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What the HELL was the GOP Establishment Mitt thinking?

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I realize that some on my "side" may not agree, but I remain convinced that the Republican establishment ain't stupid. I'm talking the "establishment" by the way....not Hannity, or McConnell, or Kristol, Kantor, Limbaugh, Perry and the like, but the "establishment".

So...all this Bain stuff around Mitt...and his "unsympathetic" tax situation, and those sorts of things? Well, one would be a little naive not to know that the Obama/Democrats have been sittin' on all this, for years now, and are simply "dribbling and drabbling" it out for strategic effect. But, one would ALSO be naive think the GOP establishment wasn't fully aware if it all, as well. So, what the hell were they thinking?

I think...they were couting on the Obama/Democrats bringing it all to the fore, during the GOP primary season. The were assuming that the Obama/Democrats would take care of Mitt FOR them. Give the Obama/Democrats credit, for not "shooting 'til they saw the whites of their eyes!"
 
Maybe they were thinking "Defeating an incumbent President is damn tough...and NO, Barack Obama is NOT Jimmy Carter.....so, why not throw out Mitt given he's 'next'. If he wins...hoorah. We can run a technocratic Republican Administration, a la HW Bush. If he loses...no big loss, since that makes run for Rubio and Ryan and the Young Guns."
 
GordonGecko said:
Maybe they were thinking "Defeating an incumbent President is damn tough...and NO, Barack Obama is NOT Jimmy Carter.....so, why not throw out Mitt given he's 'next'. If he wins...hoorah. We can run a technocratic Republican Administration, a la HW Bush. If he loses...no big loss, since that makes run for Rubio and Ryan and the Young Guns."
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I don't necessarily buy into that one, simply because Mitt is such an avatar for, and charicature of, all the GOP Establishment REALLY holds dear. When Obama landslides Mitt, he won't be just landsliding Mitt, he'll be landsliding the GOP's core themes.

It would make for sense for the GOP Establishment in terms of a presumptive sacrificial lamb, to've tossed out a teabaggin'-red-religio kook like Santorum, so's when he lost, their heartfelt themes would be left standing.

Although....there IS the chance that the GOP Establishment actually echo-chambered itself into feeling that Obama-hate centered purely on economic numbers, would carry Mitt over the finish line. But in that case, they would've had to've been oblivious as to Mitt's actual provenance.
 
fairsheet said:
I realize that some on my "side" may not agree, but I remain convinced that the Republican establishment ain't stupid. I'm talking the "establishment" by the way....not Hannity, or McConnell, or Kristol, Kantor, Limbaugh, Perry and the like, but the "establishment".

So...all this Bain stuff around Mitt...and his "unsympathetic" tax situation, and those sorts of things? Well, one would be a little naive not to know that the Obama/Democrats have been sittin' on all this, for years now, and are simply "dribbling and drabbling" it out for strategic effect. But, one would ALSO be naive think the GOP establishment wasn't fully aware if it all, as well. So, what the hell were they thinking?

I think...they were couting on the Obama/Democrats bringing it all to the fore, during the GOP primary season. The were assuming that the Obama/Democrats would take care of Mitt FOR them. Give the Obama/Democrats credit, for not "shooting 'til they saw the whites of their eyes!"
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Or for at least waiting until the week of the release of the sequel to one of the biggest movie blockbusters of all time.

Where the villain happens to have a name that sounds exactly like the company Romney founded and is now trying to run away from.

How fitting considering the right used the first movie's villain against Obama.
 
Honestly, most Americans are so dumb, they won't figure out Romney. He's a snake in the grass, he plays to mainstream, he will get away with his lies the same way GWBush got away with his... and don't be too quick to count him out, remember this is the same core group of guys that carried GW for 8 years, they lie with straight faces and wave the American flag, they appeal to patriotism, ignore reality, and it works real well at the polls... and where they need a little help, they have polling machines that fix the vote.
 
fairsheet said:
I realize that some on my "side" may not agree, but I remain convinced that the Republican establishment ain't stupid. I'm talking the "establishment" by the way....not Hannity, or McConnell, or Kristol, Kantor, Limbaugh, Perry and the like, but the "establishment".

So...all this Bain stuff around Mitt...and his "unsympathetic" tax situation, and those sorts of things? Well, one would be a little naive not to know that the Obama/Democrats have been sittin' on all this, for years now, and are simply "dribbling and drabbling" it out for strategic effect. But, one would ALSO be naive think the GOP establishment wasn't fully aware if it all, as well. So, what the hell were they thinking?

I think...they were couting on the Obama/Democrats bringing it all to the fore, during the GOP primary season. The were assuming that the Obama/Democrats would take care of Mitt FOR them. Give the Obama/Democrats credit, for not "shooting 'til they saw the whites of their eyes!"
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The thing that puzzles me most, fair, is that the Repubs howl(ed) from the rooftops every conceivable insult at President Obama, since before he won in a landslide.

"He's weak". "He doesn't know what he's doing". "He's in over his head". "He's un-American". "He's going around the world apologizing" "He hates America". "He has a deep-seated hatred for white people". Those are just a few from since he was elected. I could use up all the bandwidth on the internet to name ALL the insults.

And going back to my "puzzlement", why in the world, with all this detriment that Repubs claim is true, wouldn't anybody of any strength be put forward to challenge President Obama?

Instead, we got a circus of grifting clowns that, "waiting his turn Romney" steam-rolled over. Jon Huntsman, had he got past the nut-case filled primary, probably would've been a bigger threat to President Obama. Other than him, I'm hard pressed to think of anyone on the right that could unseat him. I think, at some level, the Repubs realized the same thing.

Instead, we're being treated to the literal shredding of Mitt Romney's supposed strength. There have been reports in the news about how Repubs "put their heads together" on inauguration day, to make sure Obama only had one term. Apparently, that conversation only involved obstruction and voter suppression.

The candidate really didn't matter. Repubs just want Obama's 8 years to be over, and regroup for 2016! LOL.

And speaking of inauguration day...the Obama camp had a pretty good idea of how the Repub primaries of 2012 would play out. They've been planning on how to run against Romney for years.
 
Welcome to the New World Order... elections are rigged years in advance, behind closed doors, by the real power brokers... and no, Romney is not one of them.

would you be car girl?
because if you are, you would remember me as Dayspring.
 
Days said:
Welcome to the New World Order... elections are rigged years in advance, behind closed doors, by the real power brokers... and no, Romney is not one of them.

would you be car girl?
because if you are, you would remember me as Dayspring.
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That would be me, Days.

And of course, I remember you! One of my all-time favorite posters.
 
been ten years... I migrated over to Moneybox and then BotF, even did a couple poems over at Poems fray. I guess you stayed in the nuthouse. You are stronger than me, that's for sure.

One winter day seven years ago, a certain rabbit of faith had a winterfest poem contest, and though I didn't know how to write poetry, I popped open a post and tried to write an entry just to be part of the fun... and this is word for word, what I wrote in that post...


Snowflakes


In bits of rhythm, laced together by rushes of tethered thoughts
It fell upon my clothes, and brushed my eyelashes
Whispering thought in my ear, asking me why I care
So much, for what? The way I waste my years…
But I shrug them aside, a natural motion of pace
Moving ahead to my destiny, not straying in their
Beckons to relinquish the thoughts of the day
Tonight I'll gaze out my window and try to remember
What they told me, why I was here, what to watch for,
Why I should have strayed…
Why are they always right, when they come they cause panic
They fall into our lives, they take over our paths
Gentle, soft, but powerful, and in control of agenda and time
"Not that way!" they insist, "don't be so harsh!"
…give it time, it will carry, there's no need to rush
Remember your thoughts in your youth? The days
When cares were fleeting, when time was not the enemy?
Why do you make it a weight? Crush yourself with the lie?
Come look out at the moment, breathe the fresh humid puff
Stare at the cloud, your hot steam stirring with the cool reprise
If you rush, you will lose the chance to peer into the stillness
Steal one more invisible take of the lovely quiet,
the dream; You can't hold and can't let go
Like the quality of the misty air in front of you
Something you know so well and forget so readily
To not kill your life on the hard stuff
Return to the quiet, take back your own heart
That's what they were telling me
I hate them, they are so free to follow the wind
While I return to my room and worries of the night
 
fairsheet said:
I realize that some on my "side" may not agree, but I remain convinced that the Republican establishment ain't stupid. I'm talking the "establishment" by the way....not Hannity, or McConnell, or Kristol, Kantor, Limbaugh, Perry and the like, but the "establishment".

So...all this Bain stuff around Mitt...and his "unsympathetic" tax situation, and those sorts of things? Well, one would be a little naive not to know that the Obama/Democrats have been sittin' on all this, for years now, and are simply "dribbling and drabbling" it out for strategic effect. But, one would ALSO be naive think the GOP establishment wasn't fully aware if it all, as well. So, what the hell were they thinking?

I think...they were couting on the Obama/Democrats bringing it all to the fore, during the GOP primary season. The were assuming that the Obama/Democrats would take care of Mitt FOR them. Give the Obama/Democrats credit, for not "shooting 'til they saw the whites of their eyes!"
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Well I think that Obama did do a bit of shooting early, but mostly by feeding ammo like this to Gingrich (who did make the comment about Presidents with Swiss Bank Accounts). But mostly they were taking advantage of the infighting by building their grass roots org and doing the Oppo Research in greater depth all the while cultivating sources to feed it to.

Recently James Carville said he finally has some respect for the Obama Campaign. And by that I think he absolutely is referring to the brillaint work in keeping Romney Off Message.

Right now Romney is fighting back about his Outsourcing and whether he lied on the SEC forms. As that dies down, his refusal to provide tax returns will come up. Then his offshore accounts shenanigans.

We are at just over 14 weeks from the election. Take out 3 more weeks for the above mess to go away, And another 2 weeks of the Dem National Convention coverage, and Romney has about 10 weeks in which to TRY and reposition himself AND dig himself out of the hole he has let himself get put in. That's really hard to do.
 
trapdoor said:
Yes, the "SwiftYachting" of Romney is a tactic that is currently working.
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Well except the difference here is that Romney's OWN WORDS and writing is being used against him as opposed to 2nd hand hearsay.

I mean consider the simple question: Romney's 401k has over $2 million in it. How do you accomplish that at a 9% average market growth rate and a maximum fo $2,000 conribution every year in 30 years?
 
cgCali said:
The thing that puzzles me most, fair, is that the Repubs howl(ed) from the rooftops every conceivable insult at President Obama, since before he won in a landslide.

"He's weak". "He doesn't know what he's doing". "He's in over his head". "He's un-American". "He's going around the world apologizing" "He hates America". "He has a deep-seated hatred for white people". Those are just a few from since he was elected. I could use up all the bandwidth on the internet to name ALL the insults.

And going back to my "puzzlement", why in the world, with all this detriment that Repubs claim is true, wouldn't anybody of any strength be put forward to challenge President Obama?

Instead, we got a circus of grifting clowns that, "waiting his turn Romney" steam-rolled over. Jon Huntsman, had he got past the nut-case filled primary, probably would've been a bigger threat to President Obama. Other than him, I'm hard pressed to think of anyone on the right that could unseat him. I think, at some level, the Repubs realized the same thing.

Instead, we're being treated to the literal shredding of Mitt Romney's supposed strength. There have been reports in the news about how Repubs "put their heads together" on inauguration day, to make sure Obama only had one term. Apparently, that conversation only involved obstruction and voter suppression.

The candidate really didn't matter. Repubs just want Obama's 8 years to be over, and regroup for 2016! LOL.

And speaking of inauguration day...the Obama camp had a pretty good idea of how the Repub primaries of 2012 would play out. They've been planning on how to run against Romney for years.
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I seriously doubt that the GOP-cognescenti ever had any intentions of winning in '12. They're continuing to think in terms of a reprise of 2000, whereby Obama will have gotten the nation back on a solid foundation by '16, then they can swoop back in and steal the spoils. It's up to Obama and the Democrats to rewrite the script. They'll do it.
 
Days said:
been ten years... I migrated over to Moneybox and then BotF, even did a couple poems over at Poems fray. I guess you stayed in the nuthouse. You are stronger than me, that's for sure.

One winter day seven years ago, a certain rabbit of faith had a winterfest poem contest, and though I didn't know how to write poetry, I popped open a post and tried to write an entry just to be part of the fun... and this is word for word, what I wrote in that post...


Snowflakes


In bits of rhythm, laced together by rushes of tethered thoughts
It fell upon my clothes, and brushed my eyelashes
Whispering thought in my ear, asking me why I care
So much, for what? The way I waste my years…
But I shrug them aside, a natural motion of pace
Moving ahead to my destiny, not straying in their
Beckons to relinquish the thoughts of the day
Tonight I'll gaze out my window and try to remember
What they told me, why I was here, what to watch for,
Why I should have strayed…
Why are they always right, when they come they cause panic
They fall into our lives, they take over our paths
Gentle, soft, but powerful, and in control of agenda and time
"Not that way!" they insist, "don't be so harsh!"
…give it time, it will carry, there's no need to rush
Remember your thoughts in your youth? The days
When cares were fleeting, when time was not the enemy?
Why do you make it a weight? Crush yourself with the lie?
Come look out at the moment, breathe the fresh humid puff
Stare at the cloud, your hot steam stirring with the cool reprise
If you rush, you will lose the chance to peer into the stillness
Steal one more invisible take of the lovely quiet,
the dream; You can't hold and can't let go
Like the quality of the misty air in front of you
Something you know so well and forget so readily
To not kill your life on the hard stuff
Return to the quiet, take back your own heart
That's what they were telling me
I hate them, they are so free to follow the wind
While I return to my room and worries of the night
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Wow. That's an awesome poem, Days.

Thank your for sharing that with me. I'm going to print that.
 
The smart ones didn't run for the GOP nomination. Dumb ones,ones with nothing to lose and/or nothing to gain from waiting ran. The GOP cash cows/Wall Street GOPs picked Willard because he was the only one that's one of them.
 
well, the real poets explained to me that technically it isn't a poem, it is prose, but they allowed it anyway and I won an award... I won the "there's a first time for everything" award. My one shining moment. But yeah, I went down with the ship also, and it broke up pretty good, smite the shepherd and scatter the sheep, we'll not know what comes out of it for another decade or two, if anything. I always said, the fray is a happening, enjoy it while it lasts. Your friendship when I first appeared (my first nic was parousia, but for some reason the log-in forced me to change it, that's how I became Dayspring) your friendship made me feel welcome and that went a long way towards me staying... so I'm one of your fruit. Probably one of many.
 
Probably an accurate assessment. There will be 4 monthly job creation reports that will come out before the election and who knows what they will say. Also,the so-called "fiscal cliff" we're headed for will probably have some effect on the financial markets. Santorum was right about Willard being the worst possible Republican to carry the GOP "Obamacare" fight to the President. Looks like he's the worst possible Republican to carry the GOP tax cut fight too.
 
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