[Caroljo]

The entire premise of this thread is founded in fallacy. The PPACA is a good start to universal healthcare. My grandchildren pay for their healthcare under the law as do my children. All my relatives in so many states pay and not one of them has a problem paying or with the care received.

Good for your friends and relatives. It probably depends too on where you live. I know several people that lost their insurance (that they could afford). A couple were homeowners with a mortgage, 2 and 3 kids, had car payments, a couple charge card payments, then every day living expenses. One family was trying to save for their kids college. When Obamacare was shoved down our throats...it didn't matter that these families had other obligations. The cost of premiums & out of pocket expenses at least tripled! Some expected to pay over $800/month. If they couldn't afford the premiums for their families, they were FINED for it...taking away tax refunds that they depended on. Because there's nothing more important than to pay for the poor & working poor, who get it free (or close to it)...and so many other things free. Our poor, compared to the poor in other countries, live in luxury. Ok....not saying ALL, but very many. I have no problem helping people in need. But there's so many that are not really in 'need'....but in WANT. They want everything given to them.

Obamacare has f'd the middle class. I can't wait for this cluster fk to be changed.

 

[ObamacareForever]

The ER was always there.
And imagine if you had had to go to the ER........... twice. At $2000 per time, would you have reached your deductible?

Do you really think that's good?

Your $90 a month will go up. My son's more than doubled the second year. And that deductible......... stays the same or goes up.

But hey..............if you're fine with that, all the jobless schlubs thank you for paying their way.

I would not have reached my deductible if i had a 2nd trip to the ER that year. That is the policy i chose. I chose low premium-high deductible insurance coupled with an HSA, which I funded to my the level of my deductible. I am not insuring against against a trip to the doctor for a simple cough or me needing 5 stitches. I would not go bankrupt from paying 2 grand to get my finger stitiched up. I am insuring against that $100,000 bill that comes from spending 2 nights in the hosptial with an unknown illness. That $100,000 bill would absolutely bankrupt me, and that's what i am insured against. Its not for everybody, everybody needs to find their own level of coverage, but it works for me.
Is that good? Doctors and hospitals are expensive, and yes, i would rather they be less expensive. I would rather everything cost less, but Obamacare isn't about making doctors less expensive. There is no way to do that in the next decade short of price controls.
I realize that paying for a deductible might stretch a lot of young peoples finances. So do hospitals and they are willing to set up payment plans.
I really hate the name affordable care act. People think affordable means cheap, when affordable in the this context means "its still expensive but you aren't going to have to declare bankruptcy".
To be honest my insurance premiums have been rising. They risen between $3 and $5 a month each year since I have had the policy.
Who are the "Jobless schlubs", medicaid recipients? Medicare recipients? You are going to have to explain to me who the jobless schlubs are and how i am payin for 'em.

 

[Tor-Pete-O]

I would not have reached my deductible if i had a 2nd trip to the ER that year. That is the policy i chose. I chose low premium-high deductible insurance coupled with an HSA, which I funded to my the level of my deductible. I am not insuring against against a trip to the doctor for a simple cough or me needing 5 stitches. I would not go bankrupt from paying 2 grand to get my finger stitiched up. I am insuring against that $100,000 bill that comes from spending 2 nights in the hosptial with an unknown illness. That $100,000 bill would absolutely bankrupt me, and that's what i am insured against. Its not for everybody, everybody needs to find their own level of coverage, but it works for me.
Is that good? Doctors and hospitals are expensive, and yes, i would rather they be less expensive. I would rather everything cost less, but Obamacare isn't about making doctors less expensive. There is no way to do that in the next decade short of price controls.
I realize that paying for a deductible might stretch a lot of young peoples finances. So do hospitals and they are willing to set up payment plans.
I really hate the name affordable care act. People think affordable means cheap, when affordable in the this context means "its still expensive but you aren't going to have to declare bankruptcy".
To be honest my insurance premiums have been rising. They risen between $3 and $5 a month each year since I have had the policy.
Who are the "Jobless schlubs", medicaid recipients? Medicare recipients? You are going to have to explain to me who the jobless schlubs are and how i am payin for 'em.

If you're paying $90 a month you must be getting a subsidy

 

[Emily]

Employers currently can't back away from employing young people thanks to the employer mandate.

Keep the number of employees below 50. Use part-time instead of full-time. Use temps/contractors. Assuming you meant "insuring young people" rather than "employing young people, there are all kinds of ways. Another example of our "elected representatives" representing their big corporate sugar-daddies.

 

[Zam-Zam]

http://conservativeactionproject.com/the-time-to-repeal-obamacare-is-now/
http://conservativeactionproject.com/the-time-to-repeal-obamacare-is-now/
For the last six years, Americans have endured extraordinary hardship under Obamacare, a thousand-page law of broken promises and failed policies. Sadly, millions of families and individuals have had their insurance plans cancelled and access to their doctors and drugs limited. And they have lacked affordable insurance options. Those Americans who are stuck with Obamacare are facing skyrocketing premiums, soaring deductibles, and shrinking health care networks. Tragically, many of our most vulnerable citizens, who were participating in safety-net health programs long before implementation of Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, must now wait interminably to see overwhelmed health care providers — and some of those people die while they wait.

No, it's not time yet.

On January 20th, it will be time.

 

[ObamacareForever]

If you're paying $90 a month you must be getting a subsidy

No subsidy buddy. its an individual policy, high deductible and I am non-smoker. I got in on the individual market before Obamacare and haven't changed it since.

 

[ObamacareForever]

Keep the number of employees below 50. Use part-time instead of full-time. Use temps/contractors. Assuming you meant "insuring young people" rather than "employing young people, there are all kinds of ways. Another example of our "elected representatives" representing their big corporate sugar-daddies.

Yea, that's what i meant.

 

[reason10]

Extaordinary hardship? Please... they were forced to buy health insurance... Its not a death march.

Let's see. MILLIONS of Americans LOSING their company paid health insurance? Yeah, that's a [Unwelcome language removed] HARDSHIP. Poor people who can barely afford to keep gas in the car thanks to Obama's fucked up economic schemes, now forced to either shell out HIGH [Unwelcome language removed] PREMIUMS or get an IRS penalty.

THAT'S A [Unwelcome language removed] TAX ON THE POOR. GODDAM RIGHT IT'S A [Unwelcome language removed] HARDSHIP.

I am hoping republicans do repeal obamacare, no delays, no caveats. Just repeal it as soon as possible, so they can face the wrath of an angry electorate in 2018 and 2020, and we get rid of the bums.

Ever wonder why the Democrats LOST the House in 2010 and the Senate in 2014? It's because AMERICA DOESN'T [Unwelcome language removed] WANT OBAMACARE.

Ever wonder why Donald Trump was elected in a total [Unwelcome language removed] LANDSLIDE both in the Electoral College and the legal popular vote? it's because AMERICA DOESN'T [Unwelcome language removed] WANT OBAMACARE.

If Trump doesn't get rid of it, he'll be a one-term president and the Republican Party will be finished.

 

[reason10]

Unfortunately the GOP allowed it to spread its tentacles and latch on for 6 long years. It won't be easy to repeal it. But something needs to be done as middle America, especially young people, are being gouged and deprived of health care in order to provide for the hordes of non-working Americans and hordes of illegals.

Hence the landslide election of Trump. He was running against the establishment in both parties, the Nazis in the Democrats who forced Obamacare on us and the PUSSIES in the Republicans who couldn't get rid of it.

 

[reason10]

Picture a world without Obamacare.

A lot of people had affordable health insurance. The poorest of the working poor weren't given a TAX INCREASE if they didn't buy some expensive plan they couldn't afford to use.

Young people are still gonna get sick, and when do they still gonna get doctors bills. It doesn't get any cheaper for them if they don't have insurance

Young people didn't buy health insurance. That age group RARELY bought coverage. They had other things to spend their money on. And thanks to Obamacare, HEALTH CARE COSTS HAVE SKYROCKETED.

It almost always gets more expensive without the sweet sweet negotiated rates insurance companies have with their network of doctors and hospitals.

And Obamacare put an END to that. Health care costs are through the roof and deductibles are totally unaffordable. And MILLIONS lost their [Unwelcome language removed] policies.

People without insurance pay less untill they get sick, then they pay more. Oh yea, everyone gets sick.

So now the poor minimum wage worker has to decide on whether or not to buy food or pay the IRS penalty. THANKS OBAMA, FOR ONCE AGAIN [Unwelcome language removed] THE POOR.

I'm done with the rest of this. You just don't know what the [Unwelcome language removed] you're talking about.

 

[ObamacareForever]

Let's see. MILLIONS of Americans LOSING their company paid health insurance? Yeah, that's a [Unwelcome language removed] HARDSHIP. Poor people who can barely afford to keep gas in the car thanks to Obama's fucked up economic schemes, now forced to either shell out HIGH [Unwelcome language removed] PREMIUMS or get an IRS penalty.

THAT'S A [Unwelcome language removed] TAX ON THE POOR. GODDAM RIGHT IT'S A [Unwelcome language removed] HARDSHIP.


Ever wonder why the Democrats LOST the House in 2010 and the Senate in 2014? It's because AMERICA DOESN'T [Unwelcome language removed] WANT OBAMACARE.

Ever wonder why Donald Trump was elected in a total [Unwelcome language removed] LANDSLIDE both in the Electoral College and the legal popular vote? it's because AMERICA DOESN'T [Unwelcome language removed] WANT OBAMACARE.

If Trump doesn't get rid of it, he'll be a one-term president and the Republican Party will be finished.

Still goin on, tellin yourself trump won the popular vote. I got new for ya, no matter how many times you tell yourself something it doesn't make it true.
If you show me a full time employee who lost their insurance and I will show you a company that is getting fined. I am sure of you look hard enough you can find an isolated incident or two.
You are complaining about people losing their coverage when 20 million+ GAINED coverage. The percentage of uninsured is dropping precipitously.
Poor people have a hard time paying for everything, not just insurance. That's what being poor is. But they can go to the doctor and doctors legally have to get them in stable condition. I think doctors legally have to provide service then the poors should legally have to pay for it.