Ukraine liberated !!! PJ leftists agog . . .

[as seen on tv]

Over the weekend the Ukraine’s Russian aligned president fled to Russia. Or at least he tried to. The military, no longer on his side, prevented his aircraft from taking off. He went by car to eastern Ukraine, and may by now have slipped across the border into mother Russia.

His oppression of the people failed the same way the Soviet Government fell, the Egyptian government fell, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Algeria, etc. The military decided that shooting unarmed civilians was an unsound practic, and they (finally) said "nyet". This is in contrast to the “bad” way dictators fall, which involves a coup by some general who decides he’s smarter than the smirking strongman at the podium.

Yulia Tymoshenko (sp?) the jailed ex-PM, appearing frail and in a wheelchair, was promptly freed from prison and addressed the crowd just before midnight, offering the assembled citizen condolences on their losses, kudos for their courage. No, I don’t want to become Prime Minister again, she said to their disappointment. She trusts the Ukrainian men and women in the street to find their own path to freedom and justice.

It still remains to be seen if Victor Putin will use some pretext to send tanks into the eastern Ukraine, to “protect” or “liberate” the ethnic Russians living there from the Ukrainian majority. Or perhaps he will simply send in the “Cossacks” who were caught on video horsewhipping the band “Pussy Riot” as they prepared to perform in Sochi. (contest to PJ members - has the term "cossacks" ever been used in American media during out lifetimes?)

Word to the Ukrainians. Congrats, but don’t let your guard down yet. Putin is one slimy character. In fact, send the police and military out to PROTECT the ethnic russians living in your midst, against something a few ukrainian hotheds (or provacateurs impersonating ukrainians) might attempt.

Word to PJ’s leftists. I’m ashamed to appear on the same board with people who defended the slaughter in Kiev. It honestly doesn’t matter whether their president won an election a few years ago or not. There’s no right to suspend the constitution, create a law that says you can rule by decree, suspend all civil liberties and free speech, then use snipers to gun down unarmed protestors. No right, no matter how many elections your party’s poll-minders claim you might have won.

We now turn our attention to Syria and Venezuela where similar events are playing out. No doubt PJ’s leftists are cheering on Assad and Maduro, who claim to have won THEIR elections too. As with the Ukraine, opposition political figures are in jail, and the population wants a change.

PJ leftists – history is not on your side. You’re not “progressive” in any sense of the word. You’re retrograde supporters of status quo dictators and oppression. Shame on you.

 

[GordonGecko]

PJ leftists – history is not on your side. You’re not “progressive” in any sense of the word. You’re retrograde supporters of status quo dictators and oppression. Shame on you.

Funny because during the Syria situation a few months back, it was the RIGHT who were laughing at how "Putin had gotten the better of Obama".....siding with a Russian dictator over the President of their own country.

It's also the Right who wanted Mubarak to remain in power in Egypt....supporting the status quo and an oppressive dictatorship.

Naturally ASOT "forgot" those incidents.....or may have not even heard of them.

 

[Wulk]

Comparing a popular uprising in the Ukraine with the ongoing war in Syria is like comparing apples and housebricks. Going by your post, do you support the foreign terrorists that are fighting the Assad Govt?

 

[as seen on tv]

Comparing a popular uprising in the Ukraine with the ongoing war in Syria is like comparing apples and housebricks. Going by your post, do you support the foreign terrorists that are fighting the Assad Govt?

i've frequently posted that the US government should NOT send troops or weapons to the Syrian "resistance". There are numerous anti-democratic factions making up the opponents of Assad. Just because you're fighting an anti-american regime doesn't mean you get a blank check for US support. We should have learned that lesson when we were arming Saddam during his war with Iran.

However, neither should we roll over while Putin sends boatloads of conventional arms to Assad. The death toll in Syria is 130,000. Putin's alleged treaty for the destruction of the chemical weapons Assad original claims he never had or used - the first drop of gas hasn't been neutralized yet. Why not blockade syrian ports,, so at least Putin would have to fly the stuff in, cutting it down from a flood to a trickle?

Assad, after all, is sitll massacreing civilians by the thousands.

 

[zzigzzag]

i've frequently posted that the US government should NOT send troops or weapons to the Syrian "resistance". There are numerous anti-democratic factions making up the opponents of Assad. Just because you're fighting an anti-american regime doesn't mean you get a blank check for US support. We should have learned that lesson when we were arming Saddam during his war with Iran.

However, neither should we roll over while Putin sends boatloads of conventional arms to Assad. The death toll in Syria is 130,000. Putin's alleged treaty for the destruction of the chemical weapons Assad original claims he never had or used - the first drop of gas hasn't been neutralized yet. Why not blockade syrian ports,, so at least Putin would have to fly the stuff in, cutting it down from a flood to a trickle?

Assad, after all, is sitll massacreing civilians by the thousands.

That's the second time this morning that you've tried to change the subject on your own, stupid TP. Hillaryous!

So you don't have any real examples of "agoggery? Go figure.

 

[worldlymrb]

Important thing here is that the democratically elected govt of Ukraine lost the consent of the governed much like Egyptian govt of Morsi did.

Just because a govt is elected democratically, doesn't give that govt the right use democracy as weapon to push some hidden radical agenda opposed by the people.

For the new Ukranian central govt to be a success for ALL demographics, they should form a 10-20yr intern govt similar to the Confederation of States used during the pre-constitution days of America's founding. Regional state govt's will have sovereignty, and the state govts will then appoint a representative to the Ukraine Central Govt which has very limited powers that are limited to treaties and protecting individual rights in the states..

 

[as seen on tv]

Important thing here is that the democratically elected govt of Ukraine lost the consent of the governed much like Egyptian govt of Morsi did.

Just because a govt is elected democratically, doesn't give that govt the right use democracy as weapon to push some hidden radical agenda opposed by the people.

For the new Ukranian central govt to be a success for ALL demographics, they should form a 10-20yr intern govt similar to the Confederation of States used during the pre-constitution days of America's founding. Regional state govt's will have sovereignty, and the state govts will then appoint a representative to the Ukraine Central Govt which has very limited powers that are limited to treaties and protecting individual rights in the states..

yeah - campaigning on a moderate platform, then screwing over the public does tend to cause you to "lose the consent of the governed"

but not in america, where if you lose the consent of the governed you can always claim its due to racism.

 

[bdtex]

View attachment 24674

Over the weekend the Ukraine’s Russian aligned president fled to Russia. Or at least he tried to. The military, no longer on his side, prevented his aircraft from taking off. He went by car to eastern Ukraine, and may by now have slipped across the border into mother Russia.

His oppression of the people failed the same way the Soviet Government fell, the Egyptian government fell, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Algeria, etc. The military decided that shooting unarmed civilians was an unsound practic, and they (finally) said "nyet". This is in contrast to the “bad” way dictators fall, which involves a coup by some general who decides he’s smarter than the smirking strongman at the podium.

Yulia Tymoshenko (sp?) the jailed ex-PM, appearing frail and in a wheelchair, was promptly freed from prison and addressed the crowd just before midnight, offering the assembled citizen condolences on their losses, kudos for their courage. No, I don’t want to become Prime Minister again, she said to their disappointment. She trusts the Ukrainian men and women in the street to find their own path to freedom and justice.

It still remains to be seen if Victor Putin will use some pretext to send tanks into the eastern Ukraine, to “protect” or “liberate” the ethnic Russians living there from the Ukrainian majority. Or perhaps he will simply send in the “Cossacks” who were caught on video horsewhipping the band “Pussy Riot” as they prepared to perform in Sochi. (contest to PJ members - has the term "cossacks" ever been used in American media during out lifetimes?)

Word to the Ukrainians. Congrats, but don’t let your guard down yet. Putin is one slimy character. In fact, send the police and military out to PROTECT the ethnic russians living in your midst, against something a few ukrainian hotheds (or provacateurs impersonating ukrainians) might attempt.

Word to PJ’s leftists. I’m ashamed to appear on the same board with people who defended the slaughter in Kiev. It honestly doesn’t matter whether their president won an election a few years ago or not. There’s no right to suspend the constitution, create a law that says you can rule by decree, suspend all civil liberties and free speech, then use snipers to gun down unarmed protestors. No right, no matter how many elections your party’s poll-minders claim you might have won.

We now turn our attention to Syria and Venezuela where similar events are playing out. No doubt PJ’s leftists are cheering on Assad and Maduro, who claim to have won THEIR elections too. As with the Ukraine, opposition political figures are in jail, and the population wants a change.

PJ leftists – history is not on your side. You’re not “progressive” in any sense of the word. You’re retrograde supporters of status quo dictators and oppression. Shame on you.

"Word to PJ’s leftists. I’m ashamed....." Being a Repub should cause you to be ashamed. You don't like it here? Leave. Ain't nobody gonna cry over that.

 

[zzigzzag]

yeah - campaigning on a moderate platform, then screwing over the public does tend to cause you to "lose the consent of the governed"

but not in america, where if you lose the consent of the governed you can always claim its due to racism.

Kinda like praising Clinton and saying you "worked with him" on balancing the budget to get elected and then scuttling it as soon as you get yourself a Republican President, eh?