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Trump: I'm losing. So change the Senate rules!

Bugsy McGurk

Bugsy McGurk

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Trump is still lashing out over the ass whuppin' he took on health care.

Now he's on a tweetstorm demanding that the Senate change the 60 vote requirement for passing legislation. Of course, Trump is misleading people, as always - only 50 votes were required for the Senate "reconciliation" votes on the health care bills, but they still got shot down.

Trump is clearly just flailing aimlessly, desperately looking for some way for him to win something - anything.

It's quite amusing.

;-)

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/31/politics/trump-hill-republicans-whats-next/index.html
 
Bugsy McGurk said:
Trump is still lashing out over the ass whuppin' he took on health care.

Now he's on a tweetstorm demanding that the Senate change the 60 vote requirement for passing legislation. Of course, Trump is misleading people, as always - only 50 votes were required for the Senate "reconciliation" votes on the health care bills, but they still got shot down.

Trump is clearly just flailing aimlessly, desperately looking for some way for him to win something - anything.

It's quite amusing.

;-)

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/31/politics/trump-hill-republicans-whats-next/index.html
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Why can't a man, who bragged constantly on the campaign trail about his deal making skill, manage to cobble together a deal with representatives from his own party? Not much evidence of skill in making deals on display so far.
 
I think Trump is correct in what he said about the Republicans.

It's impossible to govern in this day an age if your main goal is not to upset anyone.

Do what you think is best and let the chips fall where they may.

Change the rules, the House this legislative session has sent 250 bills to the Senate, they cannot function under the 60 vote rule, one of the parties is going to do it, may as well do it now.
 
Sickofleft said:
I think Trump is correct in what he said about the Republicans.

It's impossible to govern in this day an age if your main goal is not to upset anyone.

Do what you think is best and let the chips fall where they may.

Change the rules, the House this legislative session has sent 250 bills to the Senate, they cannot function under the 60 vote rule, one of the parties is going to do it, may as well do it now.
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Or the body politic can relearn the fine art of compromise.
 
Sickofleft said:
The fringes of both parties have made that impossible.
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Nonsense. The Dems like to govern to improve the public lot. For example, they would love to work with the ACA to fix the perceived flaws in the ACA. The GOP wants to further sabotage the ACA - they have no interest in compromise.
 
Sickofleft said:
The fringes of both parties have made that impossible.
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It takes skill, time, and finesse. It's not impossible but I agree it appears very difficult. The GOTP took the position that compromise was capitulation, and that viewpoint has become the norm rather than an aberration because it plays well with the base. If a Republican compromises in any way with Democrats, he is quickly branded a RINO; I see it on here frequently. I don't mean to say Democrats are necessarily any better - the Bernie or Bust base of the Democratic Party behaves the same way to Democrats who compromise with Republicans.
 
BobbyT said:
Why can't a man, who bragged constantly on the campaign trail about his deal making skill, manage to cobble together a deal with representatives from his own party? Not much evidence of skill in making deals on display so far.
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You beat me to the punch. His whole selling point was supposed to be his skill with the "art of the deal," but, at this point, he seems actually to hurt the chances of getting anything done.

This is what I do for a living, at this point -- I'm basically a project-based specialist, who is called in to negotiate very large IT and consulting contracts. I'm only responsible for negotiating the legal terms, while business/technical people negotiate those respective terms. But I have visibility to that whole process. And with that background, it comes as no surprise to me that Trump is so bad at negotiating a deal. I've seen his kind again and again, and they're always horrible deal-makers. They are driven by ego and they picture a negotiation as a contest where there's a winner and a loser. Since they're always trying to push the other side into a loss, the other side pushes back, and the whole thing turns into a pissing match, where nothing gets done.

The best negotiators I've seen lack that kind of ego. They know what outcome they want, and if they can get there by making the other side think they "won," all the better. It's all about outcome, not about posturing.

I suppose that's why Trump was such an unsuccessful businessman -- getting about half the return on the money his daddy gave him as any dummy with an index fund would have gotten. His ego probably blew up a lot of potentially good deals along the way.... deals that could have gotten him a respectable return on his investments, or even helped him avoid some of his bankruptcies.

I never thought much of Obama as a negotiator. He acted as if meeting the other side more than half way was a good opening gambit. But as bad as he was, he looks like a master next to the Trump Amateur Hour Show.
 
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Bugsy McGurk said:
Trump is still lashing out over the ass whuppin' he took on health care.

Now he's on a tweetstorm demanding that the Senate change the 60 vote requirement for passing legislation. Of course, Trump is misleading people, as always - only 50 votes were required for the Senate "reconciliation" votes on the health care bills, but they still got shot down.

Trump is clearly just flailing aimlessly, desperately looking for some way for him to win something - anything.

It's quite amusing.

;-)

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/31/politics/trump-hill-republicans-whats-next/index.html
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A week or so ago,he said we need to elect more Republicans. We already tried that. It's not working out too well.
 
Bugsy McGurk said:
Trump is still lashing out over the ass whuppin' he took on health care.

Now he's on a tweetstorm demanding that the Senate change the 60 vote requirement for passing legislation. Of course, Trump is misleading people, as always - only 50 votes were required for the Senate "reconciliation" votes on the health care bills, but they still got shot down.

Trump is clearly just flailing aimlessly, desperately looking for some way for him to win something - anything.

It's quite amusing.

;-)

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/31/politics/trump-hill-republicans-whats-next/index.html
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Like Reid did?
 
BobbyT said:
Why can't a man, who bragged constantly on the campaign trail about his deal making skill, manage to cobble together a deal with representatives from his own party? Not much evidence of skill in making deals on display so far.
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Rhinos
 
BobbyT said:
Why can't a man, who bragged constantly on the campaign trail about his deal making skill, manage to cobble together a deal with representatives from his own party? Not much evidence of skill in making deals on display so far.
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One of the reasons is the entire DNC and half the GOP can't stand him.
 
"Presidenting" is hard especially when you're not a natural leader, but a know-nothing bully like our flim-flam man Trump.

Poor Trumpies. They'd expected that Trump would be able to run the country like a king, but that dreaded Constitution has been getting in Trump's way.
 
BobbyT said:
It takes skill, time, and finesse. It's not impossible but I agree it appears very difficult. The GOTP took the position that compromise was capitulation, and that viewpoint has become the norm rather than an aberration because it plays well with the base. If a Republican compromises in any way with Democrats, he is quickly branded a RINO; I see it on here frequently. I don't mean to say Democrats are necessarily any better - the Bernie or Bust base of the Democratic Party behaves the same way to Democrats who compromise with Republicans.
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He made money in the private sector as a clinically narcissistic, pathologically lying carnival barker type who could get his way through bullying, bluster and bullshit. If someone did not knuckle under he would sic his army of lawyers on them, leaving hordes of stiffed creditors in his wake. That just doesn't work in the presidency. He just doesn't have the tools to get things done. He jumps in his own way.
 
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