What if Bundy were black....

[afella]

So the law enforcement officers should just allow the black Bundy and his black army to occupy the area and keep out law enforcement for the rest of their lives?

No one has died as a result o their actions correct? There is no threat of anyone perishing due to these people from being there correct? I see no issue with a resolution of the situation of collecting the debt at a later date to avoid bloodshed. Even if the two situations aren't the same, per your original post, other than race.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

No one has died as a result o their actions correct? There is no threat of anyone perishing due to these people from being there correct? I see no issue with a resolution of the situation of collecting the debt at a later date to avoid bloodshed. Even if the two situations aren't the same, per your original post, other than race.

So the answer to my last question is "yes"?

 

[afella]

So the answer to my last question is "yes"?

Absolutely. No ones dead, even if the government wants it that way.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Okay, I give up. You're an idiot.

You gave up long ago.

No way you would confront the TP question. An answer would reveal your true beliefs.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Absolutely. No ones dead, even if the government wants it that way.

Wow. A lifetime right to occupy an area and keep out law enforcement. And I take it that people throughout the nation could do so at will if they had some grudge with the government. What a strange nation that would be.

What happens if the black Bundy dies some 20 years from now and his heirs just continue with the armed occupation?

 

[justoffal]

Clive Bundy, a black guy in NYC who fleeced welfare for years, and he owes the federal government lots of money. Ordinary collection efforts have failed.

Federal law enforcement officers show up and attempt to seize his cars and some other assets, to be used to offset the debt. Clive and many of his black friends heavily arm themselves and refuse to allow the officers to enter upon his property. They issue veiled threats to shoot the officers if they try to enter.

What should the law enforcement officers do?

Well for one thing they could ask Eric Holder to rule on the matter.

 

[afella]

Wow. A lifetime right to occupy an area and keep out law enforcement. And I take it that people throughout the nation could do so at will if they had some grudge with the government. What a strange nation that would be.

What happens if the black Bundy dies some 20 years from now and his heirs just continue with the armed occupation?

As long as our ever more so oppressive government is kept in check I am happy. If the solution is to kill civilians to collect minor sums of money, there is no fantasy of lawlessness as some would fancy and everyone refusal to pay, then we can throw our nations name and its principles under the bus because they no longer matter. At the same time forgiveness of debt or some sort of another solution could easily be found. Our government no longer wants to do that, instead labels people terrorists or a threat to our national security to do what it will to said individuals. If that isn't wrong I don't know what is.

 

[Colorforms]

Well for one thing they could ask Eric Holder to rule on the matter.

Oh Snap

 

[Spamature]

They just can't give their honest answer....

They would castigate the black Bundy and his armed cohorts, and urge that law enforcement go in with their best SWAT teams, armed vehicles and helicopters.

I should have made the black Bundy a New Black Panther to really get their juices flowing.

;-)

Instead of Bundy you should have said it was Reverend Jeremiah Wright and a group of Black Panther

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Well for one thing they could ask Eric Holder to rule on the matter.

They could.

And your advice to Holder would be what?

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

As long as our ever more so oppressive government is kept in check I am happy. If the solution is to kill civilians to collect minor sums of money, there is no fantasy of lawlessness as some would fancy and everyone refusal to pay, then we can throw our nations name and its principles under the bus because they no longer matter. At the same time forgiveness of debt or some sort of another solution could easily be found. Our government no longer wants to do that, instead labels people terrorists or a threat to our national security to do what it will to said individuals. If that isn't wrong I don't know what is.

OK then. A nation of armed fiefdoms run by warlords. No ability to enforce the law within those fiefdoms.

Kinda like a combination of Mad Max and Waterworld. All because people don't want to pay their debts.

GOP Utopia.

Wow.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Instead of Bundy you should have said it was Reverend Jeremiah Wright and a group of Black Panther

That would give them seizures.

But I did find one here who says that he would allow the black Bundy and his armed supporters to perpetually prevent law enforcement within their fiefdoms - something that could presumably be done throughout the nation by any group that has some beef with the government. A horrid vision of America in my view, but at least he didn't dodge the question.

I don't think the rest of our resident right wingers are willing to say that they would allow such armed enclaves by black welfare cheats and their armies.

;-)

 

[Spamature]

That would give them seizures.

But I did find one here who says that he would allow the black Bundy and his armed supporters to perpetually prevent law enforcement within their fiefdoms - something that could presumably be done throughout the nation by any group that has some beef with the government. A horrid vision of America in my view, but at least he didn't dodge the question.

I don't think the rest of our resident right wingers are willing to say that they would allow such armed enclaves by black welfare cheats and their armies.

;-)

Wow I just read it. I suppose Al Capone would have loved debt forgiveness and keeping his fiefdom intact instead of being haul off to Alcatraz for not paying Uncle Sam.

 

[afella]

OK then. A nation of armed fiefdoms run by warlords. No ability to enforce the law within those fiefdoms.

Kinda like a combination of Mad Max and Waterworld. All because people don't want to pay their debts.

GOP Utopia.

Wow.

You're so far from liberal I'd call you a GOP hack. Your assessment of the situation is false, and your fear mongering of individual rights over government tyranny is evident. I am glad your a democrat, and not a liberal, otherwise I could not call myself a liberal straight through shame. Go tailor to corporate interests in the democrat party, let the real liberals form solutions to maintaining our fragile experiment of a nation before you destroy it.

 

[afella]

Or are you just worried that I do not advocate the use of force of the US government, ie killing US citizens, over monetary collections? I'll bet this is the answer.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

You're so far from liberal I'd call you a GOP hack. Your assessment of the situation is false, and your fear mongering of individual rights over government tyranny is evident. I am glad your a democrat, and not a liberal, otherwise I could not call myself a liberal straight through shame. Go tailor to corporate interests in the democrat party, let the real liberals form solutions to maintaining our fragile experiment of a nation before you destroy it.

Your rant is incoherent, but you have made your preferences clear - armed fiefdoms throughout the land run by warlords. A lawless society.

You might think about reconsidering your position lest your relatives try to institutionalize you, but that's your call.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Or are you just worried that I do not advocate the use of force of the US government, ie killing US citizens, over monetary collections? I'll bet this is the answer.

I don't want them killed. I want them to pay their debts. I want the law enforced. If they refuse to submit to the rule of law, they will have to face the consequences. I do advocate tear gas rather than bullets. But regardless, a nation is not a nation if those within it can do whatever they please and prevent any law enforcement.

 

[afella]

Your rant is incoherent, but you have made your preferences clear - armed fiefdoms throughout the land run by warlords. A lawless society.

You might think about reconsidering your position lest your relatives try to institutionalize you, but that's your call.

I must have struck a nerve with that response. You are choosing a very dangerous course by advocating violence by government force over more civil manners for collections of debt. This is a question, posed to you as it stands given the circumstances of each situation. Do YOU prefer the government goes in guns blazing over exhausting ALL other measures to collect a debt? I've responded to every question you have asked, and honestly I might add, will you do the same?

 

[afella]

I don't want them killed. I want them to pay their debts. I want the law enforced. If they refuse to submit to the rule of law, they will have to face the consequences. I do advocate tear gas rather than bullets. But regardless, a nation is not a nation if those within it can do whatever they please and prevent any law enforcement.

I agree. I simply disagree with the end result being enforcement through force without exhausting every other possible option.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

I must have struck a nerve with that response. You are choosing a very dangerous course by advocating violence by government force over more civil manners for collections of debt. This is a question, posed to you as it stands given the circumstances of each situation. Do YOU prefer the government goes in guns blazing over exhausting ALL other measures to collect a debt? I've responded to every question you have asked, and honestly I might add, will you do the same?

Sooner or later you have to face reality - Bundy and his army have no intention of allowing peaceful collection of his debt. That ship has sailed. The question now is whether to just allow him and his army to flout the law and establish their lawless enclave, or bring that to an end.