War On Christianity.....

[Zam-Zam]

.....is very real:

KARSHIN DAJI, Nigeria (Morning Star News) – Following attacks on three towns in Nigeria’s Kaduna state last week that killed 46 Christians, church leaders said the Muslim Fulani assailants seem driven to rid the area of Christianity and use the land to graze their cattle.
Two pastors were among 31 Christians killed just after midnight on Sept. 17 in Karshin Daji, where 15 others were injured and 15 houses burned down, Christian leaders said. Pastor Ezra Ibrahim of the Evangelical Church Winning All (ECWA) was killed, and the Julius Jako of the ECWA was slain alongside his wife and daughter, said 60-year-old Danjuma Awe, an elder of the ECWA congregation in Karshin Daji.


Jako, his wife Rhoda and their 12-year-old daughter Husseina were in their home on their church premises in Karshin Daji when Awe heard about an attack going on at Fadan Karshi, just five kilometers (three miles) away, he said. His family told Jako’s son to warn his father, and he left.


“Suddenly we heard sounds of gunshots around our village,” Awe said. “The pastor was still in the pastorate when the Muslim Fulani gunmen forced their way onto the church premises. They cut him, his wife, and a daughter with a machete, and then tied the hands and feet of the three of them before setting the house on fire. The three of them were burned to ashes in the living room of the pastorate. We only found the charred remains of the three of them the following morning.”

In three hours of bloodshed without any effort to intervene by security agencies, the Fulani Muslims killed 31 Christians in Karshin Daji, he said. The 15 wounded received hospital treatment. The village has two churches, the ECWA Church and an Evangelical Reformed Church of Christ (ERCC).


Complete text: http://christiannews.net/2014/10/04/two-pastors-among-46-christians-killed-in-kaduna-state-nigeria/

 

[Mr. Friscus]

From what I can tell, the modern atheist or "spiritual" crowd holds a resentment towards Christianity.

You'd probably have to push very hard to get anyone non-Christian to think the murdering of Christians was a big deal.

Hell, many would say they probably deserve it.

 

[gigi]

Hell, many would say they probably deserve it.

Sure. Haven't you heard the screed against "Christian privilege"? It's all just comeuppance as far as that crowd is concerned.

 

[Barbella]

I don't quite get their hatred of Christianity and Christians. What happened to tolerance and a little bit of "live and let live"?

 

[gigi]

I don't quite get their hatred of Christianity and Christians. What happened to tolerance and a little bit of "live and let live"?

Seems to be that the folks who kvetch about Christians are fine with Christian ideologies that THEY agree with. In fact, they hold the ideologies they agree with up as the "real" Christianity. Christians that can't bake a cake for someone, or pray outside an abortion mill, or believe our human rights come from God and not some government....they all have to go.
But Christians who protest outside the bakery and wave pro abortion signs and vote for the guy who's gonna tell you what you have the right to believe and what you don't have the right to believe....they're the good ones.

The tolerant left.

 

[Barbella]

Seems to be that the folks who kvetch about Christians are fine with Christian ideologies that THEY agree with. In fact, they hold the ideologies they agree with up as the "real" Christianity. Christians that can't bake a cake for someone, or pray outside an abortion mill, or believe our human rights come from God and not some government....they all have to go.
But Christians who protest outside the bakery and wave pro abortion signs and vote for the guy who's gonna tell you what you have the right to believe and what you don't have the right to believe....they're the good ones.

The tolerant left.

Lefties like to do that... it's like the abortion thing and Europe. So many lefties here rave about how much better everything is in Europe... Sweden this, Denmark that, Germany blah blah blah... but when I point out that all of these countries have laws regarding abortion, and that it's restricted after the first trimester? And that there is a 3-day waiting period in many of these countries... and women get counseling before they have an abortion? And that teens have to get their parents' permission before they have an abortion? They don't want to hear that....

They pick out the parts THEY like, and ignore the rest.

 

[Zam-Zam]

The persecution of Christians is nothing new of course, but quite a few people seem to think that's all in the distant past. Many are not aware of the ongoing brutality directed at the followers of Jesus Christ, as stories like the one above are not likely to be featured on your nightly newscast or on the front page of the New York Times. The first step in curbing the persecution is making sure people know about it. Some will remain indifferent of course, but perhaps it will light a fire in the hearts of others.

 

[Arkady]

.....is very real:

KARSHIN DAJI, Nigeria (Morning Star News) – Following attacks on three towns in Nigeria’s Kaduna state last week that killed 46 Christians, church leaders said the Muslim Fulani assailants seem driven to rid the area of Christianity and use the land to graze their cattle.
Two pastors were among 31 Christians killed just after midnight on Sept. 17 in Karshin Daji, where 15 others were injured and 15 houses burned down, Christian leaders said. Pastor Ezra Ibrahim of the Evangelical Church Winning All (ECWA) was killed, and the Julius Jako of the ECWA was slain alongside his wife and daughter, said 60-year-old Danjuma Awe, an elder of the ECWA congregation in Karshin Daji.


Jako, his wife Rhoda and their 12-year-old daughter Husseina were in their home on their church premises in Karshin Daji when Awe heard about an attack going on at Fadan Karshi, just five kilometers (three miles) away, he said. His family told Jako’s son to warn his father, and he left.


“Suddenly we heard sounds of gunshots around our village,” Awe said. “The pastor was still in the pastorate when the Muslim Fulani gunmen forced their way onto the church premises. They cut him, his wife, and a daughter with a machete, and then tied the hands and feet of the three of them before setting the house on fire. The three of them were burned to ashes in the living room of the pastorate. We only found the charred remains of the three of them the following morning.”

In three hours of bloodshed without any effort to intervene by security agencies, the Fulani Muslims killed 31 Christians in Karshin Daji, he said. The 15 wounded received hospital treatment. The village has two churches, the ECWA Church and an Evangelical Reformed Church of Christ (ERCC).


Complete text: http://christiannews.net/2014/10/04/two-pastors-among-46-christians-killed-in-kaduna-state-nigeria/

Yes. However, by the same standards, there's a war going on against pretty much any religion you can think of. There were violent anti-Muslim riots in Burma, killing at least 40, for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Burma_anti-Muslim_riots

There was anti-Hindu violence in Bangladesh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Bangladesh_anti-Hindu_violence

Anti-Buddhist violence happens frequently in Tibet. Anti-Judaism violence has a long, dark tradition. There was terrible anti-Sikh violence in India in the 80s. Pretty much anywhere you get a sizable religious minority in the presence of a large religious majority, especially where tensions are exacerbated by poverty, you get a "war" on the minority religion.

 

[Barbella]

Yes. However, by the same standards, there's a war going on against pretty much any religion you can think of. There were violent anti-Muslim riots in Burma, killing at least 40, for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Burma_anti-Muslim_riots

There was anti-Hindu violence in Bangladesh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Bangladesh_anti-Hindu_violence

Anti-Buddhist violence happens frequently in Tibet. Anti-Judaism violence has a long, dark tradition. There was terrible anti-Sikh violence in India in the 80s. Pretty much anywhere you get a sizable religious minority in the presence of a large religious majority, especially where tensions are exacerbated by poverty, you get a "war" on the minority religion.

Any recent mass violence by Christians against other religions? Other than a lone nut... and RECENT? Thanks...

 

[Hmmmm]

Any recent mass violence by Christians against other religions? Other than a lone nut... and RECENT? Thanks...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#Contemporary

 

[Barbella]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#Contemporary

Amazing. I was not aware of this...

I wonder how much of this is due to politics disguised as religion, however? Religion is often used as a front for nothing but the acquisition of power and money. Always has, always will.

True believers don't kill in the name of God.

 

[Hmmmm]

I wonder how much of this is due to politics disguised as religion, however? Religion is often used as a front for nothing but the acquisition of power and money. Always has, always will.

I agree. Much of what we attribute to religion is often cultural or simply power grabs or other disagreements. Northern Ireland is an example.

True believers don't kill in the name of God.

I think some do.

 

[Barbella]

I agree. Much of what we attribute to religion is often cultural or simply power grabs or other disagreements. Northern Ireland is an example.



I think some do.

Deluded ones...

 

[as seen on tv]

this is basically what ISIS is up to - it's a land (and oil) grab masquerading as sectarian religious dispute.

 

[Arkady]

Any recent mass violence by Christians against other religions? Other than a lone nut... and RECENT? Thanks...

Yes, absolutely. Ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavia is a good example. Christian Serbians sought to purge Muslims. There have also been a lot of recent attacks in Africa by Christians against practitioners of traditional faiths, whom the Christians have labeled witches.

 

[gigi]

We don't hear much about religious persecution in the media because....well, what happens when people start to feeling like they're being persecuted because of a part of who they are? The band together and stand up to the oppressor. Even people who are not specifically among the group being persecuted will take up for the underdog. The last thing the left in America-which runs the media-wants is to remind folks how very real and dangerous religious persecution is and cause us to become keenly aware of its existence.
It's more beneficial to the medias' agendas to single out different groups and villify them one at a time.

 

[afella]

.....is very real:

KARSHIN DAJI, Nigeria (Morning Star News) – Following attacks on three towns in Nigeria’s Kaduna state last week that killed 46 Christians, church leaders said the Muslim Fulani assailants seem driven to rid the area of Christianity and use the land to graze their cattle.
Two pastors were among 31 Christians killed just after midnight on Sept. 17 in Karshin Daji, where 15 others were injured and 15 houses burned down, Christian leaders said. Pastor Ezra Ibrahim of the Evangelical Church Winning All (ECWA) was killed, and the Julius Jako of the ECWA was slain alongside his wife and daughter, said 60-year-old Danjuma Awe, an elder of the ECWA congregation in Karshin Daji.


Jako, his wife Rhoda and their 12-year-old daughter Husseina were in their home on their church premises in Karshin Daji when Awe heard about an attack going on at Fadan Karshi, just five kilometers (three miles) away, he said. His family told Jako’s son to warn his father, and he left.


“Suddenly we heard sounds of gunshots around our village,” Awe said. “The pastor was still in the pastorate when the Muslim Fulani gunmen forced their way onto the church premises. They cut him, his wife, and a daughter with a machete, and then tied the hands and feet of the three of them before setting the house on fire. The three of them were burned to ashes in the living room of the pastorate. We only found the charred remains of the three of them the following morning.”

In three hours of bloodshed without any effort to intervene by security agencies, the Fulani Muslims killed 31 Christians in Karshin Daji, he said. The 15 wounded received hospital treatment. The village has two churches, the ECWA Church and an Evangelical Reformed Church of Christ (ERCC).


Complete text: http://christiannews.net/2014/10/04/two-pastors-among-46-christians-killed-in-kaduna-state-nigeria/

Any conflict against any religion, based solely on the religious beliefs is two things.

1. A detriment to society as a whole. It has been the root of many wars, conflicts of interest, and impingements on civilized advances, has religious sects been out of the way we could have advanced far quicker and much more broadly. Science is generally limited under religious theory, if not down right restricted.

2. Religion, while I disagree with it, is a part of our heritage and quite frankly has helped our civilization advance to a certain degree and allowed us to flourish as a species. Through a semblance of meaning and virtue religion has provided us with a basis as a species to find justification or righteousness where there is none. Those aren't bad things. The conflict of various religions is fruitless, and serves no actual purpose other than body bags.

That being said there is no war on Christianity, there is the simple and standard war on the other religion. With the exception of agnostics, who do serve in an actual war against religion.

While I am not religious myself, and quite frankly will always thing that religions are a joke, I understand the concept and think it to be a virtue of the human spirit. ONLY when applied correctly however. The rest is hogwash nonsense to serve a superiors goal.

 

[afella]

this is basically what ISIS is up to - it's a land (and oil) grab masquerading as sectarian religious dispute.

I see it different. I see it as a land grab for a massing of their religious disputes. If you want to have a war you have to fund it, they understand that.

 

[Jen]

.....is very real:

KARSHIN DAJI, Nigeria (Morning Star News) – Following attacks on three towns in Nigeria’s Kaduna state last week that killed 46 Christians, church leaders said the Muslim Fulani assailants seem driven to rid the area of Christianity and use the land to graze their cattle.
Two pastors were among 31 Christians killed just after midnight on Sept. 17 in Karshin Daji, where 15 others were injured and 15 houses burned down, Christian leaders said. Pastor Ezra Ibrahim of the Evangelical Church Winning All (ECWA) was killed, and the Julius Jako of the ECWA was slain alongside his wife and daughter, said 60-year-old Danjuma Awe, an elder of the ECWA congregation in Karshin Daji.


Jako, his wife Rhoda and their 12-year-old daughter Husseina were in their home on their church premises in Karshin Daji when Awe heard about an attack going on at Fadan Karshi, just five kilometers (three miles) away, he said. His family told Jako’s son to warn his father, and he left.


“Suddenly we heard sounds of gunshots around our village,” Awe said. “The pastor was still in the pastorate when the Muslim Fulani gunmen forced their way onto the church premises. They cut him, his wife, and a daughter with a machete, and then tied the hands and feet of the three of them before setting the house on fire. The three of them were burned to ashes in the living room of the pastorate. We only found the charred remains of the three of them the following morning.”

In three hours of bloodshed without any effort to intervene by security agencies, the Fulani Muslims killed 31 Christians in Karshin Daji, he said. The 15 wounded received hospital treatment. The village has two churches, the ECWA Church and an Evangelical Reformed Church of Christ (ERCC).


Complete text: http://christiannews.net/2014/10/04/two-pastors-among-46-christians-killed-in-kaduna-state-nigeria/

Yes.
There is a war on Christianity.