What I read here all too often .....................

[Gramps]

is people dead set on tearing this nation apart rather than making it a better place to live.

I think it is a disgrace for those living to try to destroy the efforts of the Americans interred in our national cemeteries throughout the world.

Just this evening my son-in-law and I discussed some of the problems facing the latest gang of returning war veterans.

So, you pay taxes. How about those who paid with their lives. Don't we owe them something besides disseention?

gramps

 

[BobbyT]

is people dead set on tearing this nation apart rather than making it a better place to live.

I think it is a disgrace for those living to try to destroy the efforts of the Americans interred in our national cemeteries throughout the world.

Just this evening my son-in-law and I discussed some of the problems facing the latest gang of returning war veterans.

So, you pay taxes. How about those who paid with their lives. Don't we owe them something besides disseention?

gramps

Respectfully Gramps, no. Dissention is what those interred in our national cemeteries fought for. A greatness of the US is the ability to dissent without fear of government reprisal. Now, I'll agree that there are those who dissent simply because 'the other team' won the presidency, and they don't have the best interests of the US in mind. But still, their right to dissent is one of the foundational values of our country.

 

[LogCabinRepublican]

I think the problem is we are so divided nobody has the ability to work together anymore and its a shame too.

 

[PACE]

is people dead set on tearing this nation apart rather than making it a better place to live.

I think it is a disgrace for those living to try to destroy the efforts of the Americans interred in our national cemeteries throughout the world.

Just this evening my son-in-law and I discussed some of the problems facing the latest gang of returning war veterans.

So, you pay taxes. How about those who paid with their lives. Don't we owe them something besides disseention?

gramps

We have a noble obligation to work together, those that serve, those that put their lives on the line, no matter what political slant we may have on the conflict itself, deserve our undying respect and loyalty.

Those that work tirelessly to help those in need, those that teach, those that truly serve their communities, should be the gold standard for the rest of us.

While we may toil and work daily to keep body and soul together, and promote the dreams of those who came before us and the hope and fortitude of those who will take the helm one day, we should stop to remember, that we are indeed "all in this together".

We will differ and we will dissent, it should be in the spirit of loyal opposition, not rancor, not hate, those are destructive roads.

A house divided cannot stand, a man admired greatly by many, regardless of political stripe, once said that.

We cannot continue to go down a road of equal n forces working against each other, for both sides, BOTH SIDES do not progress in this case.

WE all lose.

Regards
Pace

 

[Gramps]

Respectfully Gramps, no. Dissention is what those interred in our national cemeteries fought for. A greatness of the US is the ability to dissent without fear of government reprisal. Now, I'll agree that there are those who dissent simply because 'the other team' won the presidency, and they don't have the best interests of the US in mind. But still, their right to dissent is one of the foundational values of our country.

Can I interpret your "no" as meaning all we owe them is "dissention"? Gee, that seems so trivial considering the price they paid. My oops, huh?

grampa

 

[oicu812]

Can I interpret your "no" as meaning all we owe them is "dissention"? Gee, that seems so trivial considering the price they paid. My oops, huh?

grampa

i think it means the "freedom to express critical arguments/thoughts directed towards the governing power w/o the fear of being tortured and killed for expressing those opinions"...

example: much of the mideast and n. korea come to mind...

 

[BobbyT]

Can I interpret your "no" as meaning all we owe them is "dissention"? Gee, that seems so trivial considering the price they paid. My oops, huh?

grampa

No, you interpreted me incorrectly. My job is making sure our troops have the best equipment possible. I work with soldiers and airmen daily, also frequently with sailors and marines. My son is in the Navy. I have the utmost respect for, and duty towards, those who fight or have fought on our behalf. One of our country's greatest values is freedom - most especially the freedom to speak our minds without fear of government reprisal. That's what I was talking about.

 

[Gramps]

No, you interpreted me incorrectly. My job is making sure our troops have the best equipment possible. I work with soldiers and airmen daily, also frequently with sailors and marines. My son is in the Navy. I have the utmost respect for, and duty towards, those who fight or have fought on our behalf. One of our country's greatest values is freedom - most especially the freedom to speak our minds without fear of government reprisal. That's what I was talking about.

Seeing as how you have a hands on grasp of what it's all about then 'm sure you realize that using the word "freedom" as the primary objective of a service man's duty is stretching our imaginations quite a bit. I don't think freedom hs been the bottom line of any conflict since WWII. It's hyperbole in motion to stir patriotism, nothing more, and it's a shame ordinary men have to suffer the indignities of combat in it's wake.
And the fallout from our most recent conquests is yet to be determined regarding the mental images that are etched in stone within our veteran's minds. If anyone in this nation has a real right to bitch and moan it is they and they are carefully monitored to see that they don't so long as they continue to wear the uniform. Soldiers do not have the rights protected by the first amendment. Sad, huh?

gramps

 

[BobbyT]

Seeing as how you have a hands on grasp of what it's all about then 'm sure you realize that using the word "freedom" as the primary objective of a service man's duty is stretching our imaginations quite a bit. I don't think freedom hs been the bottom line of any conflict since WWII. It's hyperbole in motion to stir patriotism, nothing more, and it's a shame ordinary men have to suffer the indignities of combat in it's wake.
And the fallout from our most recent conquests is yet to be determined regarding the mental images that are etched in stone within our veteran's minds. If anyone in this nation has a real right to bitch and moan it is they and they are carefully monitored to see that they don't so long as they continue to wear the uniform. Soldiers do not have the rights protected by the first amendment. Sad, huh?

gramps

I don't know gramps, I hear plenty of bitching and moaning, but perhaps you're referring to something specific that I don't know about. I agree we have yet to see the fallout from these latest conflicts. I work with a SOF E-7 who is being drummed out of the Army right now due to TBI. He was in five separate IED explosions, his short-term memory is severely affected, and he has been in therapy for extreme anger issues due to his service in Iraq. One shining light in his life right now is his work with the Wounded Warrior program. But I imagine we as a country will do as little for our vets returning from these conflicts as we have done for previous ones - we love them when they're in uniform but ignore them after that.

 

[Gramps]

I don't know gramps, I hear plenty of bitching and moaning, but perhaps you're referring to something specific that I don't know about. I agree we have yet to see the fallout from these latest conflicts. I work with a SOF E-7 who is being drummed out of the Army right now due to TBI. He was in five separate IED explosions, his short-term memory is severely affected, and he has been in therapy for extreme anger issues due to his service in Iraq. One shining light in his life right now is his work with the Wounded Warrior program. But I imagine we as a country will do as little for our vets returning from these conflicts as we have done for previous ones - we love them when they're in uniform but ignore them after that.

Yes, you do have a precise take on the situation regarding vets after they're out of uniform. The Brits had a little rhyme about that years ago that went like, "It's Tommy this and Tommy that and throw him out the brute but it's savior of the country when the guns begin to shoot and then it's Tommy this and Tommy that and anything you please but Tommy's note a bloomjn' fool, you bet that Tommie sees".

As a vet I thank you for giving vets a much needed hand of understanding.

gramps

 

[Dawg]

I don't know gramps, I hear plenty of bitching and moaning, but perhaps you're referring to something specific that I don't know about. I agree we have yet to see the fallout from these latest conflicts. I work with a SOF E-7 who is being drummed out of the Army right now due to TBI. He was in five separate IED explosions, his short-term memory is severely affected, and he has been in therapy for extreme anger issues due to his service in Iraq. One shining light in his life right now is his work with the Wounded Warrior program. But I imagine we as a country will do as little for our vets returning from these conflicts as we have done for previous ones - we love them when they're in uniform but ignore them after that.

Wounded Warrior Program is a SCAM, a big Fat Scam.......my friend retired from SF's called me about this program just the other night (we'd both donated to it) but that will not happen again and I'm hoping millions of other Americans learn of this scam:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/12/08/wounded-warriors-project-a-legal-scam/

Please pass this forward.

 

[Dawg]

Yes, you do have a precise take on the situation regarding vets after they're out of uniform. The Brits had a little rhyme about that years ago that went like, "It's Tommy this and Tommy that and throw him out the brute but it's savior of the country when the guns begin to shoot and then it's Tommy this and Tommy that and anything you please but Tommy's note a bloomjn' fool, you bet that Tommie sees".

As a vet I thank you for giving vets a much needed hand of understanding.

gramps

gramps,

one has do nothing more than attend a Veterans or memorial Day ceremony to see what you posted about......attendance is low, so low it makes ya want to throw something.

 

[Alinvegas]

is people dead set on tearing this nation apart rather than making it a better place to live.

I think it is a disgrace for those living to try to destroy the efforts of the Americans interred in our national cemeteries throughout the world.

Just this evening my son-in-law and I discussed some of the problems facing the latest gang of returning war veterans.

So, you pay taxes. How about those who paid with their lives. Don't we owe them something besides disseention?

gramps

both sides I believe can agree on that Gramps. What happens here is one side or the other tries to own American loyalty. That causes much friction. Too many lies are also posted here just to get someones ire up.

 

[Dawg]

both sides I believe can agree on that Gramps. What happens here is one side or the other tries to own American loyalty. That causes much friction. Too many lies are also posted here just to get someones ire up.

lmao

 

[ya-ta-hey]

is people dead set on tearing this nation apart rather than making it a better place to live.

I think it is a disgrace for those living to try to destroy the efforts of the Americans interred in our national cemeteries throughout the world.

Just this evening my son-in-law and I discussed some of the problems facing the latest gang of returning war veterans.

So, you pay taxes. How about those who paid with their lives. Don't we owe them something besides disseention?

gramps

Mr. Gramps,

What can you do? Liberals are so intent on getting their own way, they won't give an inch.

 

[LogCabinRepublican]

lmao

Awesome!

 

[Woolleybugger]

Seeing as how you have a hands on grasp of what it's all about then 'm sure you realize that using the word "freedom" as the primary objective of a service man's duty is stretching our imaginations quite a bit. I don't think freedom hs been the bottom line of any conflict since WWII. It's hyperbole in motion to stir patriotism, nothing more, and it's a shame ordinary men have to suffer the indignities of combat in it's wake.
And the fallout from our most recent conquests is yet to be determined regarding the mental images that are etched in stone within our veteran's minds. If anyone in this nation has a real right to bitch and moan it is they and they are carefully monitored to see that they don't so long as they continue to wear the uniform. Soldiers do not have the rights protected by the first amendment. Sad, huh?

gramps

Gramps....well said, could not agree with you more.

 

[Gramps]

Mr. Gramps,

What can you do? Liberals are so intent on getting their own way, they won't give an inch.

Getting one's way seems to be the problem from either side of the aisle if you give it a fair assessment. gridlock can only occur when neither side gives an inch.

gramps

 

[fairsheet]

To me, this is just one more example of the unintended consequences of our doing away with the draft. In the draft days, our military represented a relative cross-section of American society.

Now though...our military consists of a pretty specific American subset, to which all too many of us have very limited exposure.