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Mayor
Sorry but the tenth amendment says this is a state issue. Legislating on animal cruelty is NOT one of the listed powers of congress.
Trump signs bill making animal cruelty a federal felony
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Winston
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So animal cruelty should be handled differently depending on the state
That's nuts
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Mayor
Why is it nuts?. Each state has their own murder statutes.
afella
Mayor
You are correct. Trump and congress are over stepping their presumed rule of the land.
Plus it's a piss poor law. Just like the red flag laws, its poorly written perhaps intentionally vague to give the government more power.
This could have devastating effects on ranchers and others who raise animals. It will make criminals out of innocent people.
Constitutional Sheepdog
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Where have I heard that before? oh that right when an anti-gunner says they want all assault weapons banned
Winston
Do you feel lucky, Punk
That is nuts too...….……. is life more or less valuable depending on what state you are in?
Nope
Wake up
Winston
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afella
Mayor
Are you saying states should have no rights? Or are you saying the federal government should only wrote laws?
Constitutional Sheepdog
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States have no rights over what they have given the federal government. Such as the second amendment
Why are you moving the goal posts to fit your narrative? Please don’t derail.
IMO, I’m in favor or any legislation that prevents animal cruelty. As long as states have the ability to write in additional laws or harsher penalties, if needed, I’m good. Even if this is a poorly written law to try and get more people on his “side”. State laws won’t supersede the federal law, but specific penalties for specific crimes could still be added, correct?
afella
Mayor
Which is why I said this law should have been left to the states. The fact that trump signed the law shows how much power he wants the federal government to have.
llovejim
Current Champion
funny how you have no problem with the feds being pro-active to protect animals but do with them protecting school kids and concert goers and walmart shoppers using assault weapons with high capacity magazines.
llovejim
Current Champion
you do not believe the federal government has the right to ban animal cruelty within this country?
True, it is not specifically the role of Congress to make sure animals are humanely treated, but what state's constitution clearly addresses that role of government? Name one state that addresses specifically how animals are treated IN THEIR CONSTITUTION....some laws are just so naturally correct and accepted even the Constitution of the US or of any state did not think to specifically mention it...the same way the Constitution of any state does not specifically say you have the right to buy lawn furniture.
here is the closest thing I could find that could justify such a common sense law-
Article I, Section 8:
Section 8.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
it could be argued that the general welfare of the US is best provided when there are laws banning cruelty to animals.
Boltlady
Governor
Somebody needed to do something. While it's been left up to the states an awful lot of animals have been treated in horrendous manners due to the lack of anything substantial being done.
Winston
Do you feel lucky, Punk
You never once read me defend the aholes in the NRA praying to assault weapons
afella
Mayor
You are correct it isnt the role of congress.
I haven't read the law in its entirety, but the significant portions I have read leave a vague interpretation. That means people will be subjected to government negligence and unnecessarily become criminals. I cant get behind that.
I'm not sure how preventing the abuse of animals could be equated to the general welfare of our country. I cant see the correlation.
There are plenty of laws that address abuse and negligence towards animals, some are local and some are state. People pay the price for the abuse all the time.
I have a very hard time equating animals to people, and giving government employees the authority to kill people because of their treatment of animals. But hey I'm a country boy, if that means anything at all.
afella
Mayor
Off topic, but kinda like the ACA right?
Creating a vague law that gives the federal government more power and needlessly creates more criminals in this country isnt a good answer. Its piss poor governance.
Yet some how with no states addressing the issue, though I would argue most have and do, it's a good idea for the federal government to expand its roll even more? I dont see the benefit here.
This law will adversely affect ranchers, farmers and those who eat and produce their own food. It leaves a very vague interpretation of what constitutes animal abuse, quite frankly I dont want some puppy from LA who hasn't ever seen a live chicken telling me how to raise or treat one.
Winston
Do you feel lucky, Punk
In your sick world the second amendment is your pathetic god
Lets fill our prison with animal abusers while people are homeless and kids are malnourished.
And we continue to eat chicken and cow every day...sigh. That's not cruel...
Winston
Do you feel lucky, Punk
The plant killer babbles
