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Trump's Plurality

Arkady

Arkady

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I just thought to check the popular vote count and, interestingly, Trump actually has fewer popular votes than the combined Cruz, Rubio, Kasich total. In fact, if they could pool their popular votes, they'd have him by over 3 million votes. So, Trump is waltzing to nomination in a party where most of the voters don't want him. He was able to clear the field so easily partly because of anti-democratic winner-takes-all changes in the balloting. I'm not sure that'll end up mattering much. I think most conservatives are authoritarians and now that Trump is the authority, they'll align behind him. But it explains why you see so much more attacking of Clinton than you see defense of their own candidate -- they may be stuck with him, but they sure don't like it.
 
Arkady said:
I just thought to check the popular vote count and, interestingly, Trump actually has fewer popular votes than the combined Cruz, Rubio, Kasich total. In fact, if they could pool their popular votes, they'd have him by over 3 million votes. So, Trump is waltzing to nomination in a party where most of the voters don't want him. He was able to clear the field so easily partly because of anti-democratic winner-takes-all changes in the balloting. I'm not sure that'll end up mattering much. I think most conservatives are authoritarians and now that Trump is the authority, they'll align behind him. But it explains why you see so much more attacking of Clinton than you see defense of their own candidate -- they may be stuck with him, but they sure don't like it.
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Of course you twist the numbers the way you wish, like always.

Politico's Kyle Cheney noticed something interesting about Donald Trump's big primary wins on Tuesday night. With a number of states still to vote — including the largest, California — Trump is poised to set a new record vote total in Republican presidential primaries. The current record is held by George W. Bush, with his 10.8 million votes in 2000. Trump, according to RealClearPolitics, is currently at a little north of 10 million.
But there's a catch: One of the main reasons that Trump has so many votes is that this election has seen so many more voters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ne-in-history-because-more-people-are-voting/

So turnout is way up, enthusiasm and voter interest way up, and Trump is receiving more of these votes than any candidate in history.
 
Dino said:
Of course you twist the numbers the way you wish, like always.

Politico's Kyle Cheney noticed something interesting about Donald Trump's big primary wins on Tuesday night. With a number of states still to vote — including the largest, California — Trump is poised to set a new record vote total in Republican presidential primaries. The current record is held by George W. Bush, with his 10.8 million votes in 2000. Trump, according to RealClearPolitics, is currently at a little north of 10 million.
But there's a catch: One of the main reasons that Trump has so many votes is that this election has seen so many more voters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ne-in-history-because-more-people-are-voting/

So turnout is way up, enthusiasm and voter interest way up, and Trump is receiving more of these votes than any candidate in history.
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Certainly there's been a bunch of enthusiasm both for and against Trump among Republicans this year. I'm just pointing out that there's more enthusiasm against him. It'll be interesting to see how that translates in the general election.

Personally, I expect most of the internal opposition to him will vanish. I base that on the assumption that most right-wingers are hypocrites. They talk a good game when it comes to issues like fiscal responsibility and family values, and they pretend they care about things like decorum, but I don't think they really give a crap about any of that. I think that when it comes down to it, they'll throw all that out the window and vote for the hatemonger-in-chief, because the hate is all they really care about. We'll see, though. Maybe I'll be proven wrong by mass defections from the GOP ticket to Clinton or Johnson.
 
Arkady said:
Certainly there's been a bunch of enthusiasm both for and against Trump among Republicans this year. I'm just pointing out that there's more enthusiasm against him. It'll be interesting to see how that translates in the general election.

Personally, I expect most of the internal opposition to him will vanish. I base that on the assumption that most right-wingers are hypocrites. They talk a good game when it comes to issues like fiscal responsibility and family values, and they pretend they care about things like decorum, but I don't think they really give a crap about any of that. I think that when it comes down to it, they'll throw all that out the window and vote for the hatemonger-in-chief, because the hate is all they really care about. We'll see, though. Maybe I'll be proven wrong by mass defections from the GOP ticket to Clinton or Johnson.
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Well at least you don't engage in mindless generalizing anyway.

I'd humor your brand of broad-brush nonsense, if only it had any credibility. After conservatives turned their backs on Romney, and cost him the election despite his winning the majority of voting independents, it shows your theory and broad sideswipe of your opposition party is not only unflattering, but also incorrect.

The bloc-voting hypocrites vote on the LEFT.

I wouldn't have to skew any numbers at all to prove that.
 
Arkady said:
Certainly there's been a bunch of enthusiasm both for and against Trump among Republicans this year. I'm just pointing out that there's more enthusiasm against him. It'll be interesting to see how that translates in the general election.

Personally, I expect most of the internal opposition to him will vanish. I base that on the assumption that most right-wingers are hypocrites. They talk a good game when it comes to issues like fiscal responsibility and family values, and they pretend they care about things like decorum, but I don't think they really give a crap about any of that. I think that when it comes down to it, they'll throw all that out the window and vote for the hatemonger-in-chief, because the hate is all they really care about. We'll see, though. Maybe I'll be proven wrong by mass defections from the GOP ticket to Clinton or Johnson.
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You should be more concerned with DNC killing your candidate Bernie softly, of course you will become a pant suit supporter so you probably down with her anyways.

17 running, of course Trump wasn't going to get ALL the votes, but, now there is only 1 and it appears to constipate you.

 
Dino said:
Well at least you don't engage in mindless generalizing anyway.

I'd humor your brand of broad-brush nonsense, if only it had any credibility. After conservatives turned their backs on Romney, and cost him the election despite his winning the majority of voting independents, it shows your theory and broad sideswipe of your opposition party is not only unflattering, but also incorrect.
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What makes you think conservatives turned their backs on Romney?
 
Dawg said:
You should be more concerned with DNC killing your candidate Bernie softly, of course you will become a pant suit supporter so you probably down with her anyways.
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Sanders ran an outstanding campaign that has done a great deal to put the issues we lefties care about front and center for the Democrats. But, blaming his loss on the DNC just doesn't make sense. Sanders got ample opportunities to win votes, and the truth is, he just didn't win enough of them. Clinton has over three million more votes, and after tomorrow that gap is almost certainly going to widen. Whether it's because the typical Democratic voter is more conservative than Sanders, or because people took the timid path of going with the apparently more electable candidate, the voters made their choice.
 
Arkady said:

Sanders ran an outstanding campaign that has done a great deal to put the issues we lefties care about front and center for the Democrats. But, blaming his loss on the DNC just doesn't make sense. Sanders got ample opportunities to win votes, and the truth is, he just didn't win enough of them. Clinton has over three million more votes, and after tomorrow that gap is almost certainly going to widen. Whether it's because the typical Democratic voter is more conservative than Sanders, or because people took the timid path of going with the apparently more electable candidate, the voters made their choice.
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Opposite of what you top posted of Trump votes, Shultz made it clear months back Super Delegates would go to Hildebeast, so yes, DNC killed Bernie softly and it's going to backfire at convention when Contested.........

http://redalertpolitics.com/2016/05...s-say-theyre-neverhillary-15-will-vote-trump/

BAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
 
Arkady said:
What makes you think conservatives turned their backs on Romney?
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/333083/romneys-base-did-not-turn-out-maggie-gallagher

Jan Crawford’s piece on why the Romney campaign is “shellshocked” includes this key point: They misread turnout. They expected it to be between 2004 and 2008 levels, with a plus-2 or plus-3 Democratic electorate, instead of plus-7 as it was in 2008. Their assumptions were wrong on both sides: The president’s base turned out and Romney’s did not. More African-Americans voted in Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina and Florida than in 2008. And fewer Republicans did: Romney got just over 2 million fewer votes than John McCain. It turned out to be a base election. Romney did not turn out the full GOP base. Obama turned out his base in spite of a dwindling enthusiasm for him, personally.

http://www.redstate.com/diary/griff...012-the-case-of-the-4-million-missing-voters/

Conservative Christians in certain communities deem Mormons a cult. They stayed away in droves.

Rush speculated that Romney wasn't conservative enough.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/11/08/why_did_three_million_republicans_stay_home

Some conservative groups boycotted Romney's campaign.

http://www.conservativehq.com/article/should-tea-partiers-protest-mitt-Romney

http://www.politico.com/story/2011/08/freedomworks-to-protest-romney-062380

Some people were just fundamentally against his views.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...climate-change/2011/06/08/AGkUTaMH_story.html
 
Dawg said:
Opposite of what you top posted of Trump votes, Shultz made it clear months back Super Delegates would go to Hildebeast, so yes, DNC killed Bernie softly and it's going to backfire at convention when Contested.........

http://redalertpolitics.com/2016/05...s-say-theyre-neverhillary-15-will-vote-trump/

BAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
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No. Even though superdelegates were largely lined up behind Clinton to start, that wouldn't have mattered if Sanders had done well enough to win a significant majority of pledged delegates. Then many of the superdelegates would have defected. That's basically what happened back in 2008, when Clinton started with a sizable superdelegate lead, yet Obama ended up winning:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4060224&page=1

Sanders lost because he never figured out how to connect with minority voters the way Obama did. Minority voters are a major factor in Democratic elections, and a politician who can't be competitive among them isn't going to win. In that case, I think Sanders was hurt by building a campaign around what had worked so well in Vermont for so many years. That structure was great when it came to states that looked sort of like Vermont, but it didn't play well in more diverse states. If he had it to do over again, he'd be wise to put a campaign manager with lots of experience reaching out to the black and Hispanic communities, and doing more, early on, to build bridges to leaders of those communities.
 
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