What we don't yet know about the killings in Afghanistan.

[Gramps]

Perhaps we need to take a deep breath and bide our time because there might be more to this than meets media madness.

There are supposedly witnesses who claim it was not a solo act by the suspect. Could be, in which case a lot of questions arise. If so, did the participnts strike a deal for one of them to take the fall? Could be, again.

This incident coupled with the Koran barbegue might be an angel in disguise, seeing as how we need an excuse (however weak it is) to pull stakes.

Bootlegging a suspect out of range was more common back during WWII when someone got caught in a crossfire (or so it was made to appear) and shipping them back to the states was an option to keep them from being tried by local authorities.

Based on what we actually know about the incident as opposed to what actually happened suggests we take a chill pill and stop trying to make this a campaign football to kick around in our goal to blame someone.

I am not excusing the irrational murder of civvies but until the facts are separated from the charges I favor the "innocent until proved guilty" way of doing our thing.

Gramps

Friday morning, Mar 16, 2012, 6:54 am MDT.

G.

 

[TwoWitnesses]

I favor the "innocent until proved guilty" way of doing our thing.

I don't think the Afghans feel the same way.

 

[Gramps]

I doubt they do. The long range outlook for this incident could have disasterous results in its wake. It could, in fact, change the entire perspective surrounding our purpose for being there (whatever that purpose was).

Gramps

I don't think the Afghans feel the same way.

 

[Boltlady]

Perhaps we need to take a deep breath and bide our time because there might be more to this than meets media madness.

There are supposedly witnesses who claim it was not a solo act by the suspect. Could be, in which case a lot of questions arise. If so, did the participnts strike a deal for one of them to take the fall? Could be, again.

This incident coupled with the Koran barbegue might be an angel in disguise, seeing as how we need an excuse (however weak it is) to pull stakes.

Bootlegging a suspect out of range was more common back during WWII when someone got caught in a crossfire (or so it was made to appear) and shipping them back to the states was an option to keep them from being tried by local authorities.

Based on what we actually know about the incident as opposed to what actually happened suggests we take a chill pill and stop trying to make this a campaign football to kick around in our goal to blame someone.

I am not excusing the irrational murder of civvies but until the facts are separated from the charges I favor the "innocent until proved guilty" way of doing our thing.

Gramps

Friday morning, Mar 16, 2012, 6:54 am MDT.

G.

My conspiratorial mind has been working overtime with this whole thing. If Obama were to try and just bring everybody home, he would take a lot of flak from all kinds of directions. However, if the Afghanis raise enough ruckus we might have to leave. When you put this incident together with the urinating on bodies, burning Korans and then arbitrarily killing civilians, anger from the Afghanis is pretty much a given. It could provide a means to make the side deals that we've been after all along in exchange for leaving. What if all of this has been a black ops thing all along to provide the perfect excuse for leaving?

One thing that we can be sure of is that we'll not be told the truth of it all. No, I don't have any links because this is just some thoughts that I've had on the subject. After all, we need to be able to free up a lot of troops for whatever will be coming down with Iran.

 

[Gramps]

Good morning BL. You do not need links. I, among many others, value your opinion. You are right, we will never know the real truths surrounding this but as you point it might be just what the doctor ordered as a means of leaving Afghjanistan to its own problems.

My conspiratorial mind has been working overtime with this whole thing. If Obama were to try and just bring everybody home, he would take a lot of flak from all kinds of directions. However, if the Afghanis raise enough ruckus we might have to leave. When you put this incident together with the urinating on bodies, burning Korans and then arbitrarily killing civilians, anger from the Afghanis is pretty much a given. It could provide a means to make the side deals that we've been after all along in exchange for leaving. What if all of this has been a black ops thing all along to provide the perfect excuse for leaving?

One thing that we can be sure of is that we'll not be told the truth of it all. No, I don't have any links because this is just some thoughts that I've had on the subject. After all, we need to be able to free up a lot of troops for whatever will be coming down with Iran.

 

[Queen Titania]

Perhaps we need to take a deep breath and bide our time because there might be more to this than meets media madness.

There are supposedly witnesses who claim it was not a solo act by the suspect. Could be, in which case a lot of questions arise. If so, did the participnts strike a deal for one of them to take the fall? Could be, again.

This incident coupled with the Koran barbegue might be an angel in disguise, seeing as how we need an excuse (however weak it is) to pull stakes.

Bootlegging a suspect out of range was more common back during WWII when someone got caught in a crossfire (or so it was made to appear) and shipping them back to the states was an option to keep them from being tried by local authorities.

Based on what we actually know about the incident as opposed to what actually happened suggests we take a chill pill and stop trying to make this a campaign football to kick around in our goal to blame someone.

I am not excusing the irrational murder of civvies but until the facts are separated from the charges I favor the "innocent until proved guilty" way of doing our thing.

Gramps

Friday morning, Mar 16, 2012, 6:54 am MDT.

G.

Yesterday the Afghan authorities went to the village and threw money at them. No one was killed but they were gunned out of the village by men who were surrounding the village. Why were they throwing money at dirt poor farmers who don't take money from anyone since they have to live there what good would money do them ? Plus they the Afghans on the whiole won't take money just so ............. They may kill you for it, as in they might sell you, but they don't just take money over honour etc.

I have been hearing more and more stories of these night time raids by the US and of massacres being covered up as Taliban. Though there is no doubt that villages are visited by others than the US soldiers at night most are simple dirt farmers who have decided that not having weapons in their homes is safer than having them. They are rabbits caught in the middle of a seeminly nonsensical Occupation. I say seeminly because we should also question why 'we' are realy really there too. Not for one second do I believe it was for bin Laden nor for AlQaeda nor for the sake of Democracy.

I read reuters and internaltional papers as well as my own and I go on to face book solidarity sites to hear what Arabs and Asians are saying.

It seems that the control at the Top is either totally careless or totally lax or it is complicite in these incidents.

It is always aliways 'one lone mad man' and since we don't even know his name we don't really even know if he exists...yet. The Military have given footage of a lone soldier walking up to the gates of the Base and laying down his weapon but they are refusing to give over the footage of the rest of the night and morning. And now it is all about 'poor him'. Sure if it were true poor him but I really now doubt that it is true. No matter how much money they tried to throwing at the villagers yesterday they, all but one, are still saying there were more than one soldiers and that they were abusing the women before they killed them. These sounds all too familiar to me.

It isn't a matter of putting blame on any one, for me, it is a matter of stopping it. NOW.

Obama cannot just pull out, that is just a kneejerk civillian reaction. Nor can people just run simply away from the damage they have done simply for fear of reprisals but yes It looks like the US has for sure pushed it's luck too far. The 'Party' should clean up, pack up and go home. Leaving their Opium to the Afghans.



What ever the real reasons for being in Afghanisatn the deals are simply not going to be so sweet, thats all, I think. But you won't be going home yet I bet ya not til 2014 at the earliest unless 'gunned' outta town by people without guns. There are every single day peaceful protests against the occupation of Afghanistan.

 

[zzigzzag]

It's the endless tours of duty. I can't imagine having had someone come up and tell me I had to do another tour in VN right when I thought it was over. I wasn't even a combatant and I'd have probably killed someone. What's happening to these guys is a nightmare that never ends. At what point does someone just decide there's nothing left to lose? From what I've heard, this guy was decorated and had an unblemished record before the incident....and notification that he'd be doing another combat tour after being led to believe it was finally over.