Wait, what???

[Raoul_Luke]

You need an ID to go see a bureaucrat:

https://www.dmv.pa.gov/Information-Centers/Identity-Security/Pages/Real-ID-Act.aspx

But the left demands no IDs for voting? That is [Unwelcome language removed] absurd...

 

[Colorforms]

You need an ID to go see a bureaucrat:

https://www.dmv.pa.gov/Information-Centers/Identity-Security/Pages/Real-ID-Act.aspx

But the left demands no IDs for voting? That is [Unwelcome language removed] absurd...

So minorities can't see a bureaucrat? How racist.

 

[Jen]

You need an ID to go see a bureaucrat:

https://www.dmv.pa.gov/Information-Centers/Identity-Security/Pages/Real-ID-Act.aspx

But the left demands no IDs for voting? That is [Unwelcome language removed] absurd...

But how do you think Democrats are going to get illegal voters in to vote if ID is needed?

 

[Raoul_Luke]

So minorities can't see a bureaucrat? How racist.

Actually, the fact is that they can (and do). It is illegal aliens who can't (but can vote).

 

[afella]

You need an ID to go see a bureaucrat:

https://www.dmv.pa.gov/Information-Centers/Identity-Security/Pages/Real-ID-Act.aspx

But the left demands no IDs for voting? That is [Unwelcome language removed] absurd...

Real ID laws are a thorn in the side of freedom, and a blatant attempt at a quasifascist government. There shouldn't be an ID requirement for either instance. I have little doubt the government would love to establish a program of putting chops into people the day their born for ID and tracking purposes. Its abhorrent.

 

[ObamacareForever]

You need an ID to go see a bureaucrat:

https://www.dmv.pa.gov/Information-Centers/Identity-Security/Pages/Real-ID-Act.aspx

But the left demands no IDs for voting? That is [Unwelcome language removed] absurd...

where is your constitutional right to board a plane?

 

[Raoul_Luke]

where is your constitutional right to board a plane?

Do I have a "constitutional right" to go to a hospital? How is that any different than an airplane?

Do we have a "constitutional right" to go see the IRS? Our congress members? Do you have a point?

 

[ObamacareForever]

Do I have a "constitutional right" to go to a hospital?

No constitutional right to go to hospital.

How is that any different than an airplane?

Do we have a "constitutional right" to go see the IRS? Our congress members? Do you have a point?

You don't have a constitutional right to enter their offices. You do have constitutional right to vote.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Real ID laws are a thorn in the side of freedom, and a blatant attempt at a quasifascist government. There shouldn't be an ID requirement for either instance. I have little doubt the government would love to establish a program of putting chops into people the day their born for ID and tracking purposes. Its abhorrent.

Shall we eschew requiring ID to enter the country as well?

 

[Raoul_Luke]

No constitutional right to go to hospital.

You don't have a constitutional right to enter their offices. You do have constitutional right to vote.

How do they know you have the "constitutional right to vote" if they have no freaking clue who the f*ck you are?

 

[ObamacareForever]

How do they know you have the "constitutional right to vote" if they have no freaking clue who the f*ck you are?

signature matching

 

[Raoul_Luke]

signature matching

Have you ever voted? Every time I have lately, the person checking my "signature" has been about 112. In fact, this last time, he didn't even do a "signature comparison." He just pulled out the card with the name I gave him and handed it to me.

Do they require you to present a Federal ID to register? If not, then your point is, as usual, moot. If so, then why is it such a hardship to require that you bring that ID to the polling place?

 

[Raoul_Luke]

signature matching

So is it okay to require ID to register to vote?

 

[afella]

Shall we eschew requiring ID to enter the country as well?

I didnt even come close to suggesting such an alternative. IDs can be maintained. The governments expansion of ID requirements and the information they can acquire from an ID is abhorrent. The requirement for an ID should be dropped to an absolute minimum.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

I didnt even come close to suggesting such an alternative. IDs can be maintained. The governments expansion of ID requirements and the information they can acquire from an ID is abhorrent. The requirement for an ID should be dropped to an absolute minimum.

I agree whole heartedly, but doing away with it only works if we dismantle the welfare state.

 

[afella]

I agree whole heartedly, but doing away with it only works if we dismantle the welfare state.

Well, we have to start some where, and stopping or risking of the real ID requirements is a very good start. Making a problem worse isnt a valid option.

 

[Dawg]

where is your constitutional right to board a plane?

in your billfold

 

[Dawg]

YOU must have ID to see a doctor

I've been with same bank 25 years and now if I cash a check I MUST show ID and the tellers know me very well...……...

 

[afella]

YOU must have ID to see a doctor

I've been with same bank 25 years and now if I cash a check I MUST show ID and the tellers know me very well...……...

Are those government mandated? If they are why? If they are, then they shouldn't be.

 

[Dawg]

Are those government mandated? If they are why? If they are, then they shouldn't be.

appears to be more of a business decision/mandate and probably due to illegals?